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Anyone know who sells these. I'm thinking they would make a great SD load in my .45Colt Model 25
.45 wadcutters not semiwadcutters
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The .451 would work as its a modern .45LC chamber. All the 255 grain bullets I see are semiwadcutters. Thanks.
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Erich
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I got some (225-gr) from Penn in .451 - I'm sure Bob Palermo would size them however you wanted . . . but it might take a while:
I don't recall that Jessie at Tennessee Valley Bullets has these regularly, but he's a member here (NKJnut) and he's always receptive to calls with questions like this.
I don't recall that Jessie at Tennessee Valley Bullets has these regularly, but he's a member here (NKJnut) and he's always receptive to calls with questions like this.
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The old Lyman catalogs listed wadcutter bullets in both 44 and 45. I used to use the 185 gr. WC in 44 Special but sold the mold many years ago.
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I just got the .45 225gr WCs and the .44 185gr WCs from Penn Bullets.
Both were in stock when I called. Welcome To Penn Bullets INC.
Both were in stock when I called. Welcome To Penn Bullets INC.
Skip Sackett
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Bob,
That bullet would seem to give the best of both worlds. The seating depth would make them conducive to slower powders and the reduced diameter nose would allow them to chamber if seated in the crimp groove.
I have a 240gr LSWC that I push pretty hard out of my M625JM and Ruger 45 Convertible, ACP/Colt, but for short distances, I think yours would be good too.
Cool!
The Penn Thunderheads look like something I'd like.
In addition to Penn Bullets, Western Bullet Company makes 2 .45 caliber wadcutters. Lyman 454309 and Saeco 453 - both are about 230 grains and are sized .452. I've had good results with both in .45 Colt and .45 Auto Rim.
Western also makes other obsolescent bullets from discontinued molds that are tough to find elsewhere.
Western also makes other obsolescent bullets from discontinued molds that are tough to find elsewhere.
bobbyd
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45 LC Full Wadcutter Loads
OK, I've acquired some of these bullets and I think they are going to very interesting to work with...I need, however, starting load data using Unique, WW231 or ???. Can anybody help?
OK, I've acquired some of these bullets and I think they are going to very interesting to work with...I need, however, starting load data using Unique, WW231 or ???. Can anybody help?
Skip Sackett
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Going out on a limb! Don't cut it off!
OK, I am going to assume that your caliber is 45 Colt. It is in the title of your post so.......
Here is what I would do. I would take the data from any other bullet in the same weight class as a starting point. Not a starting load point, a starting point for the calculation that I am about to explain!
Take the information gathered in the research given above and see how much of the bullet in the data is in the case. That is called "seating depth", this is critical, friend. Compare that to the bullet you are going to seat. If the bullet you are going to load has more of itself in the case, then reduce the load by .2 or .3gr for every .030" that the bullet enters the case. Now, all of this depends on what powder you are going to use but with most fast powders this will work. Start low and work up WITH A CHRONOGRAPH!
If you don't have a chronograph, stop and get one. They are cheap compared to eyes, ears, noses, friends, loved ones, etc. It is the only tool we handloaders have to see what our loads are doing. Case in point: Your new wadcutter load seems a bit snappy. You go ahead and load them and continue to shoot them. One day, you do run them over a chronograph and find out they are doing 2000fps from your 4" barrel! You have been shooting them for years at that point. It might have been good to know that when you were working them up. Then, you switch to a pot metal gun. It cannot withstand your fantastic loads and blows up. Your wife is standing nearby, do I need to go on?
Another thing to do is call the powder company and see what they suggest. Ben A. from Alliant is a great guy to talk to. Hodgdon folks are only too willing to help. The Accurate Arms ballistician is/was a little hard to understand, he is of some foreign ancestry and has an accent. He will help though and is very willing to do so.
OK, I am going to assume that your caliber is 45 Colt. It is in the title of your post so.......
Here is what I would do. I would take the data from any other bullet in the same weight class as a starting point. Not a starting load point, a starting point for the calculation that I am about to explain!
Take the information gathered in the research given above and see how much of the bullet in the data is in the case. That is called "seating depth", this is critical, friend. Compare that to the bullet you are going to seat. If the bullet you are going to load has more of itself in the case, then reduce the load by .2 or .3gr for every .030" that the bullet enters the case. Now, all of this depends on what powder you are going to use but with most fast powders this will work. Start low and work up WITH A CHRONOGRAPH!
If you don't have a chronograph, stop and get one. They are cheap compared to eyes, ears, noses, friends, loved ones, etc. It is the only tool we handloaders have to see what our loads are doing. Case in point: Your new wadcutter load seems a bit snappy. You go ahead and load them and continue to shoot them. One day, you do run them over a chronograph and find out they are doing 2000fps from your 4" barrel! You have been shooting them for years at that point. It might have been good to know that when you were working them up. Then, you switch to a pot metal gun. It cannot withstand your fantastic loads and blows up. Your wife is standing nearby, do I need to go on?
Another thing to do is call the powder company and see what they suggest. Ben A. from Alliant is a great guy to talk to. Hodgdon folks are only too willing to help. The Accurate Arms ballistician is/was a little hard to understand, he is of some foreign ancestry and has an accent. He will help though and is very willing to do so.
How much do they weigh?
A chronograph is a nice tool/toy to have, but you don't need one. They give you information about external ballistics but what you need is information about the internal ballistics. The relatioinship between velocity and pressure isn't consistant, even if you are staying with the same powder.
A chronograph is a nice tool/toy to have, but you don't need one. They give you information about external ballistics but what you need is information about the internal ballistics. The relatioinship between velocity and pressure isn't consistant, even if you are staying with the same powder.
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Before you start buying lead bullets measure your throat diameters. I would want a lead bullet at least .001 over throat diameter to get a good presure seal.
And another option is to turn the bullet around backwards shooting it base first. I have done this with all my magnums at one time or another. They are plenty accurate at 15 yards.
Before you start buying lead bullets measure your throat diameters. I would want a lead bullet at least .001 over throat diameter to get a good presure seal.
And another option is to turn the bullet around backwards shooting it base first. I have done this with all my magnums at one time or another. They are plenty accurate at 15 yards.
Ummm - no. A "uniform" base is key to accuracy. Besides, the OP wanted it for a "SD" load. I'm assuming that stands for Self Defense.
David Sinko
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I have loaded a 255 gr. WC with 7.8 grs. of Vihta Vuori N320 for a pin match. I remember that it worked very well. I never did get around to chronographing it. I think it's a pretty stiff charge, but then I was using it in my Redhawk. I don't remember who made this bullet (probably Penn since I bought it locally) but it was completely flat and solid on both ends, the only difference being that one end had a crimping groove.
I'm not so sure I'd go out of my way to use this for self defense. I'd be perfectly content with a 255 gr. SWC. Either should work nicely at 900 FPS.
Dave Sinko
I'm not so sure I'd go out of my way to use this for self defense. I'd be perfectly content with a 255 gr. SWC. Either should work nicely at 900 FPS.
Dave Sinko
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Here are some .45 full wadcutters from Buffalo Bore.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=269
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=269
