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Old 08-19-2014, 08:32 AM
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Do you separate your pistol brass by manufacturers head stamp or just mix all together by caliber?? I load 45 and 9mm for target shooting and separate them all. starting to get annoying!! LOL
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:39 AM
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as a rule I don't separate them, with the exception of seller& bellot 9mm as they have very tight primer pockets.
if I am loading carry loads I do use all the same cases, target loads don't get the treatment.
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Old 08-19-2014, 09:18 AM
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I separate mine. I have found that groups fired at 25yd.+ yards tend to string vertically with mixed brass. I guess it is due to the different internal capacities of different brands. I also save all my wadcutter brass for wadcutter loads as they are cannelured for such.
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Haven't separated cases in years.
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What "target shooting" are you doing with 9mm that you can tell a different POI with a different head stamp case??
Seriously?
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I am not that good shot to see the difference - no separation for me.
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I know a lot of folks at the gun club here that separate their brass by headstamp, personally I don't. My carry ammo is factory Hydroshock so it isn't a concern, my range ammo is various headstamps and I haven't noticed a significant difference in any of it. I can't shoot the wings off a fly at 20 yards with any of it anyway, if I hit a paper plate everytime I'm happy.
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I know a lot of folks at the gun club here that separate their brass by headstamp, personally I don't. My carry ammo is factory Hydroshock so it isn't a concern, my range ammo is various headstamps and I haven't noticed a significant difference in any of it. I can't shoot the wings off a fly at 20 yards with any of it anyway, if I hit a paper plate everytime I'm happy.
Ditto right down to the carry ammo.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:14 AM
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What's a headstamp? Is that like a clean primer pocket?
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:21 AM
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I segregate all of mine by headstamp, but I'll also admit that I really don't think it does anything except feed my OCD a little more. Of course I do a lot of contradictory things in my reloading habits. I sort by headstamp, refuse to weight-sort anything; I have to trim revolver & rifle brass, but trimming pistol brass is a waste of time. I'm not trying to say that one way is better than the other, it comes down to how anal do you want to be? If you've got the time & it makes you feel better, then go for it .

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I don't separate my 9mm brass since it is loaded for the others in the family. They all just pull the trigger and hope they hit the target........no big deal, so why bother ?

I do have a box of 50 that I use in testing loads with that are the same lot/make. After 5-6 reloads I toss them into the "Mixed" pile for light target loads.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:26 AM
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The only time I ever separated pistol cases was when loading .44 Mag for shooting competition in IHMS a long time ago. I have a friend who is a shooting buddy and he religiously separates all cases by headstamp. Can't tell it makes a difference at the distances we shoot.
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When sizing or flaring on a single stage press, I can most definitely feel the difference in dimension, thickness and hardness of different makes of brass. This is often so distinct that I have gotten pretty good at ID-ing the manufacturer by feel alone. (Especially true for R-P brass which is about the thinnest and weakest of all, Speer which is often shorter, Herters which is harder etc.)
If the variation is this noticeable, it simply must affect the neck tension and how the case grips the bullet, and thus accuracy,
I sort my brass by major headstamp but still end up with a residual amount of mixed leftovers which are not worth sorting down any further.
I can clearly tell the difference between mixed-lot groups and single headstamp groups which have far fewer fliers and unexplained misses.

This all, of course, is somewhat gun dependent as some guns are not particularly accurate with any ammo. It is, however, evident with higher accuracy guns where ammo deviation matters.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:53 AM
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What "target shooting" are you doing with 9mm that you can tell a different POI with a different head stamp case??
Seriously?
That's why I asked the question! Didn't say I noticed a difference, just wanted opinions if I was wasting my time
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Okay, yes... Unless you think no.
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I found most of the OCD details have less to do with the POI than most of my own variable daily attention to the basics of sight alignment and trigger control.

If I can make consistent "groups" of appropriate size rather than rat droppings in a dresser drawer pattern, I'm satisfied.

