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Old 08-31-2012, 05:42 PM
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I have been reloading for almost a year and I am really getting bored with my single stage press. I feel like i spend more time reloading then i do shooting...

So I am trying to decide between a rl 450 or a rl 550 cant decide what one to get. hopefully you guys can help me by explaining the differences between them.

I will be reloading 9mm 40 S&W and 223
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:51 PM
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450 is pistol calibers. 550 will do your 223 as well. Along with a whole host of other pistol and rifle calibers. If you were just doing pistol calibers, I'd say 450 good to go.

I reload 9 calibers on a 550B. 223 isn't one of them. I'm too old - old reloaders have a preference for large primers and larger cailber bullets cause we can see them and pick them up easier... I have a ton of 223 brass however I buy lots of mil-surp to shoot up by the case. If I was loading up 223, it would be for some varmint loads or hunting loads and I end up picking up the 7.62x51 if I'm doing those activities. Dillon is highly recommended in my book.

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Old 08-31-2012, 07:29 PM
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Does Dillon still sell the 450? I don't see it on their website. Get the 550, it's a great press.
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The RL450 is no longer made. A lot of the 550 parts will work and vice versa, from what I understand. I have an old 450 I use just for one or two calibers.

If I was buying one today it would be a 550. I have a 650 but the 550 us very versatile for most everything.

Plus, you can't beat Dillon's customer service.
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Dillon has not made a 450 for 27 years. They can be updated to a 550 (I did mine). I was able to load all pistol calibers as well as 223 rifle when I used it as a 450. Updating to a 550 makes reloading faster.
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The RL 450 and RL 550 are functionally the same press. I bought my 450 in 1982 new, bought the 550 used in 2007. The structural difference is the removeable tool head on the 550. For several hundred dollars , a 450 can be upgraded to everything a 550 does: auto prime, auto powder, auto eject, except the removeable tool head. To get the removeable tool head, Dillon sells you a new frame or does an in-house upgrade.

A RL 450 will reload any caliber a RL 550 reloads. All the parts and pieces are interchangeable.

The Dillon Square Deal reloads only pistol calibers using SPECIAL Dillon dies. Standard 7/8-14 dies do not fit a Square Deal.
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I know that dillon does not make the 450 any more. But there is a guy at my local range that has a rl 450 that has all the rl 550 add ons and he said he would sell it to me for 300.00 bucks didnt know if i should buy it or just buy the new one from dillon site
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I would go over to his house and run a few rounds to see it work.Then would probably tear my rear pocket off trying to get my money out as fast as I could.$300 is a real good price on that converted machine if it's in good shape.Even if it needs parts,Dillon will take care of you.I've bought two Square deals used and they have yet to charge me for a part that was needed on either machine.I load 45 acp and 357 on mine and use a Rock chucker for my rifle and a few other pistol cartridges.
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I know that dillon does not make the 450 any more. But there is a guy at my local range that has a rl 450 that has all the rl 550 add ons and he said he would sell it to me for 300.00 bucks didnt know if i should buy it or just buy the new one from dillon site
My Dillon 550B was converted from a DL450. The only accessory that won't work on my conversion is the roller handle. If you are ok with using the original handle with big ball, then this would be a great bargain.
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For handgun ammo I like the Square Deal.......Have 2 and 6 caliber conversions. Had to have auto index....Bought both before the auto-index 650 came out. I can run off A_LOT~ of ammo in very short time.
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The 550 is the best, I had a 450 and a 650 before I got the 550. Today the 550 is the only one that I have. The 450 was to small for my big hands and the 650 took to much time to switch and cost for converison kits was to much. The 550 is king in my eyes.
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I just got done meeting with the guy i bought a rl 450 with all the 550 upgrades for 300.00 bucks pretty sweet deal i thin any way.
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You done good!!

Have fun!!
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So get this i call dillon before i purchase this used rl 450 to ask about the warranty, the man tells me that it has a total warranty. So i purchase the press, when I get it today some springs are rusted parts are missing would not fuction right and so on. I called dillon three time, first call after being on hold for 25 minutes i tell him my story he tells me to call back in two hours my problem is to complex. So second times calling new person i tell him my problem he tell me that I can send it they will look at it and let me know how much it cost to repair i asked about the the no bs warranty some how we got disconnected. On my third call now and I am still on hold. I thought dillon had a great warranty WHATS GOING ON DILLON
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I have been using a RL550B for a few years. It is my only press except for an old single stage I use occasionally to re-size and deprime. I only reload handgun calibers (8). I don't have a need for any thing else.

My expearances with Dillon have been very positive and they have replaced broken or wornout items at no cost to me. Maybe the guy on the other end of the line was having a bad day.

Go to Dillons web site and you can look at an exploaded view of the 550B. Pick out the part numbers you need replaced and then call Dillon for warrenty service with part numbers and part discription in hand. Keep your explaining to a minimum and just answer the questions you might be asked.

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First of all I think that you being new to all this Dillon stuff you do not have a good base to judge whether that deal was a good deal .
I think that you should have listened to the many folks that told you to buy a 550 . That is most likely what your range buddy is doing right now .
Since I have got that of my chest - Dillon will treat you well no matter what ! If you ship your press back to Dillon be prepared to inhale twice when you find out the shipping charge .
Your best bet might be get with somebody else -not the seller - that knows what he is doing and find out what you need to make that into a regular 550 . When you said you have rusted parts on your press - I have my 550 since July 1989 and there is ZERO rust .
Sometimes we made a good deal and sometimes - well - .
Like so many other people told you - Dillon will treat you well they just might have had a very busy time that day .
I am sure that eventually you will be a very happy customer .
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First person on here i have found that is rude and what a shocker your from cali cant say I am suprised.
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Ok, take a deep breath and count to ten. What you want to do is get a manual for a Dillon 550B. You can download one from the internet and print it out. Read the manual from front to back. Study the parts that are bad and look them up on the diagram. That way you will be armed with knowledge when you make your next call to Dillon.

