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Old 07-31-2016, 12:34 PM
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I started reloading my first rifle rounds this past week. Using my Hornady Lock and Load and a new set of Hornady Dies. I am using One shot Hornady lube. My question is, this.


This lube does not seem very good. Many cases are getting stuck, hard to resize. In fact I sprayed them all really good as I was doing them, and the 75th case got stuck and I had to order a stuck case removal tool. I got the case out, but as it pulled out the neck resizer on the die broke in half. What is the best case lube to use?

Second question, where can I get a new piece for the die. Kind of disappointed that my first stuck case broke a piece of a new die. Do I just call Hornady and ask to buy the piece that broke?

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I've always used Dillon Precision case lube with good results. Just remember to wait 10-15 minutes after spraying your cases so that the alcohol evaporates. Call Hornady, explain what happened, and they should take care of you without charge.

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I use Lee dies, and Lee wax lube. So far, no stuck cases.
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Don't take this as being too critical, but it sounds like you're not getting complete coverage with the One Shot.....been there done that. I probably use more than needed , but I make sure ALL cases get a good dose of lube.
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There have been a LOT of posts around the web about the Hornady one shot lube sticking cases,especially with Hornady dies.

Many handloaders use Imperial Case Wax, including myself. Forster case lube also works very well.

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Old 07-31-2016, 09:31 PM
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Don't take this as being too critical, but it sounds like you're not getting complete coverage with the One Shot.....been there done that. I probably use more than needed , but I make sure ALL cases get a good dose of lube.

I understand. Here is how I lubed the cases. I put 50 in a reloading tray, sprayed it on all 4 sides and then also sprayed the die down good inside.

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Did you lube the inside of the neck? I found that this is a necessity. I have used both the Lee wax lube, and RCBS case lube 2. Both are water soluble. I have used a cotton swab, and made a small tool with the wood lathe, gluing a small strip of cloth wound round the end. The homemade tool does a better job and lasts longer.

I would call Hornady and see if they have replacement parts available.
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I've also got the LNL with both the Hornady dies and the Lee sizing die. So far resized about 1,500 cases and never had one stick. I'm using the Imperial Sizing Die Wax. It only takes a very light coat on each case and using a Q-tip I apply a little in the neck on every 10 cases or so. I also use the Q-tip to prelube the die too.

I use the Hornady One Shot on pistol cartridges and it's fine but the Imperial wax works much better on rifle.
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I understand. Here is how I lubed the cases. I put 50 in a reloading tray, sprayed it on all 4 sides and then also sprayed the die down good inside.

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Put them in a baggie, spray the baggie and roll it all around together. have stuck a couple of cases in 30 years but not many. A Lube change is the easiest and cheapest next step, along with asking hornaday for a replacement part.
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:18 PM
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I called and asked Hornady about a replacement part. They are sending me one, I also bought an extra.

I was asked earlier about lubing the inside of the neck, honestly I can't say 100% sure if I got them all done well or not. I will certainly be doing more of that when I get a new neck sizer.

Thank you everyone for the input. I've been reloading for over a year, and have thousands of handgun rounds under my belt. These rifle rounds are the first for me, and it's a very different beast to say the least. I've gotten my case trimmer in and set up and did a few cases. As soon as I can sit down and get them all ready I'll go find some powder and put a few together and see how they do.


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I know it sounds slow and old school, but using something like the Lee sizing lube wax or the Imperial Sizing Die wax ( I have been using Lee) and applying it to the case with finger tips and a bit inside the neck with a Q-tip then letting it dry will take care of stuck cases.
Apply by hand insures they are lubed all over...hand gun cases are not so particular but rifle cases are...one stuck case messes up your whole day.
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Imperial sizing wax here also, and do lube the inside of the case neck. I would also recommend RCBS or Redding dies. Only cases I ever had stuck were with a Hornady die.
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I've read several bad reviews of Hornady One Shot. Personally I use Mink Oil Boot Dressing Cream (lots of lanolin). I resize .223/5.56, 308 Win/7.62x51, and 30-06, all full length sized and have never stuck a case. If I were to suggest a commercial case lube it would be Imperial Case Wax. Imperial Case Sizing Wax 2oz It's no big deal to get a bit of case lube on your fingers as it doesn't contaminate anything and comes off easily with just a paper towel...
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Hey Matt, just curious what headstamp is the brass? I've loaded a bunch of different stuff and all have been fairly easy but the Pivi Partizan gives me trouble. The headstamp is PPU and it is "sticky" in either the Hornady or the Lee sizing die. It's also particularly difficult to bump the shoulder back within spec. I've never had a problem with the expander sticking in the neck. My problem has been the case trying to stick in the die as you begin to lower the ram with the PPU brass.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:22 PM
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For years, I used RCBS case lube with the case lube pad. I recently started reloading 223/5.56 and 308 again and needed new case lube. I tried the LEE case lube and ended up sticking 3 pieces of 223 brass in my sizing die, never had this problem with the RCBS! So on a whim, I ordered the Hornady UNIQUE case lube in the 4 ounce tub. I cannot say enough good things about this lube!! You use very little, and is so slick as to be almost effortless resizing your brass. Apply sparingly with fingers on outside and just a little inside the case mouth. I wipe clean with a cotton cloth. It's very inexpensive and this 4 ounce tub will outlast me, I'm afraid :-)
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Matt,