Recently I came up with 2 separate loads for my 627V8 PC at 40' that gave me 8 shots well in under 2" square. Most of them were touching each other. That works for my needs.
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I bought a bunch of "once fired" nickel cases both in .38 and .45. I must have a lot of time on my hands because I was curious as to how many different head stamps I had. I counted 15 different .45 ACP out of 1750 cases. I obviously didn't do this all at one time, it was over the time I took to de-cap and size them. I don't separate them when I'm reloading, just doesn't make any sense for me to do so.
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When I was shooting match's I would sort brass for match loads, but practice ammo is not sorted.
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I found most of the OCD details have less to do with the POI than most of my own variable daily attention to the basics of sight alignment and trigger control.
This ^^^ speaks volumes! It doesn't keep me from my little OCD quirks though, I've even been known to clean a primer pocket on occasion .

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Long, long ago in a different Minnesota Universe, I ordered 400 plastic fishing worms in the January. After four days with the high temperature of -15 F, I counted my rubber worms and sorted them by kind and color.

I was shocked!!! I only had 255 worms. I called Bass Pro Shop, reported the problem, they took my name and address. Five days later I received my second order of 400 plastic worms -- only the box was larger. When I finally got done counting and sorting worms, the total in the second order was 550.

I still have some of those plastic worms in my tackle box, but I don't sort brass by headstamps (only caliber), nor do I clean primer pockets. My bullseye groups have been terrible with matching brass, and incredible with mixed brass.

I need more coffee -- won't be decaf either!
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Long, long ago in a different Minnesota Universe, I ordered 400 plastic fishing worms in the January. After four days whith the high temperature of -15 F, I counted my rubber worms and sorted them by kind and color.

I was shocke!!! I only had 255 worms. I called Bass Pro Shop, reported the problem, they took my name and address. Five days later I received my second order of 400 plastic worms -- only the box was larger. When I finally got done counting sorting worms, the total in the second order was 550.

I still have some of those plastic worms in my tackle box, but I don't sort brass by headstamps (only caliber), not do I clean primer pockets. My bullseye groups have been terrible with matching brass, and incredible with mixed brass.

I need more coffee -- won't be decaf either!
Well anybody knows that Worms ain't no good in Mn. You gotta use Leaches for Walleyes. Duh!
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I have some thousand or so, old Peters match 45 I always keep separate.
I only used it for competition matches.
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Blasting ammo, which is loaded to a well established range. No, that's why I established a range, so I don't have to put up with the rocket science procedures.
Ammo loaded to a specification, yes, these loads are small runs for the special collection.
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I do tend to sort my brass by head stamp but not really sure it makes all that much difference. For sure I keep double cannelured brass separate for my M52 full wadcutters and I find that some brands fit my 8-shot moon clips better than others for quick reloads.
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When I started reloading (with no one else around to guide me), I wanted to do everything right (so I didn't blow myself and/or my gun up).

So yes, I do sort my brass by headstamp, I do clean primer pockets, I do clean my brass before reloading and when I shot PPC competition, I trimmed all my match brass (38 special).

It makes me feel better and it makes me feel like I get the most out of the time I spend reloading. After 34 years, I'm probably not going to change my ways. :-)
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I separate 9mm from my .38's and my 40's from my .45's
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I separated cases for a long time but could see no real difference I am not that great a shot anyway!
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Unless I am both very bored and suffering an OCD attack, no. It simply isn't worth the effort.
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I load 100 rounds at a time and always start out with 100 rounds of the same headstamp. I gather my brass as I shoot and look to find all of that box. If I lose any I replace with the same headstamp from spares. I also keep stickers on my ammo boxes showing the data for each of the times reloaded. The number of reloads may range from new to 20/30 times. One reason I don't mix.
My 38 Supers all started life as new Starline but were put into production over a period of time, so a varying number of reloads.
I just acquired 4K of once fired 45 ACP small primer brass, half Speer and half Federal NT. Since they will all go into production about the same time I may not be so pickey with them--but I may. I am having to swage the primer pockets of the Federal, so the definitely load different than the Speer.
You have to keep in mind though that I have been a CPA for 50 years, and am still trying to learn how to pass my days without working.
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