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I find myself with an abundance of Win 296, since I don't shoot skeet any more. Has anyone found load data for this powder for 380, 38 special, 40 or 45. Just looking for a light target load so I can use up the powder. I would hate to use it up as fertilizer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:56 PM
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296 is great powder in some calibers but the ones you note just do not fit.The closest one is 40 Smith but I see no loads for such a slow (relatively) powder.
My 32 H&R loves the stuff!!Don't throw it out sell it if you have a fair quantity on hand.
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Winchester 296/Hogdon H110 is a powder which cannot and must not be used for light metallic cartridge loads! It is suitable only for full power magnum handgun loads and .30 Carbine loads. W296 is slow burning and needs a case full to ensure complete ignition.

Great powder for the heaviest .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum loads. See if you can trade someone for some HP 38/ W 231, Bulleye or Accurate #2- those are what you need and all are a bit cheaper than W296 so someone may trade.
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Nope, none of those cartridges can be loaded with that powder. W296/H110, the exact same powder, is for use in magnum only calibers. Downloading it will cause squibs and other real problems........
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Not to pile on but the above comments are correct. W296 is one of the slowest magnum powders available. Add the fact it does not react well to downloading it's a very poor choice for what you are looking to reload.

It's time to buy a new gun, W296 works very well in the 30 Carbine! lol
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Update your profile with your location. Perhaps there is someone in your area that you can barter powder with

Personally, I burn through lots of H110/296, but then 357 and 41 magnums are favorites of mine.
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If by 45 you mean 45 Colt and not 45 ACP, it is a great powder for high end Ruger Blackhawk or Vaquero loads, or Marlin/Winchester/Rossi lever action carbine loads (just not 1873 repros). It is not a powder suitable for plinking or light target loads.
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a great powder for long range handgun silhouette snot dripping, shoulder kicking, ram slamming loads....

in other words... not good for what you want..
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Thanks guys. I have 2-8# kegs and the seals are loose on both, so I wouldn't want to trade/sell them to anyone. I know I wouldn't buy powder from an open container.
BTW, I do have a 357 mag, 357 max and some 44 mags, just don't use them much.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:49 AM
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In today mad reloading economy that powder is worth something to someone,even if it is sold with a warning concerning being open.
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I find myself with an abundance of Win 296, since I don't shoot skeet any more. Has anyone found load data for this powder for 380, 38 special, 40 or 45. Just looking for a light target load so I can use up the powder. I would hate to use it up as fertilizer.
WW296 isn't suitable for any of thos calibers, but it is quite
good for .357 magnum and .44 magnum.
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Was googling this one, found this thread. An old skeet friend just gave me some, I do load and shoot the .41 mag, usually with Laser Cast 215's. Will the full power loads run these cast bullets too fast ? I do have some Rem 210 JSP that all my Model 57's like a lot. Any loads would be appreciated.
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Old 06-04-2014, 09:15 PM
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Thanks guys. I have 2-8# kegs and the seals are loose on both, so I wouldn't want to trade/sell them to anyone. I know I wouldn't buy powder from an open container.
BTW, I do have a 357 mag, 357 max and some 44 mags, just don't use them much.
As long as there's nothing wrong with it, I think there are a LOT of people that would buy 296 even if it is open. I mean if somebody dumped half a can of Bullseye in it, no, but otherwise...
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Thanks guys. I have 2-8# kegs and the seals are loose on both, so I wouldn't want to trade/sell them to anyone. I know I wouldn't buy powder from an open container.
BTW, I do have a 357 mag, 357 max and some 44 mags, just don't use them much.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the loose seals inside the caps. Just about any powder jug I have opened in the past year, the "seal" comes off with the cap. I know they have never been opened because they were still in the sealed cardboard shipping boxes from the factory. I'm only talking about Hodgdon/Winchester powder which are essentially the same manufacturer. Maybe they're having a common seal glue problem.
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Was googling this one, found this thread. An old skeet friend just gave me some, I do load and shoot the .41 mag, usually with Laser Cast 215's. Will the full power loads run these cast bullets too fast ? I do have some Rem 210 JSP that all my Model 57's like a lot. Any loads would be appreciated.
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No.It will be fine.
Laser cast are very hard cast bullets. I use H110/W 296 with hard cast bullets in 44 and 357 Mag I shoot very little 41 Mag but have used the powder with cast bullets and no gas checks.
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Thanks guys. I have 2-8# kegs and the seals are loose on both, so I wouldn't want to trade/sell them to anyone. I know I wouldn't buy powder from an open container.
BTW, I do have a 357 mag, 357 max and some 44 mags, just don't use them much.
Well then, you are set. In your original post you just mentioned the wrong cartridges. W296(H110) works great in the .357 Mag, .357 Max and .44 Mag so I guess it's time to break out those guns.

