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Re Posting this thread. Please do some of the work.
Please realize that this is not directed to any specific individual.
There seems to be a lot of posts looking for basic information or data which can easily be found in a manual or even a thread search or Google and the OP has not even attempted to look for it.
Use the search function, it really does work. Most topics have been discussed many times.
What's a good powder for xyz? What load will work in my Wingding 38 special? and similar posts.
There are many experienced re-loaders here and all offer their help and advice. Rarely does the original poster respond back or even offer a thank you.
All the manuals , powder companies and reloading company websites offer FREE information and how to instructions, they will mail you stuff.
So please try to do some background research, get some information, then if you have a problem, by all means ask. There are no dumb questions just ones that have not even been researched first.
Read the link in the post.
"Do The Work"--Or At Least Some Of It, Anyway
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Now that you mention it; is there any difference between black powder and smokless powder? I mean, it all looks black to me, and I don't mind if it smokes a little bit. In fact, a poof of smoke looks kind of cool coming out of the barrel. What do you think?
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What about burn rates? I need a medium burning powder but all I have is some 2400 and Bullseye. How much Bullseye should I mix with the 2400?
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What about burn rates? I need a medium burning powder but all I have is some 2400 and Bullseye. How much Bullseye should I mix with the 2400?
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Thin the Bullseye with water--makes a very safe load!
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Is there a picture tutorial here showing a new reloader how to seat and crimp properly?
I couldn't find it, if so.
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Is there a picture tutorial here showing a new reloader how to seat and crimp properly?
I couldn't find it, if so.
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Using an auto pistol barrel find a MAX O.A.L with your bullet This topic comes up a lot, or should I say this question.
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Why won't my reloads chamber?
A short throat is sometimes the culprit. Too long an O.A.L. is sometimes the problem, even with barrels with average throats.
This pic is often used to help explain correct headspacing and how O.A.L. can affect chambering and headspace.
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I find it funny when there are two or three of the same "which powder" threads on page one of the forum. It's like they didn't even look at the threads facing them.
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Someone said to look on Google. I couldn't find Google so I Googled it. My computer blew up.
Is that because of a double charge or Titegroup?
Seriously I wish they would just say "I'm too lazy to figure this out and want someone else to do the legwork. And if it doesn't work out, I can lay the blame elsewhere."
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Some thread just scare me. I try to think back to when I first decided to reload my own and I know I had some dumb questions but I can't think of any that in retrospect were scary.
I think my dumbest question was if .45 ACP lead bullets would need lube due to the lower velocity and pressure.
But hands down the BEST advice I got was to go buy a copy of the "ABC's of Reloading" and read through it twice and re-read it again.
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Totally agree. That's a banner ad I wouldn't mind seeing on the forum.
Perhaps: "The ABC's of Reloading by C. Rodney James. Purchase a copy here and get (x)% off".
I wonder how we could go about getting it done? Should I drop a request in the Admin section?...
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It always amazes me how folks think nuttin' of spending big bucks on a Dillon 1050 and then are too cheap to buy a manual or two. Or trust some guy named Bubba from the internet to give them a safe load. I always try to answer legitimate newbie questions, cause I was there once too, but when folks ask the "best load" recipe, I always direct them to a manual or powder manufacturer websites.
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info on the 'net is great for the "instant responce" generation (don't have to think, someone will tell me whatever I ask). Research? Why when I can go to one forum and somebody will tell me what to do. Books? Those are for old guys. Reloading manual? Why, all I gotta do is ask on some forum and get a lot of answers. Why bother with instructions for my dies, reading is boring, I'll just type a question, won't even have to think!
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I've forgotten who first gave the advice to a new reloader to buy a good quality manual, then rip out all the data pages, and read everything that's left. Twice.
Loading data is pretty easy to come by in many cases.
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No, I won't use the "search this forum" feature. Surely you don't expect me to "read any ole manual"?
I'll go watch another idiot on you tube!
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What load do I use in a CTG and is it +P?
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I've always gotten good advice and information from Bubba.
I'm tired of people trashing Bubba.
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You're talking yourself out of a job there Rule3. When in the local reloading suppliers shop I'm answering questions all the time too and hell I only think I understand the basics. I used to think I knew a little about guns until I started shooting competitively. So much to learn.
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You're talking yourself out of a job there Rule3. When in the local reloading suppliers shop I'm answering questions all the time too and hell I only think I understand the basics. I used to think I knew a little about guns until I started shooting competitively. So much to learn.
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No, I enjoy and will continue to help members if I can. It's not just reloading it's everywhere as the article explains. I had 20 years of it at work.
I remember folks helping me, but at least I tried on my own first. I bought several manuals, I read all the manuals (other than load data)Had info from all the reloading companies. Printed out data from Hodgdon, Alliant etc. I didn't post a question on what is a good load for a 158 gr LSWC 38 special claiming I can't find any data.
