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Old 01-15-2013, 10:49 PM
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I have a winchester 94 that just sits in my safe and gets no use. So i want to reload for it using cast bullets just plinking loads. When is a gas check needed i saw under 1700 fps you dont need one but that seems high to me. Can anyone offer any input thanks in advance
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It depends on the lead alloy, but I believe you are right, and at 30-30 velocities you would definetly want to go with a gas check, I have never shot cast bullets in my 30-30, but my buddy shot mine Saturday and wanted to shoot a hedgeapple. We have both recently sold our ARs to pick up some old Smiths and he is leaning toward a 30-30. That 150 grain soft point on the hedgeapple made a believer out of ole Dave! LOL Billy
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My nephew is a new 30-30 owner. We have been doing some research on cast bullets for the 30-30. We did find quite a bit of good info over on the "Cast Boolits" forum. You might want to check it out.
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I'd just bite the bullet, so to speak, and use gas checks period.
Right now Im working on some loads for its slightly bigger brother the 32 special. The faster rate of the 30-30 might case some grief at some point but man let me tell you that 32 spec is nothing short of brilliant with gas checked cast even at pretty much full house hunting loads.
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I've been thinking along the same lines. 30-30 Marlin sitting in the safe for awhile. I just got dies for it tonight.

Keep the thread going and post updates. I still need to get a few things: bullets, primers and shell holder. And I need to do some reading-up on it.
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I have been shooting a 165gr plane base bullet with an 18 BHN without any sign of leading in the barrel. I do keep the velocities under 1800 fps and my actual velocities are just under 1600 fps. I have been using H4895 but I'm also going to try several other powders including H4198, LVR and Trail Boss.
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If your Marlin is stamped "Micro groove rifling", you will have a lot of trouble getting cast bullets to shoot accurately. Winchesters are not a problem. My 1894 Marlin 44 mag had "minute of buffalo" at 50 yards with cast lead bullets. My Ruger super blackhawk was more accurate at 100 yards.
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If your Marlin has microgroove rifling you just have to find the correct bullet diameter, design and alloy, just like any other gun. Go to either Cast Boolits or the Marlin forum and ask around. They can help you.
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These are loaded with Trail Boss and have no gas check as they are powder puff loads:



These are loaded with a max charge of H335 and wear gas checks:



They are both shot in this Marlin 336 with Micro Groove barrel:



As for accuracy, last time I was out with some friends a month ago and we were chasing a milk carton around at the end of the range.

I also load plated bullets with Trail Boss and they are very accurate as well. I tried Unique and didn't get good accuracy for whatever reason. I had keyholes in the paper when I tried them. That was using data from the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.

The bullet is cast from a Ranch Dog mold that sadly is no longer made. 165gr flat point with tumble lube grooves and a gas check. At slow velocity they don't require a check but since I cast them softer than you normally should for rifle loads I check them and they shoot straight and don't lead line the bore.
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Some good info thanks. I use 2400 for my 686 loads and still have a fair amount left so i was thinking of using that. Lymans 49th says 1624 fps at starting grains 18 grain max around 1800. just dont want to lead my barrel. Mabey i will look into some trail boss as well. Again thanks.
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I forgot to mention that I size mine at .310" for better fit and less leading.
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When shooting cast in a rifle I like to go heavy for caliber. If you are buying bullets I would go with gc as you have no control over the lube. You can shoot plain based if you use a good lube and have control over the alloy and speeds.
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If your Marlin is stamped "Micro groove rifling", you will have a lot of trouble getting cast bullets to shoot accurately. Winchesters are not a problem. My 1894 Marlin 44 mag had "minute of buffalo" at 50 yards with cast lead bullets. My Ruger super blackhawk was more accurate at 100 yards.
My M-336 with Micro groove shoots cast extremely well.

Think about it, lots of small lands spaced close together do a good job of gripping the softer lead bullet without a lot of deformation.

The trick to getting cast bullets to shoot well in Micro Groove barrels is to make sure they are absolutely free of copper fouling and use a hard bullet.

You would be shocked at how well these barrels can shoot.
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My M-336 with Micro groove shoots cast extremely well.

Think about it, lots of small lands spaced close together do a good job of gripping the softer lead bullet without a lot of deformation.

The trick to getting cast bullets to shoot well in Micro Groove barrels is to make sure they are absolutely free of copper fouling and use a hard bullet.

