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Accurate #2 in 44 magnum???
Does anyone use Accurate #2 in their 44 magnum reloads? I can't find any data on #2 for 44 mag. Any help would be appreciated. Looking for around 800 fps with a 240 gr. SWC for silhouette shooting.
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Accurate #2 is a fast powder like Bullseye, W231/HP38 and 700X, as such it is far from ideal in a large case such as the .44 Magnum! If you can find data, the charges will be very low volume compared to case capacity. Low volume in a large case usually results in inconsistent ignition and wide extreme velocity spreads which cause mediocre accuracy at best.
The 44 Mag demands powders in the medium fast burning range
for light loads. Unique, Accurate #5, Universal, etc. are much more likely to give satisfactory results. Check each powder manufacturers web sites for the latest data.
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Mitch,
Doubtful that you will find #2 listed anywhere for .44 magnum.
Alliant does, however, list a 44 Special max load of #2 under 249 grain lead at 4.7 grains, for a velocity of 819 FPS.
If I was in your spot, I'd start at 4.9 and work up as needed. As noted above, it will likely be pretty erratic.
That said, uncertain what silhouette game its for, but, when I shot IHMSA years ago a good load to slam the rams at 200M was a 240 FMJ over 22.0 of 2400.
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It's not something I'd do.
I can't see such a mismatch being worth the risk or aggravation.
But, that's just me?
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The fact that you can't find any data for Accurate #2 is a hint that it might not be recommended.
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Most times when you can't find load data for a powder/bullet combination for a cartridge there is a very good reason.
AA#2 is too fast a powder for use in a .44 Magnum even when only generating .44 Special pressures. The 240gr bullet is just too heavy for that powder, pressures will peak well before you achieve the velocities you're trying for. AA#5 will be much better choice for that job and AA#9 will work well for full power .44 Magnum rounds.
For load data to push a 240gr SWC to 800 fps look at the data for a 44 Special using AA#5. According to Accurate 6.8gr to 7.0gr will get you close.
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Judging by Accurates load data on line, the best you could hope for would be "powder puff" type loads, and you'd have to develop your own data to get it. Is this the only powder available to you?
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I have used bullseye but it is such a dirty burning powder. I also have AA#5 and #9 but they are hotter than i would like for silhouette shooting.
AA#2 from what i have read is just a little slower burning powder than bullseye and i have load data on it. I was just wondering if anyone had ever used AA#2 in their 44 loads.
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For 200 yard shooting you need some serious energy. I used to ring rams with a 10 inch 357 Max Contender. The best you could hope for would be about 900 fps. At those velocities, the bullet would drop like a rock, and getting sight settings could be tricky. Best of luck in your search!
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Contact Accurate, they have unpublished data including #2 loads for 44 mag up to what I would call moderate magnum loads. Just don't double charge, ~ 20 gr of #2 behind a 240 gr bullet would be 'memorable'.
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For 200 yard shooting you need some serious energy. I used to ring rams with a 10 inch 357 Max Contender. The best you could hope for would be about 900 fps. At those velocities, the bullet would drop like a rock, and getting sight settings could be tricky. Best of luck in your search!
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Our silhouette matches are 40, 50, 75 and 100 yards, I think they call it hunter pistol.
Thanks for all the help.
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NRA Hunter Pistol. That's where the confusion came from. Now I'm gonna flip on you. Consider lighter bullets for short course. I used 110 gr .357 mags, loaded really hot for Hunter/Field Pistol. Perhaps 180 or 200 gr would work better, if available.
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I have used bullseye but it is such a dirty burning powder. I also have AA#5 and #9 but they are hotter than i would like for silhouette shooting.
AA#2 from what I have read is just a little slower burning powder than bullseye and I have load data on it. I was just wondering if anyone had ever used AA#2 in their 44 loads.
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AA#5 will be only as hot as you load it. Above I suggested a charge of between 6.8gr and 7.0gr AA#5 under a 240gr SWC bullet which would generate only lighter .44 Special pressures and probably right around the 900 fps you're looking for. Using the faster AA#2 would build more pressure at the same velocities which would probably translate into more felt recoil than the AA#5 load. I didn't nemtion W231/HP-38 before because you were asking about Accurate Arms powders but I'm 100% sure W231 will do what you need.
Sorry, I have never used AA#2 in a 44 Special/44 Magnum load so I can't tell you what the recoil is like.
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If you're looking for a 44 Mag load for 240 SWC check out Trail Boss. This is a very bulky powder and was developed by IMR for cowboy action shooting. It gives low velocity loads but is bulky enough to take up a lot of space in large capacity handgun cases. Works great.
