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Old 09-03-2011, 12:05 PM
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I'm looking at the Lee turret presses, and need some help understanding the differences, pros and cons, etc.. The prices are Midway's.

The Lee 4 Hole Turret Press w/Auto Index sells for $76. It has the Auto Index feature as well as built in primer collection.

The Lee Classic 4 Hole press has neither of the above features, and sells for $105.

I'm not familiar with the Lee program. In the past I've owned RCBS and Dillon, and currently have a Hornady LNL progresssive and Hornady classic single stage. Please don't ask why I "need" another press.

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I have owned both the regular turret and the classic turret. I believe the classic turret also comes with auto-index, mine did. Definitely spend the extra money for the classic turret. It's that much better. Both will provide lots of ammo for regular shooting, but they are not in the same league as a true progressive.
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This is the one you want. The Classic. It is cast iron, the other is not, Yes it does auto index. It is much heavier duty.

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They both have auto index, the classic also has the primer collection system. The classic is the way to go. I have both.
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classic is steel arm and the only one to get....good starter press
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Still using mine. Adding all the extras to it makes it even better. I have a love hate thing with the Pro Auto Disk. When you find a hole in the disk that works for you then it's great. If not you can try the Charge Bar. If still no... Well... I was trying to figure a way to mount the Uniflow and not have an expensive hodge podge. Or I can mount it and throw the arm each time... And risk missing one. No, for now the setup is as good as it gets.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:39 AM
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Lee's names are pretty confusing. The original is the Lee Turret. It is a cast aluminum base with cast lever and some other parts. It started as a three hole turret, then you could buy a kit to update it to a four hole turret. Not sure if it was originally auto-indexing or if that was an update.

The Lee Classic Turret is the newer model. It is made of cast iron, uses a 4 hole turret and comes with auto-indexing, and the hole down the center of the ram to catch spent primers as they are ejected. It is a VERY good press and works extremely well with the primer system and the PRO Auto Disk (not to be confused with the Auto Disk.)

The LCT is frequently on sale, and IIRC is right now at Cabelas. If you need all the stuff I believe Wiedners has, or will make up a package with everything you need. I would highly recommend that as a basic purchase you would need the LCT, priming system, Pro Auto Disk, a turret for each set of dies you are going to use, and a couple of the adjustable charge bars for the Pro Auto Disk.

After being out of reloading for about 40 years, the auto-indexing turret was a complete mystery to me. I am an accountant and not really mechanically inclined, however, I am used to reading and following instructions. I had no concept of how the Pro Auto Disk, or the priming system worked. After a short time of looking and tinkering I got everything to working. The whole system works marvelously.

It will not form cases, or, turn out 500 rounds an hour, but for normal use it will produce all the quality ammo you need at a very reasonable equipment cost. If you want to form cases you need a heavy duty single stage. If you need lots of ammo you need a progressive.
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Well said.
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Lee Classic Turret gets 100 votes from me...if that's even possible!
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:28 AM
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I agree, the Lee turret press is handy. I have one along with a Hornandy LNL progressive and RCBS rockchucker I bought used for $25. The Lee turret press is an older model but works. I use it for various tasks. I took out the auto indexing because you could not use it for rifle calibers. I sure wish I had the primer catcher on it though.
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I bought my Lee 3 hole turrent press from these people F & M Reloading Equipment Inc.: Semi Progressive Presses around 20 years ago, and have loaded thousands of rounds (9mm,38/357, 45acp, and 44special/magnums) and still working perfect with the original nylon hex washer. Mine did come with 2 extra hanging on the machine, but both still hanging there.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:37 PM
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Check with Kempf's for some good kits. They make their own kits and include only what you are likely to need and not a bunch of other junk.
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I have an old Lyman Orange Crusher single stage press and a nearly new Lee turret press with auto indexing and quick change 4 hole interchangeable turrets. I use the Lyman single stage for rifle and the Lee for handgun. Once the turret is set up you can switch between calibers by swapping out the turret. If you change bullets you'll likely have to adjust the bullet seating die but everything else is ready. You can use the press similar to a single stage and perform only resizing on all cases by not fully raising the press handle. If you run each case through the turret cycle you need to add powder when the case is belled, either through a funnel or an installed auto index powder measure. The Lee press is a very well made press for the money.
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Another vote for the classic. It has a cast iron base casting vs aluminum for the standard turret. It also has beefier linkage.

I would also add to get an autodrum powder measure. I have both the autodisc pro and the autodrum. The newer autodrum is infinitely adjustable, the autodisc has preset discs. Often the charge you want is in between the preset holes in the discs. I also got the small adjustable charge bar for the autodrum, and found it to have too much variation in drop weights. The autodrum drops more accurately IMO than the autodisc. I feel it is also smoother in operation than the autodisc.

And yes the classic definitely has auto indexing, and the through the ram spent primer system. You can either let the primers collect in the tube and periodically empty the tube, or run the tube into a container for easy disposal. There is no way for this system to spit spent primers on the floor, unless you leave the tube off, or run the tube without the cap or container under it.
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As someone who previously had no reloading experience and no one to show me how to get set up I did lots of reading, scouring of the internet, and YouTube to get me off and running on my Lee Classic Turret press. I'm now loading 9mm, .357/.38SPL, 40 S&W, .45ACP and .300 Blackout.

If you plan on loading a lot of pistol calibers I highly recommend the Adjustable Charge Bar. It gives you more fine control and consistency over your powder drops than the disks, assuming you run the Pro Auto Disk kit, or as mentioned above the newer Auto Drum which I'm sure is a great product. I have probably had good luck with the Pro Auto Disk and Adjustable Charge Bar because I use spherical powders that meter really well. Lastly, some complain about the Lee Safety Primer system but I have had good luck with it. It just takes figuring out the right touch I guess.

