steel load 200/230 45acp or Nina

[SW CQB 45]

today I shot a match for Police and in the spirit of the event, you were suppose to shoot your duty weapon with factory ammo. no reloads were allowed.

I shot my SA MC OP with 230 remmy ball.

the match involved moving with steel and IDPA or diamond like shaped targets with ABCD score zones. I was told USPSA rules were followed.

I watch a competitor on my squad shooting 45acp 1911 removing ammo from a factory box and loading it in his mags. it appeared to be 230 ball.

However his muzzle rise or lack of was definitely different than mine.

hmmmmm, I was born at night but not last night. he was shooting reloads he stuck in a factory box. I also heard him speak of reloading.

anyway he ended up high on the food chain and 9mm won.

of the 9mm shooters, there was a lot of missing. shooting fast and missing but apparently misses are quickly made up due to quicker recovery.

I had two major mishaps that were identified as bad factory rounds or induced by me. one round would not chamber and tied up my gun for wayyyy to many seconds and the other upon a reload, the top round in the mag seized in the mag (would not move). either I inserted the mag with too much force causing the top round to wedge on the feed lips or I encounter another bad round. that one also took too much time to clear in the sense that I could not remove the mag. I was able to rip the mag out and the top round went flying and I never located it to inspect.

next year, I plan to shoot this match and I could go in two directions.....shoot my trojan Nina like everyone else or shoot 45 acp (my duty carry single stack) but with loaded down ammo.

does anyone have a good 200 or 230 load (whether lead or jacketed) thats has enough emphhhm to knock over poppers but smoothes out the recoil impulse compared to factory ball. (so I can get on the sights quicker)

I figure if they are going to not follow the spirit of the rules, I will just join them.

i wish they would make a minor and major shooter category and count for missed shots and that would even the playing field.

thanks in advance

[358156hp]

There is such a thing as 230 gr ball "Match" ammo. I used to used 185 gr Match ammo in certain matches too. The 185 Remington Match load barely allowed the slide full travel, and the empties just trickled out the ejection port.

[venomballistics]

too bad 400 corbon would be so obvious. it has plenty of hair and recovers brilliantly assuming you can hammer out its feeding issues.
this aside ... use a plated 185 or 200 grain bullet instead of a traditionally jacketed version. between the lighter bullet and the slightly lower charge weight for the same effect it will take some of the edge off the recoil and aid recovery.

[Photog]

I'm sorry, but two wrongs do not make a right. If you are going to cheat and use downloaded ammo carried in factory boxes, then I personally think you take winning much too seriously, anbd wouldn't even be a legitimate win anyway. Maybe your club should do what they do at most major events where you have to meet a certain power level to shoot. Get a chronograph, take a few random rounds out of the shooter's ammo and shoot them. If they do not meet the level that is required, the shooter is disqualified. Very simple.

[SW CQB 45]

Its the police games.

Its once a year and I usually attend.

Since its in different areas each year...its always a different host.

While I don't want to take away anything from someone who is smooth, quick and a good shooter.....

Several of us thought he was shooting 9mil based on the lack of muzzle flip.

However it was 45acp from a factory 230 fmj box.

I was shooting factory remmy 230 which was snappy.

Personally. I would like to see a major and minor catagory for those who show up with race NINA's that are not duty weapons.

I shot my duty weapon for some trigger time.

The rules are not strickly so they can get attendance. Overall I had a good time but what bothers me the most is those with the Nina's spray rounds down range and miss a lot but still score high because of speed and quick recovery.

I have made a motion for a rule change in the area of counting or penalizing for mmmisses. In the police world....misses are potential liabilities. While they agreed with my thoery, the rules have not changed.

Basically looking for a load that will hit steel stronger than 9mil but not have the muzzle flip of factory 230 mc ball.

Thanks for.looking

[H Richard]

Have everyone shoot a few rounds over a chronograph and there will be no questions. That's what is done in USPSA.

[SW CQB 45]

Originally Posted by H Richard

Have everyone shoot a few rounds ov er a chronograph and there will be no questions. That's what is done in USPSA.

While that makes a lot of sense....I am only a competitor. I am sure the event overwhelems an agency and likely there is a lot of eye closing on certain stuff.

Even the police need to be policed.

[ArchAngelCD]

Originally Posted by SW CQB 45

Basically looking for a load that will hit steel stronger than 9mil but not have the muzzle flip of factory 230 mc ball.

Thanks for.looking

My favorite .45 Auto load for range use is a 230gr LRN bullet over 5.5gr W231/HP-38 with an OAL of 1.265". BUT, even that load might be too hot for what you are looking for although it's been extremely accurate in every pistol I've shot it from.

Give that load a try and see if it's what you are looking for...

[SW CQB 45]

Thanks AACD.....I will record that load and test later.

I have 1000 PD FMJs....and test it out on them. This event isn't till next year this month....so I have plenty of time.

[ArchAngelCD]

I use the same exact charge weight of W231/HP-38 with 230gr FMJ bullets in the .45 Auto. They also shoot very well. Sometimes the OAL is slightly shorter because of the bullet profile but not usually shorter than 1.255".

[OKFC05]

You could go all the way down to a cheater load I caught in a surprise chrono check at an IDPA match.
The competitor used the 12 # recoil spring designed for a 9mm 1911, and loaded the .45 ball bullet down to a measured power factor of 86 instead of the required 165. It shot like a heavy weight .32 and barely rose in recoil.

He went into the last stage with the best CDP score, but the unexpected chrono check got him a match DQ. NIGYSOB!