Where to find #429421

[Jimmymac46]

I haven't been in the reloading forum for some time, so this may have been asked recently. I am on my last box of 500 hard cast 44 caliber #429421 bullets. It is of course the Keith designed bullet. I bought them in bulk many years ago and the garage caster has retired. I wish to continue using this bullet in all my 44 caliber applications, both magnum and special. Can anyone advise me where I might find that exact bullet? Mine were all sized .430 and have worked perfectly in all my revolvers from various manufacturers. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[HAWKEYE10]

You might find them here at Missouri Bullet. I have bought from them and they are good people. Don

Missouri Bullet Company

[dg101win]

Try Magnus MAGNUS BULLETS
Midsouth also handles their brand.

[Rule3]

Originally Posted by HAWKEYE10

You might find them here at Missouri Bullet. I have bought from them and they are good people. Don

Missouri Bullet Company

+1 on MBC, your order will be at your door in a few days!

[cjw3]

The .44 SWC bullets for sale by Magnus, Missouri Bullet and most others are bevel base. 429421 is a flat base design. Bevel base bullets will tend to lead more than FB style bullets under some circumstances and I have found that .44's seem more susceptible to this than the the same style bullets in .38/.357.

Most of the BB designs also have a much narrower front driving band than Keith's bullet, as well as a shallower and rounded grease groove.

I got my last batch of Keith 250 grain bullets from Leadheads and they can be obtained in .430 or .431. These are hard and work well with heavy loads, but are pricey for general use.

It would appear that Rim Rock has the same bullet and it can also be provided in .430 and .431. They are not as hard and should be better for all round use. They are priced very competitively with the BB designs available elsewhere and my next order will be from them.

[Rule3]

Technically a 429421 would be .429 in diameter.

http://www.sixguns.com/crew/theme.htm

[dg101win]

The Magnus Keith Style is a 250 gr. flat base design. Their item# is 709.

[Boxhead]

I have gone to the Montana Bullet Works for all my cast bullets. They have the one you want though I use the RCBS 82080 they cast. It has a little larger meplat and a little longer nose. These are very fine hand cast bullets. They will size and harden, air dried or dropped, as desired. Should run ~$100/500.

[Dashriprock]

Exactly why I bought a mould and started making my own.

[rkrcpa]

Originally Posted by Boxhead

I have gone to the Montana Bullet Works for all my cast bullets. They have the one you want though I use the RCBS 82080 they cast. It has a little larger meplat and a little longer nose. These are very fine hand cast bullets. They will size and harden, air dried or dropped, as desired. Should run ~$100/500.

I'll second this. I get all me Keith bullets here.

[ChuckS1]

Originally Posted by rkrcpa

I'll second this. I get all me Keith bullets here.

Quality hand-cast bullets for reloaders, competitors, and recreational shooters - 44 Mag Pistol Bullets - Price List

[Black_Talon]

I get my 429421's from Montana Bullet Works too. He makes a beautiful bullet, but you're also paying for it. Western Bullets also sells a 429421 for about half the price of MBW, but I've never used any so I can't comment of the quality/performance.

[Nick B]

Originally Posted by ChuckS1

Quality hand-cast bullets for reloaders, competitors, and recreational shooters - 44 Mag Pistol Bullets - Price List

Kind of pricey. Hornady XTP's are cheaper .

[jimkim]

If they had kept the 429241 design constant instead of monkeying with it this would be simple. If you really like the ones you have been using, you might want to compare them to the ones from the links. If you want a bullet that is pretty close to the original Keith bullet, the RCBS or H&G moulds would probably be closer to Elmer's design. Chapter 12 - The Keith Semiwadcutter (SWC) Cast Bullet Guide for Handgunners - Glen E. Fryxell

[440turner]

gunbroker.com, that is a very common bullet profile.......$16/100 shipped to my door.....I have no concern on hardness, I hunt with JHP,s

[Forrest r]

Those prices remind me why I cast my own. 1100 429421 bullets that I cast in 3 1/2 hours.

[Nick B]

Originally Posted by Forrest r

Those prices remind me why I cast my own. 1100 429421 bullets that I cast in 3 1/2 hours.

You must of used a 4 cavity mould to get that many in 3 1/2 hours .

[Forrest r]

I try to use 4 & 6 cavity molds for everything that I cast. Sometimes it’s hard to find the molds & other times I just don’t shoot enough of a particular bullet to warrant the use of anything more than 1 or 2 cavity molds.

Like others have already stated, you want to look for bullets with equal drive bands on the 429421 bullets. Some bullet makers use molds that have a small drive band in the front & accuracy suffers. The larger/longer front drive band extends further in the cylinder (cylinders are tapered) creating a better/tighter fit. Less side to side movement= better accuracy. Here’s a picture of the 429421’s that I cast with equal drive bands.



The other benefit of casting your own bullets is the bullet lube used on the bullets itself. Most commercial casts use a hard lube that works extremely well for shipping the bullets (doesn’t fall out or stick to other bullets). The lube they use is designed for fast full house loads but it may not be the best lube for your needs. The accuracy of slower/lighter loads can suffer sometimes when using a hard lube. Bullet lube is there to stop leading but it also acts like a gasket & aids in sealing the bore. Another bullet that I cast for the 44’s, this bullet (429348) I use exclusively in my target model 6 ½” barreled 624.



Why I’m showing you these 2 different bullets is because of the different lubes being used on them. The 245g 429421’s (red) lube has done well giving me multiple accurate loads in 2 different pistols with speeds from 900fps to 1300fps. The 180g 429348’s (black) lube is a softer/lighter lube that took the excellent groups the red lube had produced with the 180g WC & tightened them up even more (775fps).

[Shuz]

I have several copies of Lyman's 429421,all made by Lyman! Some have small,(narrow) front driving bands, some have wide FDB's and some have round grease grooves and some have square grease grooves. I have not found a significant difference in accuracy at 25 yds among them. All have shot 5 shot one hole groups if I do my part.

[Nick B]

I had a Lyman 4 cavity 429421 mould that would drop 245 grain bullets at .431 in diameter . Like a dummy I sold it .
Also on lubes. The very best lube out there is the blue lube made by Veral Smith of LBT ( Lead Bullet Technologies . )

[Jimmymac46]

Thanks for all the source information on the excellent #429421. Ask and you shall receive. More evidence that this is the best forum on the web.

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by Jimmymac46

Thanks for all the source information on the excellent #429421. Ask and you shall receive. More evidence that this is the best forum on the web.

Have you ever considered casting your own? Maybe your retired caster will loan you his mould or sell it to you.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by Rule3

+1 on MBC, your order will be at your door in a few days!

MB doesn't offer the :Lyman #429421. Try MOntana BW, only guy I know making them. Quality hand-cast bullets for reloaders, competitors, and recreational shooters - 44 Mag Pistol Bullets - Price List The RCBS is very close design BTW. I cast both for my own shooting, they both shoot great. My 44mags never see jacketed bullets, no point really. You can drive a good cast bullet to any reasonable vel you can a jacketed one. Even LHP work as well as JHP for hunting lighter big game.

[CWH44300]

Has anyone tried Rim Rock bullets? I used to use leadheads but am thinking of trying the Rim Rocks, just looking for some feedback on them - thanks