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Old 05-06-2015, 11:33 AM
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I am a long time user of Missouri Bullet Co. cast bullets, mainly their 38 spec 140 TCFP and their 45 cal 200 SWC. My only problem with them is they make quite a bit of smoke and the pistols seems to get dirty pretty quick.

Have any of you used their coated bullets, and are they cleaner ? Is the cost difference worth the difference to you ?
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I am switching over entirely to coated for my practice rounds. Been using Blue Bullets but have some Missouri ordered. They do smoke a little but not like lubed. They also have some smell when shot.
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:22 PM
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IMHO coated bullets are the cat's meow, or, the bee's knees if you will. They are clean to handle and clean to shoot. And they shoot very well. No more conventionally lubed bullets for me and I never got into plated because I didn't see enough advantage to using them.
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Yes, they have less smoke and easier to clean out the barrel. I think they are worth it. My only problem is I have so many plain lead to use up first.

I have used a lot of them in 9mm and 45. They don't cost that much more do they? I have not looked at prices for a long time.

They do give off a slight "chemical" odor when shooting, but it is not real bad, Kinda like Trail Boss stinks or some 22 lr ammo has an odd smell.
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I am absolutely thrilled with Hi-Tek coated bullets from Missouri Bullet Company.
They are fantastic and are all I will buy from now on.

No leading, greatly reduced smoke, and they're just as accurate as standard cast bullets.

The Hi-Tek coating is the future of cast bullets.

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Like "Rule3" I have a lot of plain lead to shoot up first, but I have liked the plated bullets from Rainier. They are more expensive, but still do not approach commercial ammo.

I always put a beeswax wad under lead bullets. They significantly reduce fouling and seem to reduce smoke. They also seem to blow out some leading that has already formed from other bullets.
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I use Hi-Tek bullets also in 9, 40 and 45; I am still using plated from Extreme also. Handling is cleaner, smoke is less when shooting and my reloading dies are cleaner (no lube left in die). I am now using them in my 45-70 lever action and having no issues there either.
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Yes, as many have said already, it's worth it! Try some out, they do sell sample packs. You'll thank yourself after the first trip to the range!!
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Yes coated shoot cleaner. YOu aren't mixing bullet lube & carbon to make the sludge we normally see using conventional lead bullets. I've just started hi-tek coating my own, pretty easy process. It adds 1/2-3/4c to each bullet, but then I am casting my own.
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My last several .38 Special DEWC reloadings have been MB's Hi-Tek coated bullets. I really like them. Same accuracy, clean burning and severely reduced leading. I'm gonna keep using them. Have a couple thousand rounds of Alox lubbed DEWC that I'm gonna have to waste on something.....
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There is a lot to like about coated bullets vs traditional cast lead with lube. Health reasons--greatly reduced lead exposure. I'll be shooting Chey-Cast Coated bullets at the Bianchi Cup in two weeks. I shoot the .38 caliber 148 grain double ended wadcutter in a Production Model-14. The accuracy is outstanding and greatly reduced smoke which helps a lot when shooting the Bianchi Cup Barricade match which has very short time limits. Here is a link to the Chey-Cast website:

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I am using Missouri coated bullets now and will continue to use them. Nice and clean to work with. Great to shoot. J
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Yes, they have less smoke and easier to clean out the barrel. I think they are worth it. My only problem is I have so many plain lead to use up first.
I can be down there in 'bout an hour to "fix" that for ya.

Actually, I'm got a box of MBC coated 45 acp. Got some developmental loads sitting, waiting to be shot. Just can't find the time.

