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Old 09-18-2013, 04:21 AM
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I don't know if this question has been asked a thousand times, but search didn't help me to come to a conclusion. I would like to replace VV powders for my proven 44 special loads of 7 grs VV N340 with a 255 gr cast SWC / 9 gres VV N340 with a 200 grs cast SWC because of production stop of VV next year. I tried some other propellants, but did not reach the same level of accuracy with flake powders, so I want to try ball powders. There are some good hints to use AA #5, but AA loading manual shows only velocities of not more than 950 fps for the 200 grs and 860 for the 240 grs bullets. Would it be appropriate to use #7 for loads that reach about 950 fps with 240-250 grs bullets? Something like the Skeeter load with #7 instead of Unique? I don't like flake powders...

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Old 09-18-2013, 08:19 AM
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Default Accurate Arms Data Manual #1

44 Special 7-1/2" barrel

200 gr LSWC
#5 7.4 gr @ 959 fps max load, start load 6.4 gr @ 876 fps
#7 9.5 gr @ 992 fps max load, start load 8.6 gr @ 873 fps

250 gr LSWC
#5 7.0 gr @ 864 fps max load, start load 6.3 gr @ 760 fps
#7 9.0 gr @ 885 fps max load, start load 8.1 gr @ 779 fps

EDIT: This data is from a manual that is 10 years old at least. The 44 mag data can be potent. I don't load 44 Spl, but I have put MAX 44 SPL loads in a 44 mag case and the loads were pleasant to shoot compared to the 44 mag data. I'm offering information directly from the manual, nothing else.

I will say that AA2230 load data (FROM THIS MANUAL) for .223 Rem / 5.56 NATO is HOT when approaching max charges.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:43 AM
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daimler1989,

NAMMO, the parent company of Lapua is in the process of purchasing the Finland VV plant.

They are in the DUE DILIGENCE phase of the process.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:29 PM
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@Moonman

thanks for this info, hope they will settle their deal pretty soon to prevent me to switch over to other brands

@Engineer1911

thanks, seems as if #5 and #7 don't push the envelope too far in .44 Special. Or is AA very conservative with their loading data?

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:55 PM
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Daimler1989,

I hope so too, I LOVE VV pistol powders,

I don't shoot rifles generally.
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I use both #5 & #7 along with #9 all are good powders, In my opinion I think Accurate is conservative in there load data. That being said you are starting with a new powder so you have to work up your load to where you want it and are getting the results you want all the while looking for signs of problems. I load #9 in my Ruger Blackhawk 44 Mag with good results. These powders you meter well and are pretty clean burning.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:19 PM
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Daimler, you might look into AA 9. Check in the AA manual #2 pg. 131. That shows loads over 950 fps. with a 200 gr. SWC.
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