FIRST OFF I DO NOT KNOW WHO, WHAT, WHEN. WHERE OR WHY.

No one was injured (that I know of) My guess is a squib and then another round fired.

I do know that a guy brought this gun into the LGS and was using reloads not sure if his or someone else.

I know folks like to speculate on the reason but it is what it is.

One of the reasons that many of us try and emphasize using the correct powder for the job at hand, checking Manuals and double checking everything,

Now SCCY guns are not the most robust guns but it can happen to any brand, After feeling the barrel, it felt like a old toy cap gun I had as a kid.

So lets be careful out there.

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So he brought it in to the LGS for a refund? Or maybe a repair?

If I had done that, I would hide it and pretend it didn't happen... assuming it was my fault.

Mike

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I think SCCY has a warranty that might cover that.

They cover loss and theft, so why not KABOOMS ?

A three piece barrel ?? Glad no one was hurt.. But I bet someone needed clean skivvies.

Had a guy come in the LGS with the end of his Mossberg shotgun barrel peeled back.. " Had to be a defect / problem with the gun ,, wasn't anything he had done. "

The only thing I see in the pics and read in the OP is a gun blew up. Can't blame the SCCY for being not the "most robust" guns because all we have to go on is 2nd or 3rd hand info, no facts. I guess you can see that I don't care for these kind of posts where speculation is tossed around, and a lot of ".. a guy...", "my guess", "not sure", as "information". Name the "most robust" firearm out there and I'd bet someone has blown one up...

If it were a squib, it would have to have been pretty far down the bbl the way the bbl split like that. NEVER shoot reloads you haven't put together yourself. Thus includes anything bought at a gunshow that is NOT produced by a lic/bonded manuf.

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I never shoot reloads ever, never, except in my cowboy action guns. Those light loads are not a problem.

I blew a Model 19 up in 1997 using someone's handloads. That cured me.

Daaaaang, I hope no one was injured!

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>>>>Ouch<<<<

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I actually think he did bring it in to send back to the company. For what, I do not know, I think fixing it would cost more than a new gun. It is a $275 gun, built over around where Kel Tecs are.

mikld.
For the record I never blamed SCCY and did state that it could happen to any gun. He did state it was reloads of some kind.

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If there's not enough pressure to get a squib out the barrel, there isn't enough to cycle the weapon. Rapid fire is pretty much precluded.

Could have been the special kind of foolishness that gets a "click and no boom" and decides not to check the barrel.

Or a double powder charge.

A squib round absolutely can cycle the slide and chamber another cartridge.

https://youtu.be/KSN2IcODqq4?t=827

Long, dry video, but starting at about 13:45, the squibs cycle and chamber another round.

On a Blowback operated pistol, YES....

SCCY is a locked breach, and will not cycle unless the bullet leaves the barrel....

Chamber pressure keeps the barrel locked to the slide till the bullet leaves the barrel, when pressure drops enough, the remaining gases force the barrel back with the slide. The barrel then drops and the slide continues.

From the very short time I owned a SCCY (about 3 or 4 days), I "mis-remembered" it as a blowback design. I stand corrected.

Barrel in three sleazy pieces.
No visible bulge.
Metallurgy might be a factor here.

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That's OK - I learned something too - never considered there was a pistol type that could put a bullet in a barrel and cycle.

I owned a SCCY for a very short time. Sights fell off during the first range trip....all the roll pins on the pistol worked their way out during normal range shooting.

Sold the gun at a loss and got something else.

I have had two Hi-Points (don't laugh) as simple range guns and would trust them before another SCCY.

That said, I alternate a S&W Model 10 and Colt Combat Commander as carry guns.

A buddy brought a SCCY pistol to the range which was brand new. On first range trip after no more than 10 rounds fired the plastic safety lever broke and kept flopping around which would lock up the pistol. The pistol was also key holing shots. My impression these; these guns are junk.

Look for a bulge in the bbl 1st. If no bulge, look for scorch/black marks on the sides of the broken bbl. Those black marks will tell you where the bbl failed. The rest is just window dressing.

To me it looks like that bbl gave up the ghost right in front of the chambers leade/throat.

Another thing to look at is that the bbl doesn't have any throat cut into it. Allot of mfg's are cutting corners (no pun intended) and are skipping that simple 1 minute step in bbl making. No throat ='s a sharp flat shoulder that can and will cause bullet setback with different bullet designs.

Simply put, some bullet designs will hit the shoulder and riflings of the non throated bbl before they fully chamber. The slide will push the bullet that's locked into the non throated bbl deeper into the case as it fully closes.

2 things happen, the short start pressure goes thru the roof and the pressure of the load rises from less case capacity.

A factory bbl that doesn't have a throat cut into it.



The same bbl that has been throated using a throating reamer. Note the difference in the shoulder length sticking out and the difference in the angle cut on the riflings.



Same bbl (before/after), the difference in now the bbl is a lot more accurate and now the bullets that wouldn't work before can be loaded to the mfg's oal recommendations.

I'm not saying that's what happened with this bbl. But it does look like there's some pretty good burn/black marks just in front of the chamber in the throat area and then the burn area moves forward from there.

