|
|
02-10-2016, 01:54 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: NW Ohio
Posts: 91
Likes: 34
Liked 92 Times in 42 Posts
|
|
Reloading leads to fire
Reminder to keep loading area clean and free of spilled powder.
From the link "Apparently the homeowner may have been reloading some ammunition in his garage and something went wrong." Bit of an understatement.
Firefighter struck by bullet battling blaze in Gilbert - Story | KSAZ
|
02-10-2016, 02:51 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 447
Likes: 94
Liked 254 Times in 140 Posts
|
|
Something is odd with that second story. Gunpowder does not explode unless contained. If it was contained, how did it get lit? Something does not add up.
Mike
__________________
NRA Certified Pistol Inst.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 02:58 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: WVa East Panhandle
Posts: 28,609
Likes: 70,909
Liked 81,452 Times in 18,446 Posts
|
|
Tons of ammunition?
__________________
Keep on Chooglin'
|
02-10-2016, 03:43 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,079
Likes: 10,794
Liked 15,506 Times in 6,794 Posts
|
|
When ammo heats up to the point of detonation(not in a barrel) it is usually the lighter CASE that goes flying not the heavier bullet,
Not saying the bullet does not move at all, just that the brass goes farther.
I believe it to be a physics thing or in some magazine.
Glad the Firefighter is OK!
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 04:18 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oro Valley, Arizona
Posts: 2,370
Likes: 497
Liked 943 Times in 518 Posts
|
|
I saw a video of a SAAMI test in which a trailer, packed full of boxed ammunition, was set afire. It took awhile until the ammo started to cook off. When it did, the rounds popped out of the cases and were propelled few feet at most. The firefighters who were present were chagrinned that they had suited up with thickly padded suits and bullet proof vests, which they later said were probably not needed.
I once had to dispose of some gunpowder that I did not need and could not give away. I made a pile in the back yard, ran a trail of powder a few feet from it, and lit the trail. When the main pile went up, it burned vigorously but there was no hint of an explosion. It has to be contained, so that high pressure can be achieved, before an explosion can occur. That is the principal behind pipe bombs.
Last edited by andyo5; 02-11-2016 at 01:50 PM.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 04:19 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 321
Likes: 146
Liked 122 Times in 74 Posts
|
|
The SAAMI video is at
SAAMI
|
02-10-2016, 04:52 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 487
Likes: 203
Liked 753 Times in 285 Posts
|
|
When I was about 8, my dad was burning trash behind our back yard (it was the 60's - we Kentucky suburbanites burned our trash). He stepped away from the fire for a minute and I pitched in a half-empty can of my mom's hairspray.
He came back to the fire with a rake and about that time - BOOM!! Hairspray makes MUCH more of a ruckus than any .22's I ever threw into a fire.
And yes... I ran like hell but he eventually caught me.
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 05:09 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,604
Likes: 264
Liked 4,215 Times in 1,714 Posts
|
|
I had a friend that would take an acetylene torch get a nice blue flame then snuff it out then stick the tip in a 2 quart bottle replace cap and set that off with cannon fuse. Rock and roll..
|
02-10-2016, 05:17 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: DPRK (CA)
Posts: 1,498
Likes: 368
Liked 1,273 Times in 466 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigggbbruce
I had a friend that would take an acetylene torch get a nice blue flame then snuff it out then stick the tip in a 2 quart bottle replace cap and set that off with cannon fuse. Rock and roll..
|
balloons work better!
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 05:46 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,604
Likes: 264
Liked 4,215 Times in 1,714 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurac
balloons work better!
|
Nah.. Walter would get a few ready and drive around drop one out here and there...bottle would roll around until KAAFREEKINBOOM...
One night he wanted to make the ultimate load. I was not there. He started filling a large black plastic garbage bag while in his garage..
After a few seconds static electricity set off the acetylene, it blew the interior door off the hinges, blew down the overhead light, cracked all the sheet rock seams, and buckled the roll up door.
Walter was lying unconscious on the floor when the fire department and police showed up. Bleeding out his ears.
He recovered and never did that again..
Last edited by bigggbbruce; 02-10-2016 at 05:56 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 09:41 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kalif. usa
Posts: 6,836
Likes: 2,665
Liked 3,927 Times in 2,366 Posts
|
|
Powder doesn't ignite on it's own. There is a reason you, or anyone else in the area, not be smoking while reloading.
__________________
NRA Cert. Inst. IDPA CSO
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-10-2016, 10:08 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 497
Likes: 82
Liked 681 Times in 236 Posts
|
|
Yep, the Fireman was likely struck by a bit of case or maybe a whole case, not a bullet. I'm betting the media pumped up the story.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
02-11-2016, 12:06 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 6,926
Likes: 179
Liked 4,301 Times in 2,112 Posts
|
|
That first article is a prime example of the Anti Gun propoganda so prevalent in today's media. As Rule3 noted cartridges in open containers don't produce bullets "flying everywhere". In fact when Mythbusters did some experiments the bullets barely move at all.. What moves in a rather limited fashion is the empty case and when Mythbusters tested what would happen when ammunition in a hot oven cooked off the empty cases that hit the glass in the door didn't even have enough energy to crack the glass. Basically a face mask and turnout coat are the only protection needed to produce you from stored ammunition cooking off. Note, a chambered round in a firearm is a completely different matter and the hazard that this can create is one reason why the only firearms with a round in the chamber in my house are the ones I am actually carrying.
Finally IMO some of us are really jumping the gun assuming the fire was initiated by powder or primers lighting off. Stored even in an only moderately safe fashion modern powders or primers do not self ignite. What I suspect started this fire was something typically stored rather haphazardly in most garages and with a history of being quite volatile. That item would be Gasoline. A liquid that has probably started or contributed to more Garage fires than any other compound on the planet.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
02-11-2016, 01:55 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oro Valley, Arizona
Posts: 2,370
Likes: 497
Liked 943 Times in 518 Posts
|
|
I am accustomed to storing gasoline containers for the mower and trimmer in the garage. Our home in Indiana had no appliances in the garage. But here in Tucson, most homes have gas appliances in the garage. So any stored gasoline will have to be stored elsewhere, like an out building in the back yard.
|
02-12-2016, 12:50 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 30,983
Likes: 41,642
Liked 29,232 Times in 13,818 Posts
|
|
No, stupid kid thing...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurac
balloons work better!
|
Balloons can go up like the Hindenburg and I had the singed eyebrows to prove it.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
02-12-2016, 06:03 PM
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: San Diego, PRK
Posts: 9,237
Likes: 11,531
Liked 11,249 Times in 3,916 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by snubbyfan
Tons of ammunition?
|
Of course.. "Tons of ammunition" = "hundreds of bullets"
That story looks really similar to a reported fire here in Kalifornistan some time ago, right down to interchangeable (and wrong) terms and seemingly impossible physics involved in the report.
I called BS on that one, at least the reporting angle. But I guess a garage fire wouldn't really be news otherwise, would it?
|
02-13-2016, 08:03 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Stafford, VA
Posts: 1,560
Likes: 84
Liked 1,449 Times in 526 Posts
|
|
Only powder fire I was involved in was the one where I dumped the powder from a couple of blank 5.56mm rounds into the battalion S3's ashtray when I was a company commander. I wasn't there when he apparently ignited it with a cigarette, but I did get my *** chewed by the Battalion XO while he tried to keep a straight face.
|
02-14-2016, 11:32 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: NE PA
Posts: 264
Likes: 75
Liked 150 Times in 95 Posts
|
|
Around here in semi-rural NE PA, it wouldn't be a house fire without some kind of ammo cook-off.
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|