|
|
01-05-2014, 09:15 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: gone
Posts: 1,001
Likes: 801
Liked 2,743 Times in 564 Posts
|
|
Tumbler Media Questions
How long do you fellas use Walnut media before changing it? What do you recommend or not recommend be added to it? I use Brasso sometimes, but read in one of my reloading manuals that Ammonia is bad for gun bores (Brasso has lots of ammonia). I tumble mostly 45 ACP, 38 spl, and 357.
|
01-05-2014, 10:02 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Liked 33 Times in 27 Posts
|
|
In the past I used nothing but Lyman's corncob media and two capfuls of Cabela's polishing solution.
A few days ago I read in the Guns & Ammo book by Patrick Sweeney "Reloading For Handgunners" that Lyman makes their corncob media with polishing goop already mixed in.
Knowing this, my future vibrating will be even easier and less expensive since I'll no long need the Cabela's polishing solution.
When the media starts turning from gray to black in color that's when I change out the media. It just depends on how dirty the brass is to start with. Two hours of vibrating is sufficient.
Last edited by M&PUSER; 01-05-2014 at 10:07 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-05-2014, 10:21 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Lexington, Ky.
Posts: 224
Likes: 85
Liked 135 Times in 64 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by skrazo
How long do you fellas use Walnut media before changing it? What do you recommend or not recommend be added to it? I use Brasso sometimes, but read in one of my reloading manuals that Ammonia is bad for gun bores (Brasso has lots of ammonia). I tumble mostly 45 ACP, 38 spl, and 357.
|
Ammonia is not very compatible with brass either. Ammonia is great for removing organic residue, but it does attack brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, ammonia forms a soluble ion Cu(NH3)4, so every time brass is exposed to ammonia you lose a little bit of copper. The amount of ammonia needed is not very great to damage brass although the wear and tear of shooting will probably wear out the brass quicker than the ammonia will. This is a much larger problem in cold-metal drawn cartridges than in annealed cartridge since there is less strain internally.
Alot of bore cleaners, see T-14, have ammonia-like compounds (meaning some sort of soluble nitrogen base) and are common components of copper removing solutions. I wouldn't worry too much about hurting your bore with the residual ammonia on your brass. Also, ammonia is volatile, if there is much time between tumbling with ammonia and shooting, the ammonia will have either complexed with the copper or evaporated.
I would offer an alternative specifically for tumbling but I don't tumble, just thought I would throw in my 2 cents chemistry wise. However, at harbor freight they do sell some solution to re-vitalize tumbling media, not sure if it would be useful here though.
|
01-05-2014, 10:51 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: CT
Posts: 145
Likes: 9
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
|
|
I use corn cob media, in the pet supplies at Walmart, and add a capful of NuFinish to each batch. I use the same batch of corn cob for 2-3 tumblings, then pitch it and start with new media. It gets pretty dirty in those few cleanings.
|
01-05-2014, 11:32 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: illinois
Posts: 6,296
Likes: 1,850
Liked 6,685 Times in 2,117 Posts
|
|
I use corncobs that I add Turtle Wax to. When it takes longer to clean your brass, pitch it.
|
01-05-2014, 11:50 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Fruitland Idaho
Posts: 5,076
Likes: 1,586
Liked 4,882 Times in 2,025 Posts
|
|
When I used to tumble (I use SS pins now), I'd add some fine polishing liquid (I had lots around from polishing cars). It worked better than car wax. Nufinish worked well too but I think it's more of a polish than a wax.
__________________
Minimize the variables
|
01-05-2014, 11:59 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: sunny Orygun
Posts: 2,910
Likes: 392
Liked 307 Times in 195 Posts
|
|
I use the medium coarse walnut shell, 25# box from HF about 10 years ago still has a couple good shots left unused. Price was about $9 then.
I like the citrus smell of ?Franklin? but it cost too much so I stick mostly with a cap or 2 of the Blue Dillon cleaner. Jug lasts me a long time, & even with shooting a couple matches a month plus practice plus a buddy throwing his in too, I change mine about once a year if the run-time increases much past 20-30 minutes. My revolvers don't make the brass too dirty these days.