WOW - not good!

I guess I've lead a sheltered life because this is the first I've heard of SCCY Guns - Hmmmmmm

LOL, right. You just conjectured that they are not robust, and that your barrel feeling skills led you to conclude it is similar to a cap gun.

I had a Gen 2 one, it worked. Though I did use it extensively. Sccy has a good warranty and may fix it.

Backyard tests on Youtube suggest a 9mm case can not contain enough powder to blow up a Hi Point, fwiw. But a Sccy makes a nice size and weight carry gun.

Are SCCYs Red or Blue??

Boy oh boy................

that barrel and parts..........
reminds me of my days splitting wood.

Right down the center........ nice job.

Mercy.

Not blaming anyone for spreading rumors. But, again you can see more unsubstantiated "reports" of failures/poor manufacturing. Mebbe I'm too fair, but normally I don't believe squat about anything like this without factual reliable reports.

I once knew a feller whose great uncle's cousin said he knew a guy (but couldn't remember his name) that once used C4 fer propellant in a .69 caliber muzzle loader shooting a sabot-ed 499 gr LSWC and got his Hippo tag filled while on vacation in Southern Wisconsin, shooting off handed at nearly 873 yards in the rain and snow just before midnight on the last day of the season. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. And you read it on the internet so it's gotta be true, right?.

It's not a rumor it is a fact, the gun blew up due to reloads, from the owners mouth

No we will never know why and I agree, speculating is just that, but folks thrive on it as much as cleaning brass.

I could have said it was Titegroup

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yep ... I have my theories as any one else would.
but in the end ...

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No offense 3, but did the owner post this or did someone overhear it at a gun shop and post it here? 2nd hand info?

My point is, just from this thread, not many folks would purchase a SCCY because of internet hearsay. Unwarranted? All the reports I've read (firsthand reports and videos) say that while not the best handgun available, the SCCY is a quality, though inexpensive firearm, and not junk...

I really hate rumors, unfounded "reports" and old wive's tales...

It can happen, usually requires a lighter recoils spring. The common accident is click, nothing & then tap rack KB. One reason I like elec hearing, I can hear a primer go off, it's saved several shooters when I SO at the local IDPA matches.

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IMO, quality & inexpensive rarely occupy the same space. Pretty much true of most things in life. Not that spending a lot guarantees quality, but rarely do you find Porche quality @ Pinto prices.

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Gonna need a bigger hammer for that one! That's going to leave a mark.

look at the picture.
barrel in three sleazy pieces and a slide trying to match.

A relative had a KB in a Sig last fall.
case failed and sent a hot jet down the mag, blowing it out of the gun.
He replaced the mag and put it back in service.

Something was very wrong with the gun pictured. My guess would be a heat treatment issue.

Hatcher blew up guns as a matter of testing. Of all the photos of those, none were quite so catastrophic as that.
and he used blue pills at up to a quarter million PSI

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I posted it. I took the pictures, I examined the gun (pieces)

You are the one that is saying "not the best handgun available" "Not junk". I never said they were junk ? I said not the most robust (fact) and the barrel metal felt cheap (my opinion) I rate them up with the other guns made in the same area KT and Diamonback. But that said, that is not why this gun blew up. Period.

How many pictures of Glock Kbooms have there been, people still buy them,

I told you what I know as fact and not going to get into a pissing match with you. It is not hearsay. I was in the store, guy came in with gun, said HE blew it up, was using his friends reloads. No I did not interrogate him and get a sworn, notarized statement.

I can go back and take measurements of the barrels thickness and weigh all three pieces, and compare them to other brands of barrels, perhaps have a metallurgical analysis done on it.

It blew up, why I don't know, it is what it is,

OK? Is that good enough? Let it be.

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I've got a SCCY CPX2, had it about 2.5 yr now. Over 4000 rounds through it. Had a few failures to lock the slide open on last round, early on. New mag springs fixed that. Absolutely no other failures of any kind...ever! It has replaced my G19 as my EDC. I still carry my G19, my S&W 60, my G22 and even my Sig P232 every now and again. Most recently, I have been carrying my Sig P220 with two spare mags.
But for the majority of the time, the CPX2 is it. The gun I carry. I have complete faith and trust in it. Why shouldn't I? It has the same, or better track record as all of the others mentioned above.
I paid $230 for it and $8 shipping...wish I had bought two!!

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What kind of powder? Bullseye? Acc #7 ??

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I seen the same thing several different times over the years. That happens when the web area (glock smiley face) of the case fails.

Stuck bullets leave ring marks in the bbl when another bullet stacks behind it.

If you closely at the metal of this bbl, you'll see black scorch marks right in front of the chamber. I'm not talking inside the bbl, I'm seeing them on the shattered/busted edges. They start in the leade/throat area. There's only 1 way to get those black marks there and they only happen once.

I see the same.
your probably not wrong about how the party got started.
But I also look at the rest of the disaster.
two of the three pieces are nearly perfectly straight.

This leads me to recall hard lessons of the low numbered 1903's
Springfield armory was a little arrogant in their reliance upon their craftsman's eyes over pyrometers.
This lead to situations where receivers undergoing heat treatment could be over heated or under tempered making them brittle.