I have been reloading for about 40 years, and reloading 223s for about 20 years. On a rare occasion, I have had stuck cases, but not on a regular basis. In looking back, it seems that my cases stuck when I didn't shoot the case lube up into the sizing die.

When I full length size my brass for my ARs, I lube the inside of my sizing die for every 50 rounds of cases. I also spray my loading block at a diagonal from above so that the lube also sprays into the neck. I use the same procedure when I neck size for my bolt gun. I have noticed, that when I feel a tight case, I pull the case out and respray the cases in the loading block.

As a side note, I use both RCBS and Hornady dies. I use Hornady One Shot spray lube, but I preferred the One Shot pump spray, which has been discontinued ... I find that the aerosol spray can be a bit inconsistent in the distribution of lubricant.
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I use Dillon dies, which have a built-in feature for removing a stuck case. But I switched from Dillon case lube to Frankford Arsenal lube and am getting much better results. I don't spray the lube onto the cases. This seems too indirect a method to me. I place a paper towel into a shallow cardboard box, and spray the lube onto the towel. I then roll each case over the towel just before resizing it. Works like a charm and no lube gets sprayed into the case.
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Imperial wax is great stuff -- but honestly, plain ol' Johnson Paste Wax is, too -- available in any supermarket, and a whole lot cheaper.

I started to say I have been using it for years, but to tell the truth -- it's decades.
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For over 40 years, I've used RCBS case lube on an RCBS pad - I roll 10 bottleneck rifle cases at a time back and forth across the pad twice and that's it. Never stuck a case and there's no messy sprays or waiting for anything to evaporate.

For necks and when neck-sizing alone, I use Imperial dry case neck lube. It's basically graphite, I think, on tiny plastic balls that I dip the necks into two times. I do the necks first so the plastic balls don't stick to any case lube on the sides of the cases.

Don't make the job more difficult or involved than it has to be.

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I have had the exact same results with the Hornady One Shot. I can cut it to almost zero if I hold the can up above the cases and spray down {which gets the neck inside} and I have them in a reloading tray on the side that allows the most to show of the sides. Reloading trays typically have two sides...one side the holes are deep, I guess so the cases wont dump over as easy when full of powder waiting for the bullet. The other side is shallow for applying the lube.
Not having lube in the neck WILL NOT stick the case in a die. It's not good to expand the necks dry, but they cannot stick from it. I turn the whole tray and spray all four sides. As posted, you must allow some time for the cases to kind of dry. If you spray and try to size too soon they will positively stick.
All the "sizing wax" and small containers of stuff you rub on each individual case works great, but it gets a little impractical when you want to size several hundred {or more} 223 cases. I use the wax when I have 25-30 280AI cases to do, it works great for that...but when I have 500 223's...not a chance.
As stupid as this sounds, and I am pretty skeptical of most cheap easy fixes, it works and works great....get a bottle of "Ivory Liquid Ultra" dish soap. Put about 100 cases at a time in a big ziplock bag and squirt in a good jag of the dish soap. Shake the bag until all the cases are coated good and dump them out on a table with a new plastic trash bag or something they cant leak thru. Let the cases completely dry, which will take a few hours. When good and dry you will feel the lanolin and how slippery they are. Run them thru the size die and enjoy the most effortless, dent free, sticking free fastest sizing you will ever know.
I went to this method after somebody posted it on here several years ago. I find that I have to set up my size die for the proper headspace each time I size cases so I do as many as I can at a time, typically 500. This method is not that great for doing 25-30 at a time, even 100, I still spray with One Shot. It takes a lot to impress me these days {usually a trip to Tijuana!!!} but I was impressed with the way this works.
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I make my own lube, 90% or better alcohol and Lanolin. About a 1 to 12 mixture (12 ounces of Iso-Heet to 1 ounce of lanolin)