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I only want to buy one can of powder. I will be using it for a 500 smith on a bear hunt. I will also need it for 9mm for plinking and possibly for. 223 and 45/70. I only want one powder. It keeps my bench tidy that way.
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I was at a LGS several years ago and a friend was teaching a class for beginners on reloading, I stood in the back of the group and when he ask if there were any questions, no one responded (he was doing a great job) I said I'd like to ask a question, he responded by saying any question I had would only confuse the beginners, but he had questions for me latter. I never see anyone offer reloading clinics anymore and have seen many salespeople give bad and sometimes dangerious advice to novices, and it is nearly impossible to get the novice to ignor the bad advice because it came from a professional! Ivan
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I've always gotten good advice and information from Bubba.
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I hear ya'. I'm Appalachian and proud of it!
It seems that hillbillies and rednecks are the only two groups that everyone can freely make fun of without fear of retribution from the NAACP/ACLU/WLF/PETA, etc.
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I love it when these folks ask "If you only had one powder available to load .38 Special, .44 Special and .45 ACP what would you use?" on various forums and then get miffed when 90% of the responders say Unique. They post a question with an obvious answer then want to argue their point of view that Superwonder #666 is the best powder for the job.
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Where can a fellow find this #666 powder? Oughta work well in an "Evil Black Rifle" too!
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Back in 1975 I bought a Speer #9 reloading manual and never looked back. It answered all my questions.
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I just found my Speer #9 today. It was missing for a while. Actually, when some of us started loading ammo, nobody had a computer at home. Hell, there was nobody to ask. Out came the manuals. And that worked, didn't it ?? enjoy Mike
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Well, it seems that SOMEONE is listening, Rule! Yeah, there have been more 2 and 3 year old dead threads coming back to life since you posted this thread than in the whole time I have been on this forum!
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Maybe we should just send this back to the top Skip.
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some observations regarding searching the forum
First off - good thread, rule - its good to get put on the right track, every now and then
I've had mixed success using the search feature on the forum page.
Choosing "Search Forums" and "show threads" and keyword such as "125 gr 38 special load", without quotes provides 20 pages of 500 results - you might as well have searched for "gun" - however, using quotes provides only 1 result - with my experience neither are productive
Using the advanced search / by keyword without quotes gives much narrowed results - very productive
Using the Search Site / Google option gives many pages of results, but the "close matches" to the keyword are at the top of the results
Using the Google webpage with boolean operators
provides very good results and many link back to this forum - go figure!
Also, I've found that once finding a thread regarding your search, the similar threads at the bottom are very helpful - often tripling and quadrupling thread post results.
One thing that would be very helpful to the newbies - like me
from the "professors" on this forum - is to offer some keyword pointers as replies initially - such as: "try searching "boatbum101 and Model 52" - it would save everybody a lot of time.
My little 2 cents of fun!
OP: "I am thinking about getting into reloading, what press should I buy?"
Reply: get a Dillon Super 105 - done! nothing else out there - period!!!!!
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Check Brian Enos websitefor "Which Dillon."
Check ultimatereloader website for various manufacturer models and VIDEOS of them.
All Reloaders should also, have a Single Stage even if they choose a PROGRESSIVE type press.
You must be AN ATTENTIVE TYPE PERSON and be able to
FOLLOW DIRECTIONS EXACTLY or reloading can be dangerous to yours and others health.
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If helping out a new guy with some questions and answers is too much trouble, then just ignore it and let someone else do it. Go back and read some of the condescending answers given to legitimate questions; it is sickening.
I wish there had been an internet forum like this (but without some of the know-it-all posters in this thread) when I started loading years ago. I had a loading manual, but there was some bad load data in it (Speer). I ended up wrecking a Model 19-3.
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Warren, I want to ask you a question. How did you end up wrecking your M19? Were you following the loading instructions in the front of the manual? Almost all of them, the old Speer manuals 5-8, do for sure, have good reloading practices right in the front of them. Checking for pressure signs and all of that. Staring low and working up, all of that.
This is not condescending at all nor is it to ridicule you or anyone else for that matter BUT, no manual can cause you to wreck a gun, none. Even in my case, it was my own fault. I didn't start low and work up. I went right to the top of the data which was too much for my firearm. If you ruined your M19-3, I would rather think that you MIGHT have skipped a step or two too. Just my opinion.
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If helping out a new guy with some questions and answers is too much trouble, then just ignore it and let someone else do it. Go back and read some of the condescending answers given to legitimate questions; it is sickening.
I wish there had been an internet forum like this (but without some of the know-it-all posters in this thread) when I started loading years ago. I had a loading manual, but there was some bad load data in it (Speer). I ended up wrecking a Model 19-3.