You would be shocked at how well these barrels can shoot.
I can buy into this on the basis that the Marlin 22's are micro grooved and shoot soft swaged lead their entire careers.
so there IS a way to do it.
if buying a gun for cast, I'd probably avoid micro grooved barrels so as to avoid need for tricks but if its what you have to work with .. break out the plumbing solder and harden those heavy pills on up
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When I load Lyman 311041 or similar in the 30-30 without gas checks I set the sizer to fill the gas check shank area with lube.

I then seat the bullet so the lubed base section is contained in the case neck and get very good results this way.

At low pressures the lube acts as a sort of O-ring preventing gas cutting of the sides and base, and at high pressures the shank obturates out to fill the bore and acts like a well lubricated plain base bullet.

I have the targets and recovered bullets to prove this approach works, most of the time anyway.
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Raised two boys with Winchester 94's and cast bullet loads. Now have 9 grandkids, and a great-grandson coming up fast.

Favorite load, tried and true:

Lee C309-170RF, cast of 50% wheelweights & 50% Linotype metal
Hornady crimp-on gas check
Alox NRA-formula bullet lube applied in .309" die in the lubri-sizer
Standard large rifle primer
30 grains H335, topped with 1.0 grain loose Dacron fiber fill
Bullet seated to crimp groove, firm roll crimp.

This has chronographed at 1950 to 2050 FPS muzzle velocity. This is essentially a full power load that performs much like factory ammunition. We have taken dozens of Colorado mule deer with this load, usually under 100 yards, and very few have required a second shot.

A good load to start off a young shooter with, and also very good for short range small game use:

Same bullet, omit gas check
8 grains Unique, 2.0 grain tuft of Dacron fiber fill

Estimated 1200 FPS. Very accurate to 50 yards or so. Very little recoil. My Model 94 is equipped with the Lyman receiver sight, and I use the 200 yard setting for point of aim at 50 yards.

Another thing I experimented with many years ago:

Number "0" buckshot seated in case mouth and crimped
5.0 grains Unique, 2.0 grains Dacron fiber fill

Very inexpensive, accurate to 25 yards, bore cleans easily with a good bronze brush. You'll have to play with your sights to find the correct setting, but this load will easily take just about any small game at short range.

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Cases used for reduced loads should be segregated and never again used for full power loads. Reduced loads can have the effect of shortening the brass which, in rimless cases results in excessive headspace, while in rimmed cartridges like the .30-30 this could result in expanding gases venting around the cartridge case back into the breech (not a good thing) with full power loads.

The Dacron fiber fill placed over the powder helps to keep reduced loads back near the primer for improved ignition. It is completely consumed on firing. If you choose to use this method you should work up your loads with the fiber fill in a consistent size/weight; do not add fiberfill to an established load, as this can boost pressures.
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165gn #1 Whitetail RNFP Missouri Bullet over Trail Boss at 50yd.......
Bbl slugged .307, .309 dia bullet,No gas check....No leading....
'69 336....Real good plinking/practice load....
To "reach out" try Hdy 160gn FTX's over IMR 4895
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Another little sweet heart that you might want to try is the 100gr plinker from Hornady. I use it in my 30-06 with 16-20grs of SR4759, for a 50 yard target and rabbit load for the kids.



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If your Marlin has microgroove rifling you just have to find the correct bullet diameter, design and alloy, just like any other gun. Go to either Cast Boolits or the Marlin forum and ask around. They can help you.
Go to Missouri Bullet Company thier Whitetail number 2 works in the Marlin.
MarlinOwnersw.com has some good load information.
TraillBoss 7.5 grains makes a nice target load, shooting wize, don't know how accurate it is yet or the volicity
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Another little sweet heart that you might want to try is the 100gr plinker from Hornady. I use it in my 30-06 with 16-20grs of SR4759, for a 50 yard target and rabbit load for the kids.
I use SR4795 with the 100 gr plinker and the 110 gr. spire point from Speer in my 30-06 at around 1800 fps (a medium load). My family and I love it. Shoot for hours with no soreness or fatigue. And the plinkers are especially cheap. If I want something heavier I use 4895 and a bigger bullet. The versatility of the 30 caliber family is amazing. Fun city.
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SR4795???????????????

There is IMR 4895, SR 4756 and SR 4759, what are you talking about??????????????????
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My favorite plinking load for the 30-30 uses a commercial cast 165-grain bullet over 7 grains of Power Pistol. Velocity is around 1130 fps, and the accuracy is better than it needs to be. A typical 50-yard target:

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I ended up going for some trail boss but it was all gone. i did have a box of 170 speer hot cor i got at a gun show a while back. i picked up some imr 3031 and shot a few. i had my little guy with me so i was more looking after him that any thing else. when things get back to normal ill get back to looking at some cast loads
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After all those years of shooting full loads of 30-30 and 30-06,it a plesant surprise to shoot the low velosity loads for a change.

