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I just bought this pistol, any info about reloading it would greatly be appreciated, thanks to all, it is a 8 3/4'' very excited about shooting this fine firearm, but I really don't know a lot about reloading for it, I will be useing a single stage press, aRCBS, Do I need to crimp the cartridge? looks like H110 is powder of choice??? Help!!!! thanks again
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Heavy crimp, loggy. H110 is my choice, and lots of it. Check a few data sources, I like Hodgdons Data site, also Hornady since I usually load their XTP bullets. If you haven't fired it yet, be prepared - that is one POWERFUL round, downright deafening.
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Heavy crimp, loggy. H110 is my choice, and lots of it. Check a few data sources, I like Hodgdons Data site, also Hornady since I usually load their XTP bullets. If you haven't fired it yet, be prepared - that is one POWERFUL round, downright deafening.
Thanks, this is what I was needing to know, I will be shooting 240 XTP or 200 XTP, no I have not shot it as of yet, I will pick it up on monday, a little nervios about it though, I have a friend that has one, he says the same thing as you do,,guess I will be ready, thanks again
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I have been shooting and reloading with my 460 for a long time and can agree with the muzzle blast.....ive been told to stay away from LIL GUN powder.....it increases top strap flame cutting......and been told the Hornady 200gn factory ammo is tuff on top straps as well. Ive got about every powder and multiple bullets, if your not sure about your crimp do not load up a full cylinder and shoot.....this gun will find a poor crimp and lock your cylinder up............my suggestion is to load 45 colt and 454 casull before you step up to the 460 loads......even a soft load is a very stout load. Ive been told 46 grains of H110 and a the 240gn bullets is a tight grouped load.....the loads calls for between 41-49.5 grains of H110...............after you shoot the 41 grain loads I doubt you will want to shoot the 49 grain loads. I have loaded rounds with gun that were within spec. and still locked my gun up and left the hammer in the cocked position after firing, I had to beat the cylinder open after....although the gun still functions great and is a blast to shoot.
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If you have not bought components yet, I have a few suggestions. Starline Brass, H110/W296 and IMR4227 powders and either the Hornady 240 gr or 300 gr XTP-Mag bullets or Speer's 300gr Deep Curls. Seat and crimp in two steps and flare the brass only enough to get the bullet started. RCBS gives a good description of how to crimp for the heavy boomers with their die instructions. Stay away from bullets designed for .45LC unless you are loading them at .45LC velocities. .452 diameter bullets tend to have more neck tension in my cases and thus are less susceptible to bullet jump. My .460 has tight throats and as such, the Hodgdon web site load recipes are a tad hot. I tend to like the Hornady manual better and find their middle of the road recipes work well. I also have found IMR4227 to be a tad more accurate in my X-Frame and much less temperature sensitive. It does not give me the velocities of H110/W296, but I've found max velocities are not really needed with the .460. Flattened primers mean nuttin' in the .460, but if you find yourself pushing cases out with a dowel, you need to back down.
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If you have not bought components yet, I have a few suggestions. Starline Brass, H110/W296 and IMR4227 powders and either the Hornady 240 gr or 300 gr XTP-Mag bullets or Speer's 300gr Deep Curls. Seat and crimp in two steps and flare the brass only enough to get the bullet started. RCBS gives a good description of how to crimp for the heavy boomers with their die instructions. Stay away from bullets designed for .45LC unless you are loading them at .45LC velocities. .452 diameter bullets tend to have more neck tension in my cases and thus are less susceptible to bullet jump. My .460 has tight throats and as such, the Hodgdon web site load recipes are a tad hot. I tend to like the Hornady manual better and find their middle of the road recipes work well. I also have found IMR4227 to be a tad more accurate in my X-Frame and much less temperature sensitive. It does not give me the velocities of H110/W296, but I've found max velocities are not really needed with the .460. Flattened primers mean nuttin' in the .460, but if you find yourself pushing cases out with a dowel, you need to back down.
I may have bit off more than I can chew with this gun, I have been loading for many years, so I understand what you are saying, with that being said, this may be more than I want, thanks to all that answered my qustions.
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This gun is a reloaders dream being that it shoots 3 calibers, shoot .45colt if you dont want to be punished. I bought it for long range shots at deer in shot-gun only hunting zones, Michigan allows handguns in shotgun areas as long as the cases are straight, and man does this gun fit the bill
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This gun is a reloaders dream being that it shoots 3 calibers, shoot .45colt if you dont want to be punished. I bought it for long range shots at deer in shot-gun only hunting zones, Michigan allows handguns in shotgun areas as long as the cases are straight, and man does this gun fit the bill
I think that I will start with factory ammo, then go from there, I would like it for deer and other things such as coyotes, I will start with hornady 200gr and hope that work before I get the dies and things to load for it, I really appreciate your help
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So far, I've put less than 100 rounds of Hornady, factory stuff through mine, and it shows some flame cutting.
One of these days, I plan to put together some light, target loads, with Trailboss.
A friend of mine is talking about doing a hog hunt this spring. I have a pile of Barnes 275 grain, XPB bullets that I think will be just the ticket, but, load data for that bullet is pretty slim.

