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Small primers in a 45ACP?
Hello, I was sorting some brass and noticed several Federal 45Auto brass that has small primer pockets! Anyone else come across this?
Thanks Gripgrabber
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Yeah, it's a thing. As you know, most .45 ACP are large primer but there are enough small primers around in the Federal brand to keep me on my toes when processing brass.
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I was told the small primers were for the "pollution free" ammo. I about broke my wrist the first time I found one, as I was trying to seat a primer on my Dillon. Really squashed it.
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Federal is not the only manufacturer that has used small primers in .45 ACP. At one time I had a coffee can of small primer .45 ACP brass saved for primer shortages during which small primers are usually easier to find. I used the same load data and never noticed any difference firing them.
One picked up unknowingly can be a nuisance while using a progressive press.
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Originally Posted by Gripgrabber
Hello, I was sorting some brass and noticed several Federal 45Auto brass that has small primer pockets! Anyone else come across this?
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yes .. and its not just Fed either.
This isn't a new thing and not really a bad thing.
you can't just shovel 45ACP into your progressive anymore. You actually need to look at it.
That inconvenience means you'll be more likely to find the rocks, toosie rolls, and 380 husks hiding inside them
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Long thread on the 1911 forum. I get my brass from Texas brass and its half and half. I can't see any difference in performance. Pain sorting but I like the idea of only having one primer.
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I expect this was a solution to a non existent problem dreamed up by the same guy who foisted the 45 GAP upon us. Finding either of them during a reloading session can cause mild to moderate frustration.
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I found a supply of these once fired for a real good price, so I bought 500. I reloaded a few boxes and had outstanding performance. Then I bought an additional supply and have been retiring all my large primer cases as they are fired. Now if I pick up range brass I discard all the large ones.
For target velocity shooting, they just seem to relaod easier and the cases last longer. I'm sold on them...
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Commie plot! CCI, Win NT & others are small as well.
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The whining was worse just after .40 S&W was introduced. For the first time .45 ACP reloaders could not instantly see if brass in the dirt was their precious .45 ACP or not.
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From what I've learned, there is a move toward small pistol primers as the standard for the .45ACP. I buy boxes of 500 pieces of new brass and have been able to know which primer pocket size I am getting. I recently bought several more boxes so I will have many years' worth of the old-style brass - maybe a lifetime supply, as long as straight-wall pistol brass lasts. Right now, all new Remington and Starline .45ACP brass comes with large primer pockets and the Federal factory loads I have on hand do as well.
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File 13 for the 45 acp brass with the small primer pocket.
Just my 2 cents.
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Forgot to add that the small primer supposedly makes the ammunition more accurate. I know it does with bottleneck rifle cartridges as a lot of benchrest-oriented cases now come with small primer pockets but I wouldn't think the difference would be that noticeable in handguns.
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My Guess!
Some knot head that doesn't like progressive loaders came up with this crazy idea! If I get one once in a while it makes me crazier than usual!
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My Guess!
Some knot head that doesn't like progressive loaders came up with this crazy idea! If I get one once in a while it makes me crazier than usual!
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Wish I had known about small primer 45 acp brass 15 years ago before I squirreled away 4000+ pcs of the large primer stuff. It would be SO simple to only have to stock and load small primers.
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I only use the large primers. I have some small primer cases. It's nice to have the availability of either one in case you can't find one type of primer.
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For me the mix between SP and LP cases is about 50-50. It's a result of several years spent shooting either Federal Champion from Walmart (SP) or Remington UMC in the 250 paks (LP). As a result it's become routine to tray up all my cases and eyeball the primer pocket on every case.
BTW, in the Federal Champion red box ammo the 50 count boxes used Small Pistol primers. However the 100 count boxes featured Large Pistol primers and were loaded to a higher velocity that matched the 230 grain American Eagle from Federal. I can also point out that the Fedral Small Pistol cases feature a small dot before and after the FEDERAL on the headstamp that isn't on the Large Pistol cases. So, if you see a Federal case where the primer looks different a quick look for those dots will tell you if it's SP or LP without ever having to check it with a pin gage. With Winchester the SP cases are all marked with NT, indicating a Non Toxic primer.
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I've picked up a couple hundred of them, loaded them up. They shoot just fine.
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Blazer manufactured brass case small primer 45ACP loads also. Bob
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Don't get rid of them keep and reload. I reload mine after I reload all the large primer cases. I have about a thousand and the groups are the same size as my large primer loads.
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Quote:
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Long thread on the 1911 forum. I get my brass from Texas brass and its half and half. I can't see any difference in performance. Pain sorting but I like the idea of only having one primer.
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Depends on powders but there can be as much as 25fps diff in vel between sm & lg.
Yep pita on a progressive. I look at my brass for defects, but occasionally the sm primer sneaks by. So I keep sized/deprimed brass by the press & can pluck out the liberal case & replace it w/o skipping a beat.
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Sticking with large primer brass for simplicity sake. ...that's all I have in 45acp. I load 45 colt as well so large primers are always in my inventory.
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I load Blazer small primer brass for all my loads these days. People leave them behind at the range and I take advantage. Good, consistent brass, no load changes, no switching the primer arm on the press between calibers, and now my 357 and my 45 can share primers. Plus in a pinch I can use a wider variety of primers, including small rifle primers, to keep my 45 running.
Win-win for me.
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Speer Small Primer
Found an on-line source for (truly) once-fired, small primer, Speer .45 auto. Four cents each, shipped, in 2,000 round lots. Price has since "shot-up" to six cents each but I now have 8,000 rounds.
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Been going on for a few years now. Usually the lead free. I've found SP in several different brands. I sort by headstamp so it's a minimal PITA for me. I keep both in case primers of one sort or the other become scarce. SRP will work in the little hole brass as well.
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If you are running a very minor load using lhp brass, check it with so brass before committing to it, I found the 25fps diff meant functioning was compromised. Yes it can change your load.
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fredj338, what powder did you see a drop off with?
My light loads are right on the edge of cycling (200 gr coated SWCs with 3.8 N310 or 4.2 gr Bullseye). I haven't noticed any changes in recoil or ejection when switching back and forth between primer sizes, but I don't have a chrono, so any data would be helpful.
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I think the idea of small primers was more because they are better at high chamber pressures. I load .45 with both primer sizes, usually use small rifle primers instead of small pistol. For that matter, I also use small rifle primers in .38 Special and .357 Mag, and have for many years. I learned that from a top-flight competitive shooter I knew back in the 1960s who always used small rifle primers in his .38 Special wadcutter reloads. He felt they shot better groups, and coming from that guy, I believe him.
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