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02-17-2014, 09:02 PM
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Any other pistol powder look like Bullseye?
Trying to identify the powder in a 45acp load that my uncle got from a friend. He has 150 or so of these loaded up with an expensive HP. It's 4.8-5.0gr of powder in all the rounds I've pulled apart and weighed. Powder looks just like Bullseye. Just wandering if y'all know of any others similar to Bullseye in appearance. I only load Bullseye, Unique, and Titegroup so far so don't have much to compare it with. Thanks
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02-17-2014, 09:25 PM
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Pull the rest, dump the powder & save the bullets/brass. Not worth the risk.
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02-17-2014, 09:27 PM
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Not a good idea to identify powder by looks only, just too risky, personally I would pull and save the bullets and empty brass for future use and dump the powder, shooting other peoples reload of usure origin isn't a smart things to do, IMHO
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02-17-2014, 09:31 PM
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This is a simple question to answer! The answer is: READ ALL THE ABOVE POSTS!
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02-17-2014, 09:50 PM
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+1...........
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02-17-2014, 09:54 PM
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Good advice from all. Heed it!
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02-17-2014, 10:37 PM
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5 grains isn't going to be an overload with any powder I can think of in .45 acp...............but pulling down reloads you aren't certain about is always the safest course.
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+1;
I would rather have peace of mind of knowing what powder is in the case .....
than a guess on $1.80 or $2.00 worth of powder.
Stay safe.
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02-18-2014, 08:34 AM
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I've used a lot of Bullseye in the last several years and I know of no
other powder that looks very much like it. You have Bullseye to make
a visual comparison? I agree with the above poster that 5.0 grs of
nothing will be an overload. I would shoot them with no worries.
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02-18-2014, 08:42 AM
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A friend of an uncle and now you? You're the third in a chain of custody for this hand made ammunition.
It won't take long to disassemble 150 pieces.
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02-18-2014, 08:46 AM
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What kind of powder isn't really the issue since Bullseye is about as fast as there is and 5 grains isn't an overload in 45 ACP with any normal bullet weight. The question is do you trust your uncle's friend enough to be sure there isn't a double charged cartridge?
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02-18-2014, 09:56 AM
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I too have used Bullseye, but I truly doubt there is anybody here that has used and is familiar with ALL THE BRANDS and ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES of powders so to err on the side of caution, pull them and reload them like others before me have posted - just to be safe!
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02-18-2014, 12:06 PM
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I was not clear in my first post. I don't plan on shooting any of these rounds through my 625. My uncle owns several 1911's and also a 625and has fired quite a few of these particular rounds already through his various pistols with very good results accuracy wise. He only has about 150 of this load left and asked me if I could duplicate the load for him since I load 45acp. These loads were built by his friend in Washington state several years ago. The friend cannot locate the details to this load (powder charge & bullet) and the load data was not on the box. The powder looks to be Bullseye but again I was just wanting to know if anyone was aware of another powder similar in appearance to Bullseye. If this powder can only possibly be Bullseye then I feel ok telling my uncle this. If there's any chance that it is something else then I'll tell him that and he can move on. No biggie. Again, I won't be shooting anyone else's loads through my $1,000 revolver because I can't afford to replace it (or a hand) if the thing goes boom. My uncle, against my advice, will shoot just about anything that'll feed into his pistols. Thanks for yall's help in the matter. My advice to him will be to finish the remaining loads if he wants and then we can work up another load using Bullseye and the normal load development steps.
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02-18-2014, 01:54 PM
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I was not clear in my first post. I don't plan on shooting any of these rounds through my 625. My uncle owns several 1911's and also a 625and has fired quite a few of these particular rounds already through his various pistols with very good results accuracy wise. He only has about 150 of this load left and asked me if I could duplicate the load for him since I load 45acp. These loads were built by his friend in Washington state several years ago. The friend cannot locate the details to this load (powder charge & bullet) and the load data was not on the box. The powder looks to be Bullseye but again I was just wanting to know if anyone was aware of another powder similar in appearance to Bullseye. If this powder can only possibly be Bullseye then I feel ok telling my uncle this. If there's any chance that it is something else then I'll tell him that and he can move on. No biggie. Again, I won't be shooting anyone else's loads through my $1,000 revolver because I can't afford to replace it (or a hand) if the thing goes boom. My uncle, against my advice, will shoot just about anything that'll feed into his pistols. Thanks for yall's help in the matter. My advice to him will be to finish the remaining loads if he wants and then we can work up another load using Bullseye and the normal load development steps.
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There are several reloading manuals out there that have very good pics of all the powder..or if you have some bullseye put two little piles together and examine them under a magnifier. Then if you think it is bulls eye start low and work up. MJ
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02-18-2014, 02:50 PM
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To answer your original question. Yes, Alliant 2400 powder looks like Bulleye powder. To be safe with unknown reloads, it is best to pull the bullets and discard to powder.
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02-18-2014, 03:00 PM
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Everything I've ever read on reloading said do not try to visually identify an unknown powder. It should not be hard to find a published load your uncle will be happy with.
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My advice to him will be to finish the remaining loads if he wants and then we can work up another load using Bullseye and the normal load development steps.
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To me....this is the only option you have, since powder type confirmation would take more than just a visual look-see. Doing so may end up with you finding an even better load combo. As for your dad shooting the reloads, I think it comes down to a matter of trust. Sounds like your dad has been shooting these cartridges for years with excellent results. If he originally trusted the reloads, this meant he had confidence in his friends abilities and diligence. He must have the same to shoot your reloads. Is he smart to trust you or foolish to shoot them because someone other than he, loaded them? While I don't shoot reloads that have a unknown source, I do shoot reloads from folks that I know have the same skills and mindset that I do when it comes to reloading. I do so without fear because I know they are as safe and as careful as I am. It sounds like your dad's friend fits those traits. Always amazes me that to many re-loaders, no one else can produce safe quality ammo but them.
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A lot of powders look sim, trying to ID one from another can be hazardous to your health. My simple rule, I don't shoot other reloads.
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02-18-2014, 04:53 PM
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Smell it, taste it you still will not know for sure.Let him shoot them then you load new ones.
4.8 gr or 5.0 of BE is, and has been the standard GI load for 45 ACP for a gazillion years. Either the 230 or 200 gr rn bullet.
Not a whole lot of load development is needed.
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Thanks for all the input guys. I'm just gonna let him finish the batch as provided by his buddy and that'll be the end of that. Already worked up numerous loads using Bullseye as well as some other powders and they are all very accurate in both our 625's. Actually that's a whole 'nother thread but I have yet to try anything in this thing that doesn't shoot well. Anyways I don't have any of the 230gr JHP's that his buddy used for this load either and he can't remember what they were so I guess this was all just a big waste of time. Ha! It's ok, I'm sure yall like giving advice and I like reading everyone's thoughts on the matter. Thanks again.
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For just 150 rounds I'd pull the bullets and dump the powder. If there were several hundred rounds I'd save the powder and start experimenting.
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