__________________
Dum vivimus Vivamas
|
01-06-2014, 08:41 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Posts: 4,482
Likes: 228
Liked 2,397 Times in 1,081 Posts
|
|
I use walnut media. Lizard litter from a pet store. I add a dollop or two of Dillon Polish. The walnut is a bit more abrasive than the corn cob. I pitch it when it won't clean the brass in a reasonable length of time, ie two-three hours. Or if it starts getting really black. There are some ceramic medias as well as the ss pins mentioned. Guess they last forever. Using a dryer sheet along with the media will prolong its life.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-09-2014, 01:16 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: A bit NorEast of Detroit
Posts: 200
Likes: 453
Liked 131 Times in 67 Posts
|
|
Yup...I agree and use the same method/materials as epj
__________________
Armed and Dangerous
|
01-09-2014, 05:35 PM
|
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 4,388
Likes: 9,733
Liked 7,187 Times in 2,603 Posts
|
|
I just finished cleaning a load of 9s with Lymans Turbo tumbler media, tumbled for two hours, came out as shiny as new brass. I might try the dryer sheet idea, that sounds interesting.
|
01-09-2014, 05:40 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: nebraska
Posts: 987
Likes: 1,406
Liked 936 Times in 372 Posts
|
|
Before I went to SS pins, I could get about 25 uses out of corn cob media before it was too dirty to work effectively. A few less if I was cleaning lube off rifle cases.
|
01-09-2014, 08:59 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Phoenix Arizona, USA
Posts: 921
Likes: 0
Liked 1,365 Times in 483 Posts
|
|
25 lbs of fine walnut from HarbFreight, $17. That's enough to fill my tumbler many, many times. I fill it with enough to reach about 3/4 up the sidewalls of the tumbler. Add about one cap full of NuFinish and one cap full of odorless mineral spirits.
Tumbling for any longer than about an hour does no noticible difference. But the other night I did 3 hrs and it seemed to scrub the inside of the primer pockets very well.
If it still cleans in an hour or so, I assume it's still good, don't add or change.
Sometimes I add some squares of paper towels. Sometimes I don't.
Sgt Lumpy
|
01-09-2014, 09:15 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 3,525
Likes: 11,149
Liked 12,127 Times in 1,938 Posts
|
|
I've been using walnut media for years. I add about a teaspoon of Brasso every run or 2. I polish my brass to get clean, not win beauty contests... 30 to 45 minutes usually. The brass and media both seem to last forever--and I was reloading 45's & 9's for submachine guns which produced pretty dirty brass. Now, I just polish my 38/357s and 44/44mags. I'd throw the media away when it took longer than about 45 minutes to clean the brass. By then it was about black.
__________________
Randy
Provenance nerd
|
01-09-2014, 11:30 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Augusta, GA
Posts: 6,125
Likes: 6,652
Liked 6,168 Times in 2,672 Posts
|
|
I'm using WW Grainger ground corn cob I bought in 1996. I just keep adding to the original load as it depletes. Midway polishing compound and a used dryer sheet to trap trash. Tumbling brass is an expense, not an investment, so you got to keep expenses down. How else can one afford a Thumler's Tumbler? Can't be wasting those greenbacks.
__________________
S&WHF 366
|
01-09-2014, 11:31 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Reno Nv
Posts: 13,401
Likes: 3,189
Liked 12,760 Times in 5,686 Posts
|
|
Sounds like you guys have a good thing going for you........
I think I will give it a try.
Its got to work better than my...........
egg shells and old coffee grounds.
Happy new year to all.
|
01-10-2014, 12:42 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Mooresville NC
Posts: 598
Likes: 234
Liked 249 Times in 131 Posts
|
|
I used corncob media for years and added Flitz media additive which is a little pricey. I got a 50 lb bag of walnut from a friend for free and I used NuFinish to help polish the brass. It worked great until my tumbler gave up on me and I had been toying with the idea of trying stainless pins in a rock tumbler. My girlfriend got me a rock tumbler for Christmas and I wet tumble with stainless pins now. If I used anything besides the stainless pins it would be the walnut and NuFinish. The walnut lasts longer than the corncob media. I added NuFinish as needed and I would toss the media when it started taking too long to get the desired results.
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|