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Anyone care to discuss the above? Need to invest in one of the few on the market

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Lead pistol bullets are easily 'pulled' using an inertia hammer. Almost everything else requires the 'collet' type puller mounted in a good reloading press. There are a few makers of the press mounted collet puller. I have and use both the RCBS and the CH sets. I tried and junked the Lee version.

If you are pulling military rounds be aware of the sealant used which will cause an extraordinary amount of force to be needed. That will also cause the collet to be extra tight. That will deform the bullet so as to make it unusable for most anything but 'plinker' loads. Military rounds will dictate the use of a good quality press. ...... Big Cholla
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If you're talking about handgun ammo and a few rounds here and there, a kenetic puller works usually fine. If you're dealing with rifle you might want to move on to a 'collet' style press mounted. The collet styles don't do well with lead bullets I'm told cause the squeeze them and don't get a grip.
For the kenetic ones two things to improve your results/safety. If you've crimped the rounds, use a bullet seater die to push them in a bit more and break the crimp sort of. And don't go the sloppy method of using a normal shell holder with them. If you don't use the supplied collet types holders with a kenetic and instead use a normal shell holder, you risk a potential of the round going off. Not real pleasant results that way.
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Thanks Folks, appreciate the replies..

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I've been using the same Quintetics(?) hammer puller for 25yrs. It's pulled hundreds of duds and 'dooh's.
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I use a Hornady cam-loc puller. The bullet comes out easily as long as the profile allows it to get a bite (which my bullets do). Then it is easy to dump the powder right back in the hopper, and reuse the primed brass when my Dillon delivers an upside down primer.
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Inertia bullet pullers are great, as long as the bullets have some weight to them. If you use really light bullets with a firm crimp, you might have a surprise coming. Collet pullers might work with lead, or they might draw the bullet down until it looks like a nail.
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Thanks again......don't want any surprises..I'm talking 9MM 115 gr bullet

Maybe the press mounted tool is the way to go..

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9mm, 115 gr...They should work with a kinetic puller, most auto cases have to use a taper crimp and aren't rolled into the bullet. You just have to swing them faster sometimes to get lighter bullets to pull. If you do go with the collet type make sure the bullet profile is suitable for the purpose.
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Thanks JB. The genesis of this thread is a 439 that worked flawlessly eating 115gr over 3.6 clays.
Then I added about 4 ozs of metal in the form of mount and scope to the 439 slide. OOPS..now the 439 will not eject..period.

So maybe the load is a bit light, but with 115gr, and Clays, 3.9 is the "Not to exceed load". Not even sure if a heavier load will move the slide. Which got me to Bullet pullers. And asking questions about weight on slides...

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Or a lighter recoil spring for those loads.
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w2kbr, where did you get your loading data? I'm going to guess Lees Reloading Manual. According to Hodgdons 2007 annual manual, they list the min. to max. charges for a 115 gr. Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point with Clays as 3.7gr. to 3.9gr. with a COAL of 1.125. If your OAL is 1.125 or so, or longer, I'd go ahead and shoot them.

I don't think I've ever seen a scope mounted to a slide, only to the frame. You might have to go to a heavier bullet.

A good bullet puller is still a handy item to have.

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I have a friend that is a tool maker. He thought he would be cool and make his own, out of carbon steel!

Needless to say, what something sparked, not sure what, as he pulled a bullet, he was digging metal out of his hand and leg.

Use the plastic ones. No sparks!
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Actually, the load data came from the Hodgdon web site loading data.
3.7 to 3.9 is right......but my OAL is 1.12.......and these are not HP, just jacketed RN......

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I used the same kenitic puller for about 35 years and one day it broke. So now I have an RCBS one and it works fine too. I have used it to remove bullets from military 30-06 ammo. I wack it on a piece of railroad rail.

My original (I think Lyman, but I'm not sure) one had little clips that you slipped into the extractor groove or washer like things for rimmed cases. The RCBS has a universal gripper but it does not work so well for belted magnums. It does work, but it can be tedious.
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Actually, the load data came from the Hodgdon web site loading data.
3.7 to 3.9 is right......but my OAL is 1.12.......and these are not HP, just jacketed RN......

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You're right, you might be a little too deep in the case if you seated them to about the same depth as the Gold Dots.
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Why would a rnd go off using a reg shell holder in a hammer style puller. I have an old RCBS one and there is nothing to dent the primer.Am I missing something? I usually take apart lead pistol bullets, and I whack them on a concrete bench top.
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You're right, you might be a little too deep in the case if you seated them to about the same depth as the Gold Dots.
Yep!..well I tested them today, and inspected cases after. Look OK, but I now feel the answer is to re-spring the 439, use the original 3.6 load, and unload the "hot" rounds.

