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Old 08-22-2016, 03:02 PM
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I've used 4227 for jacketed bullet loads in .22 Hornet and .25-20 Winchester as well as .38-55 and .45-70 with cast bullets. It seems to have a wide range of applications.
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It makes very accurate loads in .357 magnum out of a rifle. I'm getting nearly as good a result now from Universal. Since I get great results from the Universal in .38, and use a fraction of the powder per case, I have switched to Universal. If I want absolute accuracy, I will use 4227.
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I use it in .44 mag .45lc. and .22k hornet haven't loaded for the .41 mag but plan to later this fall.
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16.0 grains under a 158 gr .357 mag bullet on top of a CCI 550 or Win SPM primer works for me! You will probably get a few unburned kernels but it gives me around 1200+ fps in my 6" M28-2. Great powder but expensive vs. 2400 here in eastern Nebraska.
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I am another one that uses IMR 4227 a lot . I found years ago that in the old " New Mexico " load it was just the ticket . That load consists of a 215-225 gr swc sitting on top of 24grs and LPM primer . In NM , lot of open fields and for hunting you needed something that would reach out there at long distance. It was very accurate at long distance and carried plenty of punch .
Ken Waters load is one of my favorite loads in the 41 magnum , as mentioned before a 210-220 gr bullet sitting on top of 21grs of IMR 4227 is fantastic . I have also used it in 30-30 cast bullet loads with good results using the Lyman 311041 mold .
About everyones concern for 2400 ? I finally , in desperation called Alliant and asked if they had quit producing it in favor of their new powder MP-300 . They claimed they were still producing it , as much as ever . OK, then where is it all going ? I did manage to buy 2#'s at a small gun shop in SE NM several months ago . The first I had seen in several years .

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This powder seems to have a special place in necked-down magnum handgun cartridges such as the 357-44 Bain&Davis, 357AMP, and 357GWM. When my adventurous spirit kicks in again, I intend to develop loads for the 45 Win Mag with this powder.
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I can't find it in my area, but it has the attributes I'm looking for in a smokeless powder for 38-55 cartridge.
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I am using it with a 200 grain cast bullet for .44-40 loads in my Winchester 92. The accuracy is fantastic. There seems to be a good bit of unburnt powder grains left behind. I guess that's the way it works!
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I can't find it in my area, but it has the attributes I'm looking for in a smokeless powder for 38-55 cartridge.
I did try it in 38-55 and it shoots great.I also use it for 45-70 and .30 cal cast bullet loads(.308Win,30-06,30-30).And of course in .41Mag,.44 Mag and .45 Colt.Always use it under cast bullets.The few unburned grains left never bothered me since it doesn't seem to affect accuracy.
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Old 09-17-2016, 01:41 PM
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I have read that those ' unburnt kernels " is actually just filler . I have no actual proof though . I use winchester primers exclusively except--- when I use IMR 4227 , then I use a full magnum primer like CCI , FEDERAL etc . They seem to help combustion and my groups tightened up a bit . YMMV
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Pushing 4227 past the accepted handgun magnum pressures of ~35 kpsi there are no "unburned kernals".
Using WLR primers in .445SM loads running around (a calculated) 40-45 kpsi,
the case and barrel may have a trace of ash but it is no more than any other rounds I have ever shot including factory rifle loads.
I have never heard of "filllers" being used in modern smokeless powder.
We have used inert fillers such as Grex to fill up the case when there is a lot of air in there
but it usually gets blown out of the case and gun completely.
Do you have a reference to 4227 having some inert component?
Or have I misread your comment?

4227 does seem to work best with heavy for caliber bullets and a case full of powder.
The magnum primer suggestion is a good one to experiment with although 4227 is supposed to be easier to ignite than say, most ball powders.
I am using rifle primers in the .445 which are doing the job.
The Starline brass got their pockets drilled a little deeper.

I like IMR4227 a lot. It delivers low SD, ES, and high accuracy.
In recent experiments with A1680, I can get maybe 50 more fps but the velocities are all over the place.
ES of 100 fps and over in some loads!
After trying magnum rifle primers 1680 finally gave some lower SD but only at the very top end and nowhere near as low as 4227.
It behaves a lot like a slower version of W296 which is pretty much what it is: a clone of W680.
Some of you may have read my rants about slow ball powders in revolver rounds.
This experience has not changed my opinion what so ever.
I am sticking to 4227 for any serious loads.
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What loads do you use in your .25-20 with IMR4227? I have a Winchester 1893 chambered in .25-20 and 86 grain lead bullets. I never thought of 4227 for that gun. I haven't started reloading for it, but I'm ready any time. Thanks for the help.
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I have a buddy that swears by it for .44 mag loads.
I've used both 2400 and 4227 in my 44 magnum and Imo burns a little cleaner than 2400 iirc at least for me.

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I know this post is old but 4227 really shines in a handgun with a 200 grain lead bullet in .357 using the Lee manual at starting loads at 50 yards. A nylon brush takes care of the flakes. If you have a hand gun that shoots low the 200 grain heavier bullets will print higher. They do in my 19-3.