One thing, W296 does not like to be downloaded so it's really only for full power magnum loads and it also advisable to use magnum primers too.

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I just noticed this thread is well over a year old so I'm guessing the OP had figured out a use for the powder or already sold it off! LOL
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Don't forget about the .22 Hornet. My most useful load in the Hornet uses 296.

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Treat yourself to a S&W 500 or 460 Magnum....that will get rid that pesky 296 in a hurry. Might need buddy to help share the abuse though
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Yes! It really shines with a rifle barrel. A 20" 1892 can launch a 240gr .44 at almost 2000fps!

I have late production Winchester / Miroku guns in both 44 and 357. W296 is definitely a performer in both.
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I use 296 for my .44mag and .357mag loads. Gives me great velocity without the pressure spikes of some other powders. As PaulWVa said they will blow a ball of flame in the shorter barrel revolvers.
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I have to view all these claims about "downloading" and squib problems with a somewhat jaundiced view. Because my most accurate load for my 1892 Winchester Short Rifle in 357 Magnum is 14.8 grains of H110/W296 with a 158 grain Hornady XTP. If you check Hodgdon's data you will see that this is actually BELOW Hodgdon's starting data. However it is a low midrange load in the Hornady 9th. Point is there is a LOT of varaitions in charge weights between different sources with this powder. IMO using a Magnum primer is a must with this powder and it's best to explore multiple sources of data when working up a new load.

When I am seeing/shooting at my best I've shot this combination to just under 1 inch at 100 yards. BTW, try doing that with a Mables Peep sight and you'll understand my reference to "seeing" well. Really do miss they days when I had 20/10 vision and could read 2 point type without any aid.

I have also found that H110/W296 is also a marvelous powder to use for loading the 300 Blackout. In fact having compared loads using H110 and LilGun I have to say that H110 is the MOST accurate powder I've found for the 300 BLK and for me this means sub 3/4 MOA from my 16 inch carbine with a cheap 9 power scope on a Burris quick change mount. Note, I normally shoot this rifle with either irons or a QC Reflex sight but the scope does see use for load development or playing around at 100-200 yards.
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First of all, welcome to the forums.

Second, you bumped a 3 year old thread to ask your question. You would have been better off starting a new thread with your question on 296.

Finally, to answer your question, 296 is a great 44 Mag powder for high velocity loads, especially in a rifle. The non-vented chamber of a rifle along with the long barrel gives complete combustion with 296 or H110 (same powder, different name). I've had real good results with it and 240 grain bullets out of my Browning B92, which has a 20 inch barrel.
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Guys, this thread is over 4 years old. I'm sure the OP figured out what to do with his powder by now!
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I have also found that H110/W296 is also a marvelous powder to use for loading the 300 Blackout.
Well, the 300 Blk is the AR world's answer to the 30 Carbine , so it's logical a powder developed for the 30 Carbine would work great in 300 Blk.
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296 is way too slow for those cartridges.
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Hello!!! 4 year old thread!!!
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As you a re being advised, 296 is intended for full power loads and is not suitable for light loads especially in the cartridges you mention.
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I have to view all these claims about "downloading" and squib problems with a somewhat jaundiced view. Because my most accurate load for my 1892 Winchester Short Rifle in 357 Magnum is 14.8 grains of H110/W296 with a 158 grain Hornady XTP. If you check Hodgdon's data you will see that this is actually BELOW Hodgdon's starting data. However it is a low midrange load in the Hornady 9th. Point is there is a LOT of varaitions in charge weights between different sources with this powder. IMO using a Magnum primer is a must with this powder and it's best to explore multiple sources of data when working up a new load.

When I am seeing/shooting at my best I've shot this combination to just under 1 inch at 100 yards. BTW, try doing that with a Mables Peep sight and you'll understand my reference to "seeing" well. Really do miss they days when I had 20/10 vision and could read 2 point type without any aid.

I have also found that H110/W296 is also a marvelous powder to use for loading the 300 Blackout. In fact having compared loads using H110 and LilGun I have to say that H110 is the MOST accurate powder I've found for the 300 BLK and for me this means sub 3/4 MOA from my 16 inch carbine with a cheap 9 power scope on a Burris quick change mount. Note, I normally shoot this rifle with either irons or a QC Reflex sight but the scope does see use for load development or playing around at 100-200 yards.
296/110 takes pressure to burn completely. It needs a heavy bullet with a stiff crimp in short barreled guns and as you see it can burn well with a long barrel and a medium weight bullet as that gives it the resistance needed to burn.
You are on your own when a manufacturer says "Absolutely do not go below starting levels" and you precede to tell the internet what a great idea it is to do so.
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