With all the talk, figured I try some.
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For the cost that many are selling coated, you can get plated from Extreme (Bayou 230/45=$104, Miss 230/45=$107, Chevy 230/45=$129 vs Xtrem 230/45=$120). Shipping is important, always check shipping cost. Where I see coated as being a boon to the reloader is the process can be done at home on bullets you cast yourself. This makes for lead reduced/lead free bullets at home for a bargain price.
A $60 pizza oven & hi-tech coating & you are coating for 1/-3/4c per bullet. Cast your own from scrap alloy, you are shooting pretty darn cheap for a little time on your end.
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Around here most of the WW lead is already asked for.
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I was one of the earliest proponents of coating on this forum.
it is the one we have been waiting for since the Kentucky rifle was state of the art.
Be it Hy Tek or powder coated, the result is a DIY friendly full plastic jacket.
They are a joy to handle and load, never needing to halt the loading process to clear glop out of your dies.
guns clean up easier. there is nearly no chance for any form of metallic fouling.
performance potential is also improved. you are not limited to powders that play well with traditional lubed cast. the lead is encapsulated and doesn't care what powder is used.
as far as handguns go, there is no way you will ever achieve a velocity high enough to make coated fail ..... rifles are a different matter.
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Around here most of the WW lead is already asked for.
Here too, but lead is where you find it. I get about 100# a year just picking up bullets around the berm @ a couple diff ranges I go to.
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... as far as handguns go, there is no way you will ever achieve a velocity high enough to make coated fail ..... rifles are a different matter.
Question: I have been shooting Missouri bullets for awhile in 38/357/44 mostly at their BIN 12 for target velocities, with a few BIN 18 thrown in for some magnum fun. Great results. I've tried some of the coated and they perform as advertised, so I'm a convert, as soon as I can get rid of these blasted non-coated bullets. Here's my dilemma, if the the standard BIN 12 are good up to 1200 fps without leading, will the reduced leading associated with the coating be successful in the same hardness at, say, 1400 fps? I haven't had a chance to test this out and wanted to see if others have.
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Question: I have been shooting Missouri bullets for awhile in 38/357/44 mostly at their BIN 12 for target velocities, with a few BIN 18 thrown in for some magnum fun. Great results. I've tried some of the coated and they perform as advertised, so I'm a convert, as soon as I can get rid of these blasted non-coated bullets. Here's my dilemma, if the the standard BIN 12 are good up to 1200 fps without leading, will the reduced leading associated with the coating be successful in the same hardness at, say, 1400 fps? I haven't had a chance to test this out and wanted to see if others have.
The red line varies from coating to coating.
I've gotten up to 2700 fps with a plain based coated in a 30-06.
anything can make 1400 in the coated world.
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On the cast boolit forum, Hi-Tek starts to lose it at higher velocities (1400fps+). Powder coating has worked well for many members in rifles. I switched to p.c. after an epic fail of Hi-Tek in the big rifle. De-leading a long fifty cal bore is NOT fun, but a great upper body & vocabulary exercise. ;-)
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I was given several dozen 9mm 115 grain coated bullets from Kings Shooting Supplies, (Rogers Better Bullets) when I asked if they would work in an MP5 running FA with a sear. Kings was not aware of anyone running FA with coated bullets. I am also interested in using them in various HK pistols with a suppressor.

What my question is here, has anyone ever reloaded coated bullets for a subgun and/or run coated bullets through a suppressor?

I haven't picked out a load yet for these coated 115s.

I also plan to video my results and I will post them.

Suggestions?

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I recently bought some coated bullets actually they got my attention because of the color selction they are from Eggleston munitions I ordered sample packs in 40 9 44 and 45 so far ive had excellent results and the bore was relatively clean. Their prices are good to not to mention the 44 bullets they sent are green so it looks like a round you shoot the hulk with .
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I got a box of 500 9mm SWC 125gr .356 Dia coated. Golden Brown color. They have a groove and I have never loaded a grooved bullet so not sure how to crimp these. Normally with plated I just remove the bell so you can run your finger from bullet to case with out feeling any of the bell left.
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On the cast boolit forum, Hi-Tek starts to lose it at higher velocities (1400fps+). Powder coating has worked well for many members in rifles. I switched to p.c. after an epic fail of Hi-Tek in the big rifle. De-leading a long fifty cal bore is NOT fun, but a great upper body & vocabulary exercise. ;-)
Not all the hi-tech coatings are the same. Supposedly the metallic versions; gold & cherry, will withstand higher vel/pressures. I'll be testing this soon in my new 6.8 w/ 125gr coated lead, no gc. I'm looking for 1900-2000fps with decent 100yd accuracy. Stay tuned.
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Not all the hi-tech coatings are the same. Supposedly the metallic versions; gold & cherry, will withstand higher vel/pressures. I'll be testing this soon in my new 6.8 w/ 125gr coated lead, no gc. I'm looking for 1900-2000fps with decent 100yd accuracy. Stay tuned.
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I've switched to shooting all MBC coated after shooting many thousands of MBC lead. Less smoke due to no more lube. Extremely little leading. Altogether great bullets that cost considerably less than plated.

(of course jacketed have always been out of the question due to cost).
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I PC my own cast bullets with powder coat. I dry tumble them in a Styrofoam box, Tupperware container or 1 gallon Ziplock bag. It does help to do this when the weather is good because results can be less than ideal when the humidity is high. If you use and electrostatic spray gun, you can do it in any humidity condition. It is more time consuming than tumble lubing which used to take me 5 minutes for 500 bullets. It takes about an hour now for 500 but there is far less smoke and zero leading in my M&P 9 and 40 barrels. No lube needed at all and the bullets glide through the sizer.


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I do my PC work with a spray gun.
it works with coatings that the tumble guys have fits with.

IME, each coating type has its advantages.
If you are too domesticated to have your own shop, but still can allocate space to cast for pistols ... Hy Tek is just about the last word.

If you have a shop, cast for rifles, or would like to, and can drop into a solid working groove to see the project to completion, Powder coating should be part of your skill set.
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