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I use 4227 in a lot of handguns. 22 jet, 41 mag, 44 mag, 475 linebaugh, and 441 super mag. can't beat the accuracy.
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I just bought couple bottles of 4227 for my Henry 357 magnum. I really liked H110 but got tired of it gumming up my Lee Perfect (?) powder measure. So, I shall see.
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John Taffin swears by it in .45Colt. He also recommends it for other Revolver cartridges. Shortages have caused more people to try it. I see a lot of positive feed back on the Net.
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What loads do you use in your .25-20 with IMR4227? I have a Winchester 1893 chambered in .25-20 and 86 grain lead bullets. I never thought of 4227 for that gun. I haven't started reloading for it, but I'm ready any time. Thanks for the help.
Lee #2 has some info for the 25-20:
85 grain lead bullet is listed with 6 to 7 grains H4227 (1317 fps, unknown test gun, 20KPSI)
The jacketed loads run up to 25 KPSI.
Hodgdon may be the originator of this data as they list the same.

Glen Fryxell has an excellent article on the 25-20.
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Cast bullets in the .25-20 Winchester
He says:
"In terms of powder selection, there is load data out there for the .25-20 for powders ranging from about Red Dot on the fast side,
up to Acc. Arms 2015 BR on the slow side, with 4227 appearing to be just about optimum (and 4227 has been a historical favorite in the .25-20)."
"For reference, the Lyman Handbook of Cast Bullets (published in 1958) reports loading data for the 85 grain gas-checked 257312,
it lists a maximum load of 10.7 grains of 4227 producing 1750 fps."
He got best results with a plain based 85 with 8 grains 4227.
He goes to 10 grains with a gas checked 86.
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"8.0 grains of 4227 was consistently accurate with all of the 85-86 grains cast bullets (PB and GC), and generally delivered 1650-1700 fps with them. The plain-based 257283 with this powder charge (1680 fps) is now my preferred small game load for this rifle. I don’t want any more velocity, and no GC is needed. Simple and easy. This combination is capable of shooting into just over an inch at 50 yards."
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If you don't have a .357 rifle or bigger caliber..........

you better have Rose bushes !!
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you better have Rose bushes !!
Nah... If you don't have a .357 rifle or bigger caliber.......

You better give that 4227 to me and I'll make good use of it
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You can use 4227 for about any cartridge that can use 2400 or H110. The only cartridge I have used it for is .30 Carbine. Long ago, when I first started reloading with a Lee Loader, I used some for loading .44 Magnum.
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Best in 22 Hornet.
Never did as well as other propellants in 30 Carbine (H-110) or 44 Magnum (2400)
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I switched to 4227 in all my .38, .357 and .45 Colt loads. Big improvement in accuracy. Always had trouble finding a good load for a snub .38 and this solved the problem.
That's about the last think I expected to hear. There's a lot of truth in 'your results may vary'.
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The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook provides numerous 4227 loading recipes for a large number of rifle and handgun calibers. For handgun calibers, it has 4227 loadings for only .357, .38-40, .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum, none for .38 Special or .45 Colt. As I shoot mainly lead bullets, I consider the Lyman handbook to be most valuable of all of the numerous reloading manuals I have.

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"4227 used to be a very popular powder for the 22 Hornet when I was growing up. Don't know what is used now, there's so many different choices and not so many Hornet shooters anymore."

Too true. Many years ago I had a Win Model 43 in .22 Hornet (my very first CF rifle), used it for crow hunting. But I didn't reload when I owned the M43. Many today have never heard of it, but the .22 Hornet is the perfect cartridge for smaller game and varmints out to around 150 yards and it doesn't make much noise. It was very popular in the 1940s and 1950s. I even had a friend who successfully used a similar rifle in .22 Hornet for deer (which was legal in Maryland at that time). It deserves to make a comeback, but I don't believe that's possible.
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Works fine in my 357 mag Henry rifle and a friends 300BO.
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You can download the 2001 IMR Handloaders guide from the link. Among other applications there are a lot of rifle reduced loads using IMR 4227 and IMR 4198. IMR 4227 being single base doesn't burn as hot as a lot of the other powders.

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The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook provides numerous 4227 loading recipes for a large number of rifle and handgun calibers. For handgun calibers, it has 4227 loadings for only .357, .38-40, .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum, none for .38 Special or .45 Colt. As I shoot mainly lead bullets, I consider the Lyman handbook to be most valuable of all of the numerous reloading manuals I have.
Lyman 49 has .45 Colt data. The Speer Reloading Manual #10 has data for both the .38 Spl and .45 Colt. The IMR Handloader Guide (dated 10/90) also has data for both. I realize that the latter 2 books are old, necessitating starting out low.
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That's about the last think I expected to hear. There's a lot of truth in 'your results may vary'.
Wow, a reply to a 5 year old comment. FWIW, 4227 is still my goto for a snub .38. For my particular atrocity I can't get the same accuracy with other powders.

I have switched to Bullseye for .357 and .45 Colt, only because of better availability. I have to reserve the hard-to-find 4227 for the snub.

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