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It will not form cases, or, turn out 500 rounds an hour, but for normal use it will produce all the quality ammo you need at a very reasonable equipment cost. If you want to form cases you need a heavy duty single stage. If you need lots of ammo you need a progressive.
I make .401sl out of 7.62x39 on my LCT. It works great and it's got a lot of mileage on it with no issues. I also load 500S&W and do a lot of bullet sizing. There's enough headroom to load 30-06 if you want to. Very versatile.

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I still have my original Lee 3 hole turret press and it still works as it should. I upgraded to the Lee Classic Cast 4 hole turret and haven't looked back! The diameter of the ram, the linkage, the sturdiness of the press itself is all quality. I didn't think I needed the 4 die sets, until I used them; the consistency is amazing when seating and crimping in separate operations. My finished rounds seldom vary more than +/- .002 in C.O.L.

For the difference in price, the Lee Classic Turret is the way to go!
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Check Amazon. They have a classic kit for $232.95 that includes almost everything except dies. The kit comes with the auto-drum powder measure rather than the auto-disk.
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Historians tell us that Beethoven, Bach and Seals & Crofts all used the cast iron base Lee turret press. Since that discovery, that model press has been referred to as the "Lee Classic Turret" or simply the "LCT". Some however have given theirs the nickname "Cyclops".
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I have owned both the regular turret and the classic turret. I believe the classic turret also comes with auto-index, mine did. Definitely spend the extra money for the classic turret. It's that much better. Both will provide lots of ammo for regular shooting, but they are not in the same league as a true progressive.
Over 5 years later I'm still using my Lee Classic Turret and could not be happier!
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Check out Titan Reloading, the are a Lee dealer, they carry all things LEE and there prices are lower the any of the other online sellers.
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Sometimes Amazon is cheaper, especially if you have prime and get "free" shipping.

You just have to check out a couple sources and figure which will get you the best deal. Often it's toss a coin.
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I have the Lee Classic Turret and a old Hornady single stage press. The Lee works well, but mine will spit old primers on occasion. Don't know why. I bought separate items with the press that don't work very well. The safety primer, I gave it away. The Auto Disc powder measure leaks powder everywhere. I prime off press with the old Lee hand primer.

I like the LCT, but use other brands of accessories.

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I too have a LCCT. It is an ok press. The primer thing is kinda crappy piece of plastic... and the powder disc measure usually works ok. But I'm not in love with it. Since I have other Turret presses I will probably sell the LCCT. Only thing I load on it is 44 Special and 45 Colt. The press isn't bad but in my opinion the other items in the package are kinda like a Grock...Tupperware! Which surprisingly still works. I put different lock nuts on the dies and they stayed where they should have and the Lee FCD once set seemed to work well. Same with the 45 Colt. I found a Dillon 450(new )I bought many years ago that I was going to set up in 45C...but have decided to sell it also and buy another 650 to use for those cals. Or just use a T-7 to load them. I have real powder measures that I can use on it, too. Not dissing the press as it works ok. Just used to good reloading equipment that my somewhat dyslexic brain doesn't mess up on. I can't use a Mec 650 either.

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Given the design of the press, I don't see how that is possible. The ram is hollow and the decapper pin pushes it straight into the hollow ram. It has nowhere to go but down the inside of the ram and into the tube attached to it.
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I have used the 4 hole Classic press for years. It runs great! I did away with the gizmo that turns the turrent and also the primer do hockey thingie. I turn the turrent manually and use the Lee auto bench primer to prime cases (this is an awesome primer seater). My press ejects spent primers to a long tube that hangs under the press. A friend bought a new press and it dumps the spent primers underneath the press(?), I don't like that. Also Lee dies are excellent.
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Cons; the Lee Haters that will tell your your choice of Lee is junk.
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Given the design of the press, I don't see how that is possible. The ram is hollow and the decapper pin pushes it straight into the hollow ram. It has nowhere to go but down the inside of the ram and into the tube attached to it.
When they get dirty the primer arm will hang up in the ram and kick old primers out to the floor
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When they get dirty the primer arm will hang up in the ram and kick old primers out to the floor
OK, I guess I can see how that could happen. Never seen it happen on mine. Pretty simple fix, I would imagine.
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OK, I guess I can see how that could happen. Never seen it happen on mine. Pretty simple fix, I would imagine.
Yep, easy fix. I normally don't allow my tools/equipment to get so dirty that the function is impeded...
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OK, I guess I can see how that could happen. Never seen it happen on mine. Pretty simple fix, I would imagine.
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Still using mine. Adding all the extras to it makes it even better. I have a love hate thing with the Pro Auto Disk. When you find a hole in the disk that works for you then it's great. If not you can try the Charge Bar. If still no... Well... I was trying to figure a way to mount the Uniflow and not have an expensive hodge podge. Or I can mount it and throw the arm each time... And risk missing one. No, for now the setup is as good as it gets.
As an about five year later update to what I said before, I'm still STILL using mine. Also, I found that adding the Double Disk kit fixed my issue with the Pro Auto. Being able to stack the disks has always allowed me to get very close to what I'm looking for and the cavity never altering is better than the Uniflow that has slightly backed out on me and the Hornady powder measure that did the exact same thing.

On a side note, I've bought Lee's newer measure that is now coming in the Classic Turret kit rather than the Pro Auto and I do NOT like it one bit. Mine does not like to drop small powder charges with Bullseye for 9mm loads and that's pretty much a bread and butter common load. This is something the Pro Auto handles like a champ.
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