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Mitch,
Accurate's Number One Loading Guide ('94) shows No.2 for the .44 Mag. w/240 gr. LSWC.
Starting @ 9.0 gr- 1126 fps to 10.0 gr-1280 fps, 40,000 C.U.P.
Hope this helps.
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Mitch,
Accurate's Number One Loading Guide ('94) shows No.2 for the .44 Mag. w/240 gr. LSWC.
Starting @ 9.0 gr- 1126 fps to 10.0 gr-1280 fps, 40,000 C.U.P.
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Homie,
I knew I had seen Accurate No. 2 used in 44 magnum but could not for the life of me find it.
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The 2007 thru 2010 AA load booklets do not list AA-2 or AA-5 in any of their 44 mag loads however the 2000 thru 2005 editions do.
These are max loads so be sure to reduce start loads and work up if you use any of these, especially in a lighter framed gun or even in a S&W. For information only... I don't recommend using as is and although not indicated, these may be specific to the heavy duty Ruger.
CCI-300 7.5" Ruger Redhawk
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240 gr LSWC - 9.0 @ 1178 to 10.0 @1280 fps oal 1.560"
180 JHP Hornady 10.0@ 1328 to 11.1 @ 1444 fps 1.56"
200 JHP Nosler 9.9 @ 1235 to 11.0 @ 1342 fps 1.595"
240 JHP IMI 10.0 @ 1250 fps 1.56"
240 Rainier FP 9.3 @ 1161 to 10.3 @ 1262
Be aware that many of their past loads have been full pressure, to say the least and may even be over pressure by today's SAAMI standards. I would give AA a call before using these just to double check.
Like many have indicated, AA-2 is very fast for the case capacity and there are better choices available.
I noticed you are looking for 800 fps.... under 44 Spl they do show a 245 LRN with 4.2 @ 753 to 4.7 Max of AA-2 clocking 819 fps at 1.6"oal (which is a Mag length- so why did they list this under the Spl heading... [probably] a typo and should be 1.48" or thereabouts.)
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I don't understand half the posts in this thread. The OP is asking about pushing a 240gr SWC bullet 900fps, many of the answers act like they didn't read that part...
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I'll answer Coyotehunter's original question, "Don't use Accurate Arms #2 pwder in a 44 magnum case!" This answer is based on personal experience using AA data from Manual #1.
AA #2 burn rate is too fast for 44 mag cases. I could not find a "mid-range" load. Starting load was a soft pop until a certain point when the load became maximum bang. There was no happy middle, either mouse loads or war loads. Fortunately this experimmenting was done in a Ruger Redhawk before I owned my M629. The last 5 of the last 6 rounds fired, had to be forced out of the cylinder with a screwdriver.
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I'll answer Coyotehunter's original question, "Don't use Accurate Arms #2 pwder in a 44 magnum case!" This answer is based on personal experience using AA data from Manual #1.
AA #2 burn rate is too fast for 44 mag cases. I could not find a "mid-range" load. Starting load was a soft pop until a certain point when the load became maximum bang. There was no happy middle, either mouse loads or war loads. Fortunately this experimmenting was done in a Ruger Redhawk before I owned my M629. The last 5 of the last 6 rounds fired, had to be forced out of the cylinder with a screwdriver.
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Thanks for the first hand information. I think i will stick to bullseye.
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Based on my use of AA #2 in several calibers in years past including 45 Colt, 45 Auto, and 38 Special I found it to be very similar to W231 and HP-38. Not exactly the same, maybe a hair faster burning, but slower than Bullseye for sure.
A load like the original poster asked about should be quite easy to work up in 44 Magnum with a 240 gr cast bullet. It certainly was with 250 gr cast bullets in my 45 Colt at 800-850. A 900 fps load in a 44 Mag with its higher pressure rating should still be at very safe pressure.
Now that being said, AA # 5 can do this too and will cover a 240 gr up to a little higher velocity as well, 900 on up to 1200 with cast bullets. Past that and it's AA# 9, 2400, or H-110.
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AA powder has changed it's make up and currently Accurate says not to use any data from the load manual #1. I consider it a resource but have to have a second source to back up that data.
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44 Mag and DON'T use AA #2 from the Source
Load Data « Accurate Powders
The latest Accurate Arms load data. AA #2 does not have a listed load in 44 Magnum. They are a powder company and probably know more than we do about loading their powder.
