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ID a cast bullet
I have been out of reloading for about 4 years now and getting back into it now. I have my own room(extra bedroom) and am getting things set up. Not done much pistol reloading but I was just getting into it when I quit. I have several molds and lots of bullets I poured. I have matched my bullets to the mold and marked everything. I have 1 bullet I cannot finf a mold for and have no idea what it is. 38 sp or 357 bullet and weighs in at 145.3 to 147.5. my lead pours a little light so I am guessing around 150. SWC and 2 lube bands with crimp band. I can't remember how to post a pic on here, been too long. Any body know a web site that I might match up a pic of it. Mold has got to be here somewhere. Other things I am missing are most likely with it. Hell to get old. I will work on getting some pics uploaded. Thanks in advance
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01-17-2016, 12:39 PM
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Maker of the mould ? Most 150 grain SWC moulds have one lube groove and one crimp groove, at least in the Lyman and RCBS linups.
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Not sure of maker. Most of mine are Lee or Lyman. Been to long ago and my memory is failing me. Could be a 148 gr I guess. It is different than most I have. Flat then tapers down then flat again. 3 groves, 2 lube and 1 crimp. Like I said mine are a little light. My 170 gr weighs166 to 168 with 358429 Lyman mold. Still have problems getting pic file small enough to upload.
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01-17-2016, 01:28 PM
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I think I got a pic uploaded. Might not help but here it is.
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01-17-2016, 01:43 PM
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Lee #90318, maybe? It looks like that profile, just cast cold so the lube groove edges are rounded. FWIW, that particular projectile from Lee is advertised at 140 grains, so it is in the ballpark. In my experience, Lee stuff always cast heavier than advertised.
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Except for weight being a bit off you have described the Lyman 357446. It is nominally 155 gr. +/-, depending which Lyman catalog you look in! My older references show 152-160 gr!
"In my experience, Lee stuff always cast heavier than advertised." Interesting. I have around 20 Lee moulds of various ages, and except for one or two they invariably cast light, particularly the newer ones!
kd5exp, I started this as the first response after your original! I went to check references while I left it open, and see how far down it put me! Lee doesn't have anything like your bullet, at least anymore, not with that small truncated cone nose! Looks like an older SAECO mould although they have nothing similar anymore either!
Lee 90318 is similar, although lighter at 140 gr, but I don't think that is your bullet.
Below are the Lee 90318 from their catalog, and Lyman 358477 that is a 150 gr. SWC. Lube is Saeco Green and NRA Alox formula.
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Lee makes a 140 & a 150 SWC that both have 2 lube & 1 crimp groove . Lyman , RCBS , H&G & NEI do not .
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Lee 358-140-SWC or discontinued 358-150-SWC . Picture is worth a thousand words !
And they tend to drop on the heavy side so even though marked as 140 grains 145 - 147 is in the ballpark. Lee still makes the 140 grain but the 150 grain is gone (it could be the 150 also, they look identical) If you can find the product number on it 90318 is 140. Not sure # of 150 grainer.
That was one of the first Lee moulds I ever bought and with 50% lead and COWW mix it cast about 146 grains.
If it is an aluminum mould it is the Lee . Lyman always has made steel moulds. I just took a look at the old Lee mould and it is faintly stamped LEE, almost didn't see it and a product number that doesn't describe the mould, so it's easy to overlook.
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I think Alk8944 nailed it with the Lyman 357446 (shown below).
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The mold should not be that old unless I bought it used. Me and wife turn garage upside down looking and found a lot but no mold. Not going to worry about it much I have several others to play with. I do agree the Lee 358-140 SWC looks as close as anything. The taper is straight not rounded like most of them. I have a coffee (plastic) full of them. If I can't find the mold really doesn't matter because I won't be casting any more of them. I think it's going to be a 150 gr because all mine are on the lite side with using all the same lead and tin mix cold quenched.
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I think the pic Novalty posted is not it. The bottom groove is closer to the bottom and a sharper taper. The pic Rule3 posted is very close. If they used to make this same one in 150 gr I believe that's it.
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It looks like Alk pegged it. However, the ring of lube at the bottom ring suggests that your cast bullet is of a gas check style. I haven't cast for about 10 years due to an accident, but your bullet looks like the 155gr SWC gas check bullet from a Lyman mold.
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Just from looking at the posted pictures I do not think the O.P.'s casting is from a Lyman 357446. In the picture posted by Novalty notice the variation in the width of a 357446's driving bands. In contrast all the driving bands on the O.P. bullet are the same width. Also the 357446 has a larger meplat (?spelling) or a larger flat on its nose. The O.P.'s bullet looks like the aforementioned Lee mold.
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Doesn't the weight of the actual cast bullet vary a bit depending on the composition of the alloy used?
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Doesn't the weight of the actual cast bullet vary a bit depending on the composition of the alloy used?
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Yes, the couple of Lyman molds that I tried dropped undersized bullets. Had a 452374 (225gr RN) bullet that dropped .449 diameter bullets. The Mihec, RCBS, and Lachmiller molds I've used dropped correct size bullets. Was told I was using wrong alloy with Lyman--go figure... Anyone want to guess how many Lyman molds I now own?
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It looks like Alk pegged it. However, the ring of lube at the bottom ring suggests that your cast bullet is of a gas check style. I haven't cast for about 10 years due to an accident, but your bullet looks like the 155gr SWC gas check bullet from a Lyman mold.
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Which would be a 358156.
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I vote Lee 140 or 150 gr. They have the smallest meplate of any manufacturer and the OP's bullet mp is small.
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Thanks Guys. I will just use them up or melt them down and make others. I will run into it one day and figure it out. If I do I will post about it. I think mtgianni is right about the 150 but will drop it for now. I have 5 other molds for the 38 or 357 to play with. Got a new 9 mm to play with. My daughter got her a 45 auto to shoot and my neighbor got a 45 golden boy rifle. Going to look for a mold to use on both. I know cowboy load for the rifle is 250 gr but not sure if that's a good bullet for the pistol. More to play with.
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It is not a gas check boolit. No recess for the gas check. I have gas check boolits and this is not one of them. I think Rule3 has it pegged. Still no mold. I know there is more stuff somewhere because I had bought a big box of 223. Still looking.
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