If you've never shot a .460 before, be careful where ALL of your fingers and thumbs are. The blast that comes out of the REAR cylinder gap will take off the end of your thumb, if your thumb is too high! Lucky for me, I have short fingers, and it only tore the end of my deerskin glove apart!
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I am curious if you have had any luck finding load info for the 275gr Barnes. I found very little on their site but that is it. They use AA#9 which I have. I contacted Hodgdon about the 275gr Barnes and they couldn't provide me with any load info. I am also looking for info using the 300gr Deep Curls if anyone uses those or knows where to find info on this.
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Loading for the 460 is not much differnt than any of the other pistol cartridges. As stated above a good crimp is nessecary to prevent bullet jump and cyclinder lock up. Just compare your crimp with one from a factory reload.

H110 is the most commonly used powder and produces good results with all the bullets I have used to date. Note as stated do not load below 3% of max with H110 as it performs poorly below this point and becomes very dirty.

A9, 2400, IMR4227 all produce shootable accurate rounds.

I no longer shoot casull or colt through my guns as you can load the same bullet to the same performance level in the 460 brass and save yorself all the cleaning and will have improved accuracy- the colt has a half inch jump to the forcing cone.

The hornady XTP bullets shoot poorly when driven to 460 S&W velocities- use the XTP MAG or dont drive them faster than 1400 fps

All the Barnes bullets have produced (200, 225, 250, 275, and the 325 Buster) have shoot well from my guns.

The speer bullet 300 performed on par with the 300 Hornady 300 XTP MAG on paper

I have taken a number of animals from pigs to Bison with the 460.

It's a great cartridge and revolver- Have fun.

There are several threads on this forum with more load data and information.
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I am curious if you have had any luck finding load info for the 275gr Barnes. I found very little on their site but that is it. They use AA#9 which I have. I contacted Hodgdon about the 275gr Barnes and they couldn't provide me with any load info. I am also looking for info using the 300gr Deep Curls if anyone uses those or knows where to find info on this.
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There is info in Lyman's 49th for the 275 gr Barnes. Speer #14 shows 34 to 38 gr of H110/W296, 33 to 35 gr of AA#9 and 38 to 40C gr of IMR4227 for use with the 300 gr GD/Deep Curl. They use a standard LR primer with all loads. I've never used AA#9, but my X-Frame likes 37.5 of H110/W296 or better yet, 38.5 gr of IMR4227. LR Magnum primers light the H110/W296 and standard LR primers light the 4227.
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Accurate Arms load data doesn't make sense to me. They say 31.5-35 grains of AA#9 behind a Nosler 260 grain partition, but,34.2-38 grains of AA#9 behind a Barnes 275 grain XPB.
The XPB is a longer bullet, and seats quite a bit deeper than the Nosler partition, and in my experience, less case capacity means higher pressures, not to mention that the Barnes bullet is 15 grains heavier.
I loaded some partitions at 31.5, and some Barnes at 34.5. With both loads I needed to use a brass rod to tap the empty cases out of the revolver, and both loads chronoed about 1,850.
I emailed AA, and Barnes, and only got a response from AA, which said they didn't recommend going below 34.2 with the Barnes 275, but, I'm going to try some at 33 grains of #9, even though I THINK I SHOULD be able to drop to as low as 30 without any issues.
Accuracy wasn't outstanding with either load. The Barnes shot about a 2" group, and the partitions was more like 5". Accuracy testing was only at 75 yards, whereas the Hornady factory loads group about an inch at 100 yards.
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If you have not bought components yet, I have a few suggestions. Starline Brass, H110/W296 and IMR4227 powders and either the Hornady 240 gr or 300 gr XTP-Mag bullets or Speer's 300gr Deep Curls. Seat and crimp in two steps and flare the brass only enough to get the bullet started. RCBS gives a good description of how to crimp for the heavy boomers with their die instructions. Stay away from bullets designed for .45LC unless you are loading them at .45LC velocities. .452 diameter bullets tend to have more neck tension in my cases and thus are less susceptible to bullet jump. My .460 has tight throats and as such, the Hodgdon web site load recipes are a tad hot. I tend to like the Hornady manual better and find their middle of the road recipes work well. I also have found IMR4227 to be a tad more accurate in my X-Frame and much less temperature sensitive. It does not give me the velocities of H110/W296, but I've found max velocities are not really needed with the .460. Flattened primers mean nuttin' in the .460, but if you find yourself pushing cases out with a dowel, you need to back down.
I think I may be in the same boat....

I can push 240gr XTP Mags at .5gr below max charge listed by Hodgdon and have no trouble with extraction.

But a charge .5gr below max as listed by Hodgdon pushing the 300gr XTP Mag gives me a situation where I have to push them out one at time with a pen or something. I don't have to tap them out, they will push out but do drag kind of firmly. I just can't push all the empties out simultaneously with the extractor.

Question on that though: I find that I have to apply case lube every other case when sizing. And thus far I have forgotten to clean the lube off the cases when I finish reloading my 460 rounds. Will case lube left on the cartridges cause sticky extraction????
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Even though AA wouldn't recommend going below 34.2 grains of #9, I loaded some with 30 grains. The 5 that I shot averaged 1784fps, and dropped out of the cylinder like the Hornady, factory loads.
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I found in my 460 that the 2400 was a good powder. The 240 gr Hornady was harder to find a good load for. The 200 gr FTX likes the 2400. And so does the 240 gr. I ended up using 4227 for the 300 gr Honady. H110 just didn't seem to do it for me. The leather sand bag took a beating from the cylinder blast and cut through it. I also blew my front sand bag apart with muzzle blast when I got too far back. I am using the 12" version. I would post pics but can't get them to show up using photobucket.

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