The process is simple to describe, but it is nuanced.
heat the steel to its critical hardening temp and quench.
it is now fully hardened.
return to a lower heat to draw off some of that hardness and it's tempered.
In other words, it's a blended state between fully hard and annealed.

Annealed state bends.
full hard doesn't bend, it breaks.

I see far more breaking than I do bending in that barrel.

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Continuing the auto comparison; I got a Toyota PU for quite a bit less than a GMC and Toyota hasn't done 1/10 the recalls GMC has. With modern technology, inexpensive does not equate to cheap!

How does that split the bbl like that? I would think a blockage at the chamber would bulge the bbl, not split it in 3 pieces, unless the bbl is pure krap to start with?

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Well the gm & Toyota are quite comporably priced. Fwiw, Toyota has a lot of recalls, a lot. No better or worse than gm or ford.
There will always be those that feel they need to justify their purchase, gun, reloading gear, car, whatever. Just as good as s&w, glock, doubtful. 4000rds is just breaking in a good pistol, so to state one is as good because you shot it 4000x in 2-3yrs is quite funny.

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The jagged metal of the bbl and the slide show sighs of a



going off.

I always liked this picture, the case is still intact but it blew the top of the cylinder off.



Could it be junk parts???? Sure, but keep in mind those aren't mim bbl's they're milled from bar stock. Could of it of been a bad bbl??? Sure, but it blew the top of a steel slide off also.

Looks like a pretty stout gun to me. That's a massive kaboom, yet the slide is still on the gun and the guy was able to walk into a gun store instead of being cooped up in a hospital recovering from surgery to remove a slide from his eye socket.

Well, being an owner of both a GMC and a Toyota, I can attest that Toyotas are less expensive than a comparable GMC. I drove one Toyota for 95,000+ miles with only changing the oil and one changing of the belts, and 60,000+ on my present truck with only oil changes. Absolutely no problems. My GMC and 200 GMC pickups my employer owned, needed some major work nearly every 10,000 miles and some needed a complete engine swap. So, that tells me that yep, the higher priced truck ain't necessarily the best (You don't get what you pay for).

My S&W 629 has been back to the factory for repairs and my Taurus 85 has been plunking along for 20+ years firing every round placed in the chamber. I have a picture of a Ruger Super Blackhawk over my bench and it is missing the top strap, a portion of the rear top frame and half the cylinder. Ruger is reportedly a very strong action. I have fired "slightly" overloaded rounds through my Taurus .357 Magnum (160 gr. LSWC over a max.+ 1 grain load of True Blue. Enough so the primers fell out when the cylinder was opened), and it is still firing rounds as good and accurate as new (no bulges in the cylinder). So, again, you don't always get the best when you pay the most.

This whole thread is getting worthless. It may have started out as an informative thread, but it seems to have become "Pay the most money or you'll get junk" rant...

I'm done...

yup ... its as worthless as you make it.

It's not just a KB. its an interesting one based on the evidence.
especially the barrel.
If you've ever heat treated steel, you'd know the process it really quite simple. with experience you'd know its fairly easy to screw up too.
that is at least part of what I believe happened here.
Your the one getting bent out of shape over brands.
I'd say the same things I have if it were a 1911 built by the hands of John Moses Browning himself.

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Everybody knows that guns costing more than $300 never blow up!
Umm....sure
There are way more pics of blown S&W's, Glocks, and Rugers, and other "expensive" pistols, out there.
Lets see now, how many SCCY pistols have we heard about???

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I never ever never would use anyone else's reloads, ever. But then, I've been reloading for 30 years and don't feel the need.

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Never said that only stating you can't really expect quality & cheap, with anything. Doesn't mean cheap won't work for some but then I don't expect cheap to ever last of be durable. When I buy cheap, I exist to replace it sooner than later. Been my exp for decades.

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lets take a close honest look at this photo.


It probably has a MIM slide.
Thats not a deal breaker. the slide takes some impulse but doesn't need to contain pressure.

Barrel could stand to have a little more meat to it as well as more attention to detail.

I could pick nits about the frame but it seems the only part undamaged.

It appears to be a recoil operated design as well.

It could be a real high value, low cost sleeper if someone offered a good after market barrel.

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Now take a moment and think about the lack of logic that statement makes or does not make?

First how many SCCY pistols are actually sold or out there in the market compared to the gazillions of Glocks, SW, Rugers etc.?? How about all the AR makers out there, There are gobs of them that no one has every seen or heard of.

The probability or statistics of finding one, let alone a blown up one are very slim.

But as with most threads this one has gone of on a different rail or track.

It was never ever about the gun maker itself. It is just a gun that blew due to improper reloads, Yes, it can and has happened to many other higher prices guns and will continue to happen .

Unfortunately it may happen more now that more folks are getting into reloading and many of those do not want to learn the basics, They just want ammo and want it now so they can go shoot.

I posted it only to show what can happen

In the same LGS I was there when a guy brought in a SW AR 15. It also was blown up due to reloads, so there is a equal opportunity Kboom,

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