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I can't find any data on #2 for 44 mag. Any help would be appreciated. Looking for around 800 fps with a 240 gr. SWC for silhouette shooting.
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Here is a link to a PDF showing the Accurate 2000 free manual page with .44 mag data using AA#2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3s0fdr618o...mag%202000.PDF
For a 800 fps load though I'd drop down to somewhere between 6.0 and 8.0 grains. This is still above the .44 spec loads so there's no real chance of sticking a bullet.
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IMO, AA #2 has changed since 2000. Please use current data for current powders. If your #2 preceded 2000 use the previous data.
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Does anyone use Accurate #2 in their 44 magnum reloads? I can't find any data on #2 for 44 mag. Any help would be appreciated. Looking for around 800 fps with a 240 gr. SWC for silhouette shooting.
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so my accurate arms 2 manual shows 9 grains AA#2. Gets 1126 fps in 7 1/2 inch barrel. I have used this same load and it is much softer than true magnum loads. Also accuracy is decent can keep 6 on pie plate at 100 yards from my 5 1/2 inch redhawk.
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I have used Accurate #2 in the 41 magnum very successfully , so no reason it won't work in the 44 magnum . The fact that it isn't listed by Western Powder Co doesn't mean it won't work . It just means they didn't think for " full ' magnum loads it was ideal. If Bullseye will work in the 44 magnum case , I can assure you #2 will work as well . You can start low and work up . It is a powder that has a " low " recoil effect . I love it in loads for about 850+ fps in the 41 magnum . I would give them a call . They have great customer service and tell them what you are looking for . Regards , Paul
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Sure you could use it. It's listed for .44 special, no? As long as you hold your loads to something not vastly exceeding .44 special spec, you'd be fine for light target loads in the Magnum.
I do essentially the same thing with my 629, with AA#5, which is a bit slower than #2 but is definitely not a magnum powder. AA doesn't list any loads for that, either, but it does for low-pressure .45 Colt; and since the bullet weight and cartridge capacity are about the same, I could extrapolate to the .44 magnum.*
So I'm running 240 grain hardcast SWC at around 1000 or 1050 fps, a step up from .44 spl but not a true magnum load. Accurate, fun, easy on gun and shooter.
It would be a whole different story if we tried to use #2 or #5 to push that bullet to 1300 fps. We'd blow something up, because those powders are just too fast for magnum loads.
But for lighter loads they're fine.
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Necro thread. It was a bad idea in 2013 and remains so today.
-EVERY- blown up .44 Mag revolver in human history that was blown up by a handloading error was blown up when some novice or ham-fisted bubba was using fast powder where he hasn’t the skill nor experience to do so.
If you have the skill and the experience then yes, it’s possible. If you are new to this game, this is literally THE most dangerous handloading you can do.
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Possibly the most far fetched caliber and powder combination that I've seen mentioned. Too much volume in the big 44 Mag case to get any kind of consistent velocity with the small amount of a too fast powder.
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Now I have to respectfully disagree here. My AA#5 loads in magnum cases are quite accurate.
No reason they shouldn't be. Small charges of even faster powders in large cases like .38 spl and 45 ACP can produce outstanding accuracy.
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FWIW, I have used AA#2 to load 200gr RNFP bullets starting with 10% above the max charge listed for 44 special to compensate for the slightly increased case volume. They shot very well. Haven't put any over a chrony yet, but they had just a little more OOMPH than the 44 special loads using the same bullets.
FWIW, and YMMV.
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Interesting you want to run #2 in a 44 mag, while on another thread there is a member wanting to use 2400 in 9mm. I wish y’all could just trade. 😁
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I've shot a fair amount of 200 gr cast with 10 gr AA 2. Works for a moderate magnum load, just have to be super extra special careful about charge weight. 2 meters great so it's more making sure the scale was read right on the test throws and don't double charge.
For an extreme example of small charges in big cases, I've made mouse loads in 30-06 with 6-8 gr AA 2 and 180 gr cast bullets. Grouping isn't bad at all, with a little work I could get under an inch at 25 yds.
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Just not a true statement. You can use any pistol powder in any caliber & safely make it go bang. If aa#2 is good in 44sp, its also good in 44mag.
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Necro thread. It was a bad idea in 2013 and remains so today.
-EVERY- blown up .44 Mag revolver in human history that was blown up by a handloading error was blown up when some novice or ham-fisted bubba was using fast powder where he hasn’t the skill nor experience to do so.
If you have the skill and the experience then yes, it’s possible. If you are new to this game, this is literally THE most dangerous handloading you can do.
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