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Old 05-07-2016, 09:03 AM
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Can someone tell me the differences in regular Bullseye powder and BE86? I have been seeing this at my lgs and they say it is Bullseye only cleaner. Is that a true statement? Bullseye sure could use cleaning up.
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There was just a thread on BE86 within the last few days. Look around in the reloading forum, and it should be there.....
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From a burning speed comparison, BE-86 and Bullseye are not the same.
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I wouldn't take any more reloading advice from that particular store. BE-86 is more similar to Unique in burn rate, but meters better and burns cleaner. Check Alliant website for load information.
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Can someone tell me the differences in regular Bullseye powder and BE86? I have been seeing this at my lgs and they say it is Bullseye only cleaner. Is that a true statement? Bullseye sure could use cleaning up.
Nope. Very different...it is closer to Power Pistol (with a flash suppressant coating) than it is to Bulleye. BE86 can generate some speed. Good powder for loads in 9/40. Just okay for 45. Makes a decent SD loading.
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The new issue of HANDLOADER (June 2016) has a good article about BE86. It's the magazine's 50th anniversary issue.
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First, DO NOT get reloading information from either a gun shop OR an internet forum! Rely on published data from reliable sources. Many gun shop employees are neither shooters not reloaders believe it or not!

Since BE-86 is relatively new the best place to go for data is to the original source, the manufacturer. Alliant Powder - Home

Or go to this link: Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide where you can view or download the current data. You can also order a copy of the "Reloaders Guide" on this page.

Over the history of Laflin and Rand, DuPont, Hercules, and now Alliant, all of which have manufactured "Bullseye" at different times, there have been several propellants which have carried the Bullseye name in one form or another.

The "original" "Bullseye" was reported to be the clean-up of scraps and "sweepings" from the powder cutting operation for the Laflin and Rand rifle powders. It was found to be useful for handgun ammunition, but there was a limit to how much could be produced by this method and a new powder was developed as an original product that filled the same niche'. This became known as "Bullseye 2", and the original as "Bullseye 1". Bullseye 2 was the only version that remained in production and eventually came to be known as simply Bullseye as we know it today.

Over more than a century there has been a series of powders known to Hercules/Alliant, and the factory loading industry as various Bullseye numbers that were not available to reloaders, so the similarity of names was not an issue. One was known as "Bullseye-84" to the trade. Several years ago this was released to reloaders as "Power Pistol" to avoid confusion from the name! And now Alliant has released another powder in the "Bullseye series" and called it BE-86, probably hoping reloaders would recognize it as a new and different powder and not confuse it with traditional "Bullseye" that has been in production for nearly 120 years! Unfortunately this has not worked out well and there is a lot of mis-information being spread.

BE-86 is only one of the "Bullseye series". They are all different from each other and have different burning rates. Reloading data IS NOT INTERCHANGEABLE between "Bullseye", "Bullseye-84 (Power Pistol)" and "BE-86".

This is a very similar situation to what Hodgdon did about 30 years ago when they introduces their "Clays Technology" series of powders. These were known as "Clays", "Universal Clays" and "International Clays". The problem is when "Clays" was specified it was ambiguous as to which of the clays series was intended! Since they were widely differing in application and burning rate this represented a real safety concern and eventually Hodgdon began distributing, and referring to, these as simply "Clays", Universal" and "International". to eliminate the confusion!
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Not even close, Bullseye burns at a much faster rate than BE86. BE86 burns at a rate close to Power Pistol and Unique. This store is giving you bad advice, you should consult Alliant if you are in doubt.
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Read the 2 recent threads on BE-86 mentioned above:
BE-86 vs Unique
BE-86 only. All in one place.
Alliant is continuing to release reloading information for BE-86 in more and more cartridges so check back to their website every month or 2.
The article in Handloader is excellent as well.
The only thing the various "Bullseye" powders have in common is their chemistry (and I suspect manufacturing process).
The burn rates and a few additives are all different.
If you loaded BE-86 using a Bullseye recipe it would not blow up but you might stick a bullet in the barrel which is definitely not safe.
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Can someone tell me the differences in regular Bullseye powder and BE86? I have been seeing this at my lgs and they say it is Bullseye only cleaner. Is that a true statement? Bullseye sure could use cleaning up.
No not even close. BE86 falls right between Unique & Power pistol. It downloads better than BE, but not even close to the same burn rate or load data.
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