First time,I used Unique and I shot at the 100 yard target,
waited,and waited and finally.........."Platt" as the bullet finally got to the paper target.

I do remember to use these cases,just for these loads,per a reloading book by Wooters,since they do not always expand and form to the rifles chamber and the possibility of soot on the case can happen. Don't know why,but I just follow the rules,since there must be a reason ?
I know that this page is for 30-30 but for a 30-06 and a 151gr 32 alloy #311466.....powders from RedDot to SR4756 can be used for 1697 to 1940 fps with only 35,000 to 39,400 cup.
2400,SR4759 and IMR4227 take twice as much powder but reach around 2450 fps at 42,000 to 48,100 cup.

These powders should work with the shorter case also,one would think............at about 70% of the payload. Maybe I will have to get my old 30-30 out this year for some lite loads.
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You need a gas check when the bullet is designed for one. Try shooting groups with and without the check and see which works best. Start off unchecked. Sometimes it works. Adding a gas check has never caused groups to be worse in my experience. I use a 170 gr. Lee flat point cast of air cooled wheelweights with the gas check in place at 1600 fps. The loads I use are with Red Dot or Unique as listed in the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook ( third edition ). But with the price of gas checks going through the roof maybe it would be wise to develope a load without one !

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For a plinker load in my Sav. 170 pump gun I use the Lee 170 gr. RNFP cast from straight WW alloy gas check left off and two light coats of Lee Alox/JPW lube. I push it with 7.0 grs. of Alliant Red Dot,MV runs around 1250 fps. Works great in a Win. 94 as well.

Some data from the Lyman cast bullet manual #3.

Red Dot 6.5 grs. 1159 fps. 8.5 grs. 1348 fps.

Unique 7.0 grs. 1240 fps. 10.6 grs. 1555 fps.

SR-4756 7.0 grs. 1102 fps. 10.5 grs. 1423 fps.

W231 6.0 grs. 1175 fps. 8.0 grs. 1275 fps.

TiteGroup 4.5 grs. 960 fps. 6.5 grs. 1383 fps.

2400 7.0 grs. 1005 fps. 11.0 grs. 1377 fps.

Bullseye 5.0 grs. 990 fps. 7.4 grs. 1263 fps.


One of my more fun loads to shoot is the little Lee .314" 32 cal. 90 gr. tumble lube SWC cast from PB or 50/50 and tumble lubed once before and once after sizing down to .311" I push this little bullet in the 30-30 with 3.0 to 3.5 grs. Alliant Bullseye MV runs about 1000 fps. with the high end load. I shoot the same load in my 300 Sav. as well.

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I have a big bag of 110 gr JSP almost like the plinker bullet. Use them in my 30 carbine.

What I would like to find is a load using a powder like Unique or Power Pistol rather than the traditional rifle powders that I use in the 223 Rem.

I have a lot more of the "pistol" type powder and seems I could use less of it for just range shooting.

I have no idea where to begin even trying to develop a load. The only data is for a heavier lead bullet using 7 or so grains of Unique.

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P.O. Ackley's Handbook shows 2 loads for 110 gr bullet 30 M1 Carbine

13 gr 2400 - 1900 fps

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14 gr 4227 1959 fps (est)

or where you looking for 30/30 loads?
Ackley has 21 gr 2400

don't know if these are powders you're considering. hope it helps
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I was looking for 30/30 loads.I did just come across the 2400 load data. But that is around 31 grains for a 100 gr plinker. I am a handguner and used to 4-5 grains

There is one in one of manuals using Unique but it is a much heavier lead bullet.

I was just trying to save my 223 powders. Proably better off just to buy the heavy lead bullet and then use 7.5gr of Unique
I hate cleaning lead from rifles though. It's a Marlin micro.
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There are a few tricks for Micro Groove bores since they have very shallow lands and wide grooves.

Use a hard bullet at least around 12 BHN or higher so it gets a better grip and doesn't skid on the shallow lands,a gas check bullet is a plus to help with that as well as help seal the bore.

Keep the MV around 1600 to 1800 fps.

Cast the bullet fat enough so it fills the grooves,a .310" dia. cast bullet is a good start as most 30-30 have big throats.
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