I bought a used Dillon 650 with a lot of accessories, for a very good deal, because it was missing some parts. I was very familiar with my 550, but the 650 is a different animal. After I really got "into" the 650 to see what made it tick, I could speak the same language as the Dillon rep. It didn't take me long to get the 650 up and running and the Dillon folks were, as always, great.

Unfortunately you are inexperienced with reloading in general, so not getting a "turn key" loader is probably overwhelming. Once you study the press and it's parts, things will start to fall into place. Good luck!
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Unfortunately, The first day after a holiday is always extremely busy. Your used machine is still under lifetime warranty, except for missing parts. If it needs to be disassembled to be cleaned and lubed, we can send you the necessary punch and alignment tool (with instructions) at no charge. If you prefer to send it in for us to clean and relube, we charge $67.95 for that, return shipping included. We can mail you a photocopy of the RL450 manual, as well as the current RL550B manual (part numbering system changed since 1985). Worn and damaged parts are covered under warranty. Minor parts we simply mail out, some major parts we do require that the damaged part be sent in first.
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Thank i finally got to talk to somone his name was matt and I will be asking for him from now on he was great. I am positive that the powder measure was shot and the priming system was either broke or just needed a really good cleaning and lubue. so I sent the press In if i have to paysomething thats fine I understand just would like the press to work and I am sure they will get it done for me. Sorry for the previous post I was angry and could not get the press running right. thanks
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When I am really angry, what I try to remember is the likely reason I am so angry is that I was part of the problem.

Dunno if that'll help much lol, but I'm glad your problem is on the way to being resolved. Have fun reloading, its a learning experience but its great fun if you approach it as such.
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First person on here i have found that is rude and what a shocker your from cali cant say I am suprised.
It was not meant to be rude . Just like your initial conclusion about Dillon service you might have rushed your judgement .
I am sure that you will like working that Dillon lots better than your old single stage .
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Well I would like to say that I was totally wrong about dillon and I let my anger get the best of me. They where great I sent in press they replaced everything from powder measuer to the frame all NEW. The best part they didnt charge me a dime and shipped it back two me. O and it was only at there factory one day. THANK YOU DILLON
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My first and only progressive press is a Dillon RL550b. I still have a couple of single-stage presses for specialized work, like case prep and pulling bullets. There have been a number of improvements over the years, so IMO it's best to buy a new system.

The 550 is a good compromise between speed and changeover time. The hardest thing to change is arguably primer size (and content). There's a trick to that. Leave the drop tube in place when you remove the primer feed. Pull out the stop to dump unused primers into your flip tray. Then you can change the empty drop tube, or return the empty feeder to the press. If you pay the extra $80 for the quick change kit, all you need is a quick weight check on changeover.

Pistol reloading is easy - no case prep, no lubrication (with carbide dies). Pick one powder, load and bullet with conservative pressures, and stick with it.

Rifle loading, especially with military calibers, is a little more involved. You have to ream or swage (preferred) primer pockets on military brass. Military brass has about 10% less capacity, so you have to rework your loads appropriately. I can't make the minimum load (22.0 grain) of IMR4895 fit into a .223 case without compression with 68 grain bullets, but Vitavuori N140 works just fine (if you can find it).

If the cases exceed the maximum length (e.g., after the first firing), you have to trim and bevel the cases after resizing. I use a single-stage press to resize and deprime, prep the cases off line, then resize (superfluous) and reprime in the 550. Alternately, you could use a bench priming tool, then insert the cases at the powder die.

The Dillon really shines in seating and crimping - separate stations. You get far fewer damaged cases on a Dillon, than where these operations are combined. This is especially true for revolver cartridges which use a roll crimp.

I can reload 400 pistol cases/hour without breaking a sweat. With .223 or .308, it's more like 100/hour (or less) with prep time. After the first reload, the cases don't need prepping unless the length gets out of spec.
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So get this i call dillon before i purchase this used rl 450 to ask about the warranty, the man tells me that it has a total warranty. So i purchase the press, when I get it today some springs are rusted parts are missing would not fuction right and so on. I called dillon three time, first call after being on hold for 25 minutes i tell him my story he tells me to call back in two hours my problem is to complex. So second times calling new person i tell him my problem he tell me that I can send it they will look at it and let me know how much it cost to repair i asked about the the no bs warranty some how we got disconnected. On my third call now and I am still on hold. I thought dillon had a great warranty WHATS GOING ON DILLON
Call Dillon and ask to talk to ERIC HARVEY and tell him JOHN FROSS in HAYS, KANSAS told you to call and tell him of your problem. I'm sure he will take care of you..........HELP THAT WILL HELP YOU..........CookE..
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I talked to Dillon about a month ago. There was a 15 min hold time .I ask em about it .He said since the sandy hill shooting, the phones have never stopped ringing. Also Dillon has the best warranty of any thing you will ever buy . And I mean anything. I have a welding business and I have adopted there same no BS warranty .Its tuff but at the end of the day it makes you fell good that you took care of everybody. MJ

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CookE this post is over 18 months old and Dillon already took care of him
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First person on here i have found that is rude and what a shocker your from cali cant say I am suprised.
And at least we have the balls to post where we are from, even if Kalif is a kraphole.
I Dillon has always been good to me about fixing things I have broken on my 550B or 650, never even a question, just send me the parts.
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