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Old 04-26-2014, 08:04 AM
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I just bought an 8lb jug of AR-Comp from my local LGS. When I got it home and removed the cap, it appeared not to be sealed. No seal on the mouth of the bottle. I called the LGS and they said all their bottles of Alliant powder were this way. I have never seen this before. I have bottles of Bullseye and Unique on my shelves that have seals and all the bottles I have bought before have had visible seals.

Apparently, Alliant powders are now being delivered to distributors with new seals on the containers. It seems to just be Alliant powders. I called their hq and they said that new seals come up with the cap, but stated they are sealed. I don't see how this is ok when anybody can lift the cap and either put something in or take something out without anybody knowing it. Going forward I'll avoid Alliant powders until this changes back to the way it was. How much money can they be saving?

It's only a matter of time before somebody somewhere reports that this led to something bad and a lawsuit gets started, not to mention the real potential for some sicko to adulterate a bottle of powder.

I urge all reloaders who use Alliant powders to let the company know this is unacceptable
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Old 04-26-2014, 08:33 AM
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Well, for such a minor issue from a standpoint of packaging versus piece of mind why wouldn't they ship a container that has a stout seal?

The pro's and con's of that are pretty one sided all day long...
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Old 04-26-2014, 09:02 AM
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I don't know why they all don't come with that safety ring attached like a soda bottle.
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Old 04-26-2014, 09:12 AM
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Saw your post on the Sig forum I use American select and the last lb I got had the seal in the cap not fixed to the bottle I don't think there is anything to worry about as far as any tampering as most dealers don't allow returns on powders, and certainly they wouldn't jeopardize there reputation, I am sure they know the liability issue involved.
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Old 04-26-2014, 09:30 AM
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Eight pound jugs of Bullseye and Unique that I got in new from the distributor last year both had the seals pushed up into the tops of the lids, not secured to the mouths of the jugs. Maybe an adhesive issue.
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Old 04-26-2014, 02:25 PM
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Saw your post on the Sig forum I use American select and the last lb I got had the seal in the cap not fixed to the bottle I don't think there is anything to worry about as far as any tampering as most dealers don't allow returns on powders, and certainly they wouldn't jeopardize there reputation, I am sure they know the liability issue involved.
the powder in a lot of the LGS I go into is out on the shelves. Nothing to stop anybody from tampering with them while no one is watching. That's what I'm concerned about.
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Old 04-27-2014, 03:07 AM
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I've noticed, & thought the same thing some time ago. It's hard to believe the way everything else get's sealed tightly that they wouldn't see the value, & security, in doing a better job of it! It should be glued so hard that you have to cut the center out with a knife, leaving no doubt it's been opened. This is one reason I'm leery about buying powder at the gun shows too. Makes no sense.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:44 AM
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Most manufacturers learned from the Tylenol debacle years ago.

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Old 04-27-2014, 10:28 AM
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Same here, I purchased unique last month, and no seal.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:03 AM
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Hodgdon jugs are kind of hit or miss as to whether the seal is attached to the mouth of the jug or not. Guess I have never thought to worry about it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:15 PM
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A 50 cent bottle of water can have a sealed cap, but a 30 buck bottle of gun powder won't support the cost?

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Old 04-27-2014, 03:29 PM
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Water is not giving off solvents when fresh. Maybe the solvents killed the glue.
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Old 04-27-2014, 03:48 PM
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Sometimes the cardboard or foam disc is on top of the bottle, sometimes it's in the lid. Even when it is on the bottle, there's scant evidence of any adhesive.

I never thought about it before but...

The odds are pretty steep that anyone would do something to mess with powder and I guess I don't have time to worry about it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 05:05 PM
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Any chemical type substance, just as medication, food should have a safety seal on it.

I agree it is probably not high on someones list to tamper with nor is it probably easy to do, but heck these days anything is at risk!
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:55 AM
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I checked 2 1 lb containers of Unique that were unused, 2012 & 2013 vintage both had a seal in the cap and on the container. The 2013 seal on the container was loose on about 1/3 of the circumference. I would volunteer to go check the powder on the shelves in all the stores around here but there is none.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:35 AM
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It's not a deal breaker, but I'd feel better with a seal and I'm surprised that Alliant eliminated it.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:28 PM
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Well since there is no powder to be had its not really a problem. Maybe when there is powder to be had it will become something to worry about.
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Old 04-30-2014, 02:31 AM
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Water is not giving off solvents when fresh. Maybe the solvents killed the glue.
The seal on the water bottle is a plastic ring that needs to be broken to remove the cap, at least on some. That way on my Mountain Dew bottles, also.
Seems like a good thing for powder bottles.

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Old 04-30-2014, 03:36 AM
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Most manufacturers learned from the Tylenol debacle years ago.

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I worked for McNeil during both Tylenol crises. Back then it was "Holy $#%^ who would do such a thing?" followed quickly by "Geez, it's so easy why hasn't it happened before?"

30+ years ago methods of sealing (capsules and) containers had to be invented, and were fairly expensive. Now there are a large number of fairly inexpensive, standard solutions to sealing caps . . . though the rest of the container remains vulnerable. There's also more to it than just than a tamper-evident seal - for example, what to do with returns due to broken seals.

Powder manufacturers should re-think how easy an unsealed cap is for an anti-gun group to create a situation that would excuse another tier of regulation on powder shipment, storage, and purchase.

Maybe they are thinking "Who would do such a thing?" lol.
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Just checked an 8# jug of Win AutoComp. I was sealed.
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Better be careful what we ask for. Powder manufacturers will probably start sealing powder jugs in those plastic bubbles that you can't open with a pair of scissors or side cutters. Of course the plastic will be 10x bigger than the jug to keep you from walking out of the store with an 8# jug of Bullseye in your pocket.
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VihtaVuori comes with a tear-off seal on its cap, like milk and soap powder eg.
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Same here, I purchased unique last month, and no seal.
You found Unique??
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:17 AM
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You found Unique??


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I just checked a jug of Alliant 1200-R and 2000-MR and they are both sealed.
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I can't believe anyone at Alliant is stupid enough to think this lack of security is worth the few pennies it saves them. Some anti-gunner walks into a gunshop when everyone is busy, dumps some Bullseye into a jug of rifle powder, and leaves. Not everyone examines their powder, many just dump it into a measure and start loading. Once rifles start blowing up the recall could cost them MILLIONS. Pennywise and pound-foolish if you aks me.
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I have purchased 8 1lb bottles of unique and 4 1lb bottles of bullseye in the last couple months. All are new production from 2014. Everyone of them is sealed with a paper seal. In fact I've never seen one that is not sealed...
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I have purchased 8 1lb bottles of unique and 4 1lb bottles of bullseye in the last couple months. All are new production from 2014. Everyone of them is sealed with a paper seal. In fact I've never seen one that is not sealed...
If yours are like all the Alliant bottles I've purchased (Bluedot, Power Pistol, 2400) they do have a paper "seal" under the cap but it's not glued worth calling glued. You can lift it up easily, in fact they usually come up on their own when you open the cap & you're not even trying to remove it, rather than being a "tamper-proof" seal.
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I just checked some new Alliant 2014 8 lb jugs. The caps are sealed on like a water bottle or milk bottle so when you open it there will be a ring left that you can tell it was opened. I checked 4 different containers (including 2 Uniques) and they are all the same.
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