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Default Range Fodder for the 500 S&W : ACME, HSM & RAINIER bullets

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I like to try different bullet/powder combinations & since I mainly shoot my 500 at an indoor range it makes no sense to use premium bullets for the mostly reduced loads used.

Here's a few low(er) cost alternatives I recently bought:

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HSM 300gr - Acme 330gr for 500 Mag


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Acme's 330gr. L-RNFP-HT (Hi-Tek coated) average 327.1grs. weight & .5021" diameter & has a BHN of 16. They are .708" long (BOL), have a seating depth (SD) of .390", at the crimp groove, & a loaded COAL of 1.940". Their flat base has a minimal bevel & overall uniformity is good.

Acme ships each caliber bullet in nice individual wooden boxes, laser etched (?) with their info on the outside & carefully packed in a cardboard shipping box. They even included some candies in an empty wooden box. Cost: $24/100 plus shipping. (Shipping cost me $12 for a 18# order & came USPS Priority 2nd Day.)

So far I've tried them with a couple of my established reduced loads, Unique @ 13.0 & 15.0grs and BlueDot @ 23.5 & 24.5grs with good results. Best of all, I didn't have any leading issues like I've had with other brands of HT coated bullets (see below), which is why I've shied away from them. I plan on trying them with my Power Pistol loads too, besides the usual slower powders, 2400, I4227 & W296 powders.

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Acme Bullets - typical box


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HSM's plated 300gr. hollow point (P-HP) bullets averaged 302grs. weight & .5001" diameter. They are .679" long (BOL), & have a seating depth of .340" (no cannelure) at a loaded COAL of 1.955". Their flat base has a minimal bevel & overall uniformity is good. Overall appearance is shiny but a very few had dark stains that didn't affect their functionality.

They don't say, but I expect like other plated bullet manufacturers, these are not really designed for hunting/self-defense like a normal hollow-point would be. They also didn't list the recommended max. speed but their email response to me stated 1250 fps. Seems kind of low but since these don't have a cannelure & are just 300grs. I figure they were originally intended for use in the 50AE. I flattened one bullet, with a 4lb. hand sledge, to about 1/3 it's original height & the plating held strong.

So far I've tried these with Unique @ 15.0 & 17.0grs. & BlueDot @ 22.5 & 23.5grs. with good results. The latter load is right at, or slightly over, their 1250 fps recommended max. but I did not notice any issues. (My 500ES's short 2-3/4" bbl. likely doesn't make the velocity the load data would approximate though.) These got a moderate taper crimp, which at my seating depth crimps on a diameter of .498", just forward of the ogive. I checked the last round before firing it & none jumped crimp.

HSM doesn't appear to sell their bullets direct, so you have to go thru a distributor. Cost: $45/250 plus shipping. (Shipping cost me $18 for two boxes, 22#, & it came USPS Priority 2nd Day.)

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Acme Bullets - commemorative box


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In the past I've tried Berry's 350gr plated bullets but their quality (diameter size & uniformity) in the box of 500 I got was poor. They actually shot okay, at this short distance, but because the cannelure is so close to the base (.249") there's not enough bullet-case tension to avoid jump crimp even in reduced loads. To reduce jump crimp I seat them a little deeper to a more normal for weight depth (.375") & ignore the shallow cannelure. Additionally the base is the widest point (.5003") but the diameter at this seating depth is undersized (.4986") even though it's on the bearing surface, before the ogive.

I also tried Missouri Bullet Co's .5007", flat base, 18BHN, 400gr L-RNFP-HT (Hi-Tek coated) bullets. These were pretty uniform bullets but I had the same problem with these as I did