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No one said anything about not helping out anyone!! New or old timer. I did not write the original article but did re post it as it pertains to some questions that are posted here in this section. Go back and read the majority of my posts, I have offered help to a lot of folks and followed up on it, Hell I even tested some loads for a few and chronograph them.
I am not going to post some examples of questions that are just plan LAZY as it was not my intent to insult anyone.
All that's asked is for the poster to do a little research on their own before posting a question that is easily answered in any manual. Better yet get 3 manuals and cross reference them along with the powder companies data. Had you done that maybe your M 19 would not have been ruined, but of course it was the manuals fault.
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What is a good powder for .38 special in a 4" barrel???
That's the kind of question Rule3 is talking about.
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ESPECIALLY when EVERYONE KNOWS it is "Nuclear Fusion #3" that is THE best for that barrel length! I mean, C O M E O N !!
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I want some "Nuclear Fusion #3" but I bet you have to use a magnum primer to make it really nuclear!
Rule3 clearly said this was not aimed at anyone and he has helped everyone who asked for help, even the very simple questions that could easily be found in any manual. He's talking about the 18 to 20 something crowd who are used to finding everything on youtube without doing any research at all. you know, the "NOW" generation but I don't want to do any work for it. (also know as the entitlement generation) He never said he wasn't going to help everyone who asks...
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Thank you Arch
But can I use +P ammo in it?
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Not if you load that +P ammo with Nuclear Fusion #3. You might get away with Nuclear Fusion #2 though...
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I used 3.6 grains of Bullseye and a month later, the power steering pump let go on my Chevy......AND NONE OF YOU WARNED ME!
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Thanks
I can only say that 2 years ago, when I returned to reloading and joined this forum, I asked some pretty basic questions about loads and components (things had changed a lot in 30+ years). You were all very patient and gave me a lot of good advice. It was very helpful and much appreciated. To those folks I'd like to say "Thanks" and wish you a Merry Christmas.
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I don't know.....PETA might get involved.
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Okay, Mi Amigo I finally went out and got one. I have no idea what I'm going to do with it but I must admit Hornady makes one fine cup holder!
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But it doesn't look like you are taking advantage of their patented quick change bushings...
And it looks a lot like that wall is freshly painted out...
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12-24-2012, 07:33 AM
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And it looks a lot like that wall is freshly painted out...
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Back to the top for the New Reloaders.
EDIT: Now let's be clear, I revieved this old thread with a 'Bump to the Top.'
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Guys in my generation (senior citizens) are used to ancient archival technologies (books, magazines, encyclopedias,etc.) These storage mediums required motivation and diligence. As a bonus we were often pulled to subjects tangential to our original topic but no less informative and rewarding.
Today's smartphone generation want instant answers. I can see the attraction. But what is lost is any sense of context. Safety is compromised. History is lost and this is counterproductive.
What I try to do is gently encourage them to put in the time with a good reloading manual. Other sites I visit are known for harshly flaming new reloaders. If we want to keep them around we need to be polite but firm.
This is why I applaud your approach. Make them feel welcome but also remind them of a saying my Dad used a lot. "Every answer you want is hidden in a book somewhere."
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05-10-2014, 11:29 PM
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Being a newb to reloading I'm sure I'll have questions too. But I have purchased four manuals (and reading them) and watching many many videos on youtube. But lets face it, there's just gonna be times when you need to ask a question.
As to the search feature for this forum. Personally I think its less than good. I am very computer literate and above average user but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for most times unless I go to that google thingy and search from there. 99% of the time the results are from this forum but I 'll be darned if they turned up when I searched from directly on this site.
I'm certain I may someday ask a question which has been asked and I would have liked to have found before typing and asking all you fine folks.
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05-10-2014, 11:55 PM
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Being a newb to reloading I'm sure I'll have questions too. But I have purchased four manuals (and reading them) and watching many many videos on youtube. But lets face it, there's just gonna be times when you need to ask a question.
@@@ Yep. This is much better than saying i bought a can of powder and want to know some loads for it. There are some loads there isn't a whole lotta data on. If a person shows that they've tried to get an answer on their own, they are much more likely to get help than a person who wants to 'cut right to the chase' where upon the answers will most likely be, "How about go buy some reloading manuals."
As to the search feature for this forum. Personally I think its less than good. I am very computer literate and above average user but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for most times unless I go to that google thingy and search from there. 99% of the time the results are from this forum but I 'll be darned if they turned up when I searched from directly on this site.
@@@ This is hilarious, but it is better to use google to find something on this forum. No, the search ain't too swift.
I'm certain I may someday ask a question which has been asked and I would have liked to have found before typing and asking all you fine folks
@@@ We were all newbies once, and when I try something I haven't done before, I'm a newbie all over again.
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