And I think you mentioned the LEE book...turns out I can't find a single listing in that book for 9MM where CLAYS is the powder, for any weight bullet. Strange I thought?!?.....OTOH, CLAYS is not a powder of choice, I guess....

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Why would a rnd go off using a reg shell holder in a hammer style puller. I have an old RCBS one and there is nothing to dent the primer.Am I missing something? I usually take apart lead pistol bullets, and I whack them on a concrete bench top.
Hope there's no problem with posting a link elsewhere.
Here was the post where I first heard about it being dangerous.
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I was only guessing Lee becuase of the term "never exceed load" and their loads are a little light sometimes because they are based off of their powder handling equipment.

I checked a lot of data sources I have on hand and there is very little using Clays with a 115 gr. bullet, even if other bullet weights do in the same manual. That could be an indication it's not very well suited to to the task.
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Many years ago when I was doing much shooting and reloading, I used my RCBS 'hammer' type puller to pull a few 300 Win Mag (loaded) bullets. On one of them, upon the second strike against a concrete floor, the primer detonated precisely as the bullet and powder exited the case into the bottom of the puller. I have often thot it was due to the primer not being seated sufficiently and the inertia of striking the puller against the concrete floor both seated-and-fired the primer concommitant to the bullet/powder being released from the case.

I was using the 3-piece spring-contained shell holder supplied with the puller and have pulled bullets since without a problem.
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And don't go the sloppy method of using a normal shell holder with them. If you don't use the supplied collet types holders with a kenetic and instead use a normal shell holder, you risk a potential of the round going off. Not real pleasant results that way.

I've never heard this before.

I've been using a shellholder for as long as I've been reloading. I think that was one of the first tips I got from the old-timers over on The High Road forum.
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I've never heard this before.

I've been using a shellholder for as long as I've been reloading. I think that was one of the first tips I got from the old-timers over on The High Road forum.
What's your point, go read the link. It may change your mind on the safety of doing it that way. Your choice.
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PDL, I read the link and I don't think it happened the way the poster suggests. At least not based only on the facts he presented.

The crescent shape on the firing pin doesn't match up with the shape of the shellholder. And with it not being seated all the way, it would actually be harder to set off without first driving it in. Which could have happened on the first two blows. Also, if the primer had gone off while the case was in the hammer, the bullet would have either stayed in it, or done some damage as it bouned back out with enough force to make a dent in the ceiling. The case rupturing would be expected and the cap would probably blow off, especially if the pressure couldn't escape around the shellholder fast enough.

I'm not disagreeing with you, or him, I just think it needs more investigation.
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AS one who is and was interested in Bullet pulling tools in the first instance, I have read all these posts and the link to the fellow who initiated the referenced "accident". He apparently was using a shell holder. KEWPIE, a few posts back, relates his experience with a "fire", and he was using the hammers supplied shell holder. Both this guys had a "fire".
As one who was looking to buy a bullet puller, those two instances is more than food for thought.
No matter which way you go, there is a distinct possibilty of a "Fire" trying to unload with a hammer.

Thanks for all the posts and also the link to the other forum.
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JB,
No harm, no foul. I was just passing on a bit of a safety concern I'd come acoss.
Me I use the collets the puller came with. I haven't had that many to un-make or I might have gone with the oldster's tip as well.
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W2KBR,
I think the main thing in all this is to try to be as safe as you can, which I'm sure you'd normally do anyway. Kenetic pullers have been in use safely and productively for ages.

Safety glasses with most reloading tasks shouldn't be an option, you never can tell what will happen.
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PDL, I've always used the supplied collet too, and like you I try to be very careful the first time. In fact, I don't even know if mine will hold a regular shellholder.

But I'd sure like to know what caused the KB in the link, because I still like to load once in awhile.
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I've used the reloading shellholder for years in my RCBS without any problem. Of course, the next time I try it, something may go KB, but I've pulled an awful lot of bullets with mine.

Concerning military ammo with lacaquered sealant giving hard pulls; it helps to put them in a bullet seating die and break the sealant contact. They come out a lot easier that way..
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I've been using the same Quintetics(?) hammer puller for 25yrs. It's pulled hundreds of duds and 'dooh's.
Mine is 30 years old and only had to replace the wire and the collect, due to it being lost during a move..
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