any one loading ACP heavy bullets with Tite group? I have not been able to find any published data.

I have more Tite Group and want to use it, if it will do the job.

I am using resized .454 to .452 Remington 250 Gr LRN into +P new hulls.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Go to the Hodgdon's website and look at their reloading Manual online. It is free and downloadable and customizable.

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I have a tale of caution for you using TiteGroup with lead bullets.

I first tried TiteGroup to load .38 Special and .45 ACP Berry's Plated bullets on the recommendation of a friend. The powder worked great with the plated bullets and burned much cleaner than my old favorite Unique. Next, I began converting all my .38 Special, .44 Special and .45 ACP cast lead SWC loads from Unique or Bullseye to TiteGroup. I use Missouri cast bullets and had excellent results with them using my two old powders. Minimal leading and great accuracy.

Switching to TiteGroup, I noticed somewhat less smoke and less soot. The loads were all similar in accuracy to my old Unique/Bullseye loads so I though everything was great and loaded larger quantities for my usual 100 to 150 rounds per gun, per range trip shooting. Well shot about 100 rounds of the cast bullet 45's out of my 22-4 and another 100 out of my Springfield RO. I was shocked when I went to clean them. Heavy, nasty leading from mid-barrel to the muzzle on both guns.

Next range outing, I shot two different .38's with the same results-terrible leading. Thinking I had a bad batch of bullets, I pulled out a stock of very good old Penn Cast 158 bullets and loaded 100 of them. Same results with the TiteGroup. Then I finally did some digging on the Internet and found some serious gripes about leading with TiteGroup. Seems the powder has an extremely high flame temperature which aids in clean burning but can apparently cause lead bullets to leave major deposits.

I switched back to my old Unique loads using the same batches of Missouri bullets in .38 and .45. Fired 200 rounds of 45 out of the 22-4 and had only a tiny bit of lead in the forcing cone. Same with 200 plus rounds out of my 67-6 .38.

I'm using up my TiteGroup on Plated or JHP bullets only, and when it is gone, I'm done with it.

I load a 250 swc with 4.0 of titegroup. I have done 4.5 too but it is a +P. my guns see 99% lead and do sometimes get leading but I shoot a lot. I use a electronic Outers lead remover when needed.

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Could the leading be caused by the bullets rather than the powder? Yes.

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hodgdon does not list data for any heavier than 230 so the usual sources wont help ... manuals aside, the rest of the sources are at your own risk

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Unless you have pressure equip, you have no idea how close or how far over pressure you are using an uberfast powder off the books.
IMO, if you want to exp w/ heavy bullets in the 45ac, TG is NOT the powder of choice. As with most uberfast pwoders, the pressures do NOT build in a linear fashion once you get to max. The pressure curve goes vertical. So going to a heavier for caliber bullet only makes that pressure curve steeper. No thanks. Unique or slower for playing w/ 250gr bullets in the small 45acp case.

I agree, but, a 230 goes to 4.9 in acp.
A 250 SWC in colt goes to 6.2 for low pressure guns.
The 625 is often made into a 460 Roland so the platform is strong.

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Warren

that being the case, feed it like a Rowland with slower powders and make use of that strength.
just make use of a good quality enamel paint on the slugs to make sure they can be identified before accidently getting thumbed into the mag of your bottom feeder once you let out the horsepower and deviate from the standards.

the stock of TG might be better spent behind a 200 or 230 grain slug within standards to support a good blastathon with the friends and dedicate the 250G load endeavor to a proper addition to the ammo special collection

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You are right. I was just answering OP question.

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The only published data I have seen is in the Oregon Trail laser cast loading manual. They have a USPSA major load for the lead 250 grain lead cast bullet and Titegroup.

Again, yo ucan not extrapolate pressrues, espesially between a 45acp & 45colt case. Pressures w/ uberfast powders DO NOT build in a linear fashion as the volue shrinks & pressures increase. A 250gr bullet in the 45acp is not just a little bit bigger, especially using TG.

Midway has a loading manual with tested pressure data for 45acp and 250 gr bullets, however Tightgroup was not used in my manual. Many others are avail. I did test 4gr TG in AR brass with no pressure signs.

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