I've never had problems with sticking cases with Hornady LNL and their American die set for .223 using my recipe above. I probably make 500 rds a month in the fall and winter, with the temp around 45 deg in the garage (WA state)
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I have been loading for over 50 yrs. I have never loaded for
quantities, like guys are doing now for ARs and combat pistols.
I don't own a Hornady or Lee die. I have, that's why I don't
own any now. I'm not a bench rest shooter, but the whole point
of hand loading to me is to make precision ammo. I never put
lube in case necks, although I do brush them. I still lube on
Pad. Many lubes will work as long as it is applied correctly. Case
prep is 50% of loading. I usually load 100 rifle cartridges per
session, 500 pistol. Over the years I have had very little trouble
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Redding, ect- do your prep & lube and have less problems.
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I really like RCBS lube. I use a pad, damp it up with lube, roll the cases a few times and be sure to use a qtip and lube the neck inside. I've never had sizing trouble or a stuck case.
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Imperial wiped on with fingers. Neck dipped in graphite that Sinclair sells. Put in press, resize, wipe off with paper towel. On to the next step.
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I've used RCBS water soluble lube and pad since it first came on the market and use mica for neck lube. I've stuck exactly one case since 1974 and that was with the older non-water soluble RCBS lube. The water soluble lube easily rinses off. No having to use a rag or another trip through the tumbler to remove the lube.
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I didn't know RCBS changed their lube so obviously I've never tried it. Mine is from the 1970s and the bottle still is less than 1/4 used since I usually neck-size my rifle cases and use carbide handgun dies. I'll have to try the newer stuff.

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For a great many years I have used only STP as a case lube (or, as someone else mentioned, Johnson's Paste Wax works OK too, and is also a fair bullet lube) and powdered graphite for an inside case neck lube.

By the way - the easiest way to remove a stuck case in a die is dry ice - If you can find it. Let the die and case soak in dry ice for a few hours, and the case will fall right out. Brass shrinks far more under low temperature than steel does, over twice as much.
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Like DWalt mentioned , STP is an excellant case lube , It is a bit greasy , but gets the job done.
I had some 303 British , once fired in the largest chamber in creation, STP was the only thing that worked as a lube .
In a pinch the honey thick stuff will do the jod and it's not expensive .
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The two once tin of Imperial Sizing Wax costs less than $9.00 and will last you A LONG TIME, a little goes a long way! You will not stick a case ever again.
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The two once tin of Imperial Sizing Wax costs less than $9.00 and will last you A LONG TIME, a little goes a long way! You will not stick a case ever again.
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And a 16 ounce can of Johnson's Paste Wax is about $6 last time I looked. And it also works every bit as well as the much vaunted and far more expensive Renaissance Wax for use on your guns.
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For years, I used RCBS case lube with the case lube pad. I recently started reloading 223/5.56 . . . and needed new case lube . . . I ordered the Hornady UNIQUE case lube in the 4 ounce tub. I cannot say enough good things about this lube!! You use very little, and is so slick as to be almost effortless resizing your brass. Apply sparingly with fingers on outside and just a little inside the case mouth. I wipe clean with a cotton cloth. It's very inexpensive and this 4 ounce tub will outlast me, I'm afraid :-)
I use RCBS dies but had the exact same great experience as MyDads38. Am a former case lube pad user for necked cartridges and recently started using the wax-like Hornady UNIQUE Case Lube for .223 Rem.

Apply it very lightly with fingers on the outside (as you inspect the case carefully) and a little on a Q-Tip for inside the neck. Remember . . . a little dab'll do ya.

I do still apply One Shot on straight walled pistol cartridges using Dillon dies and continue to have great success.

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I've also got the LNL with both the Hornady dies and the Lee sizing die. So far resized about 1,500 cases and never had one stick. I'm using the Imperial Sizing Die Wax. It only takes a very light coat on each case and using a Q-tip I apply a little in the neck on every 10 cases or so. I also use the Q-tip to prelube the die too.

I use the Hornady One Shot on pistol cartridges and it's fine but the Imperial wax works much better on rifle.
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I've tried several different case lubes on bottle neck cases.. Then started using Imperial Sizing Wax ,, good stuff. I use the Hornady One shot on pistol cases also.
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I'd junk those Hornady dies. That should solve your problem. Hornady makes some good stuff but reloading dies ain't one of them.
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You have received good info on case lube... I use Hornady spray without issues but I would really like to see a pic of the die you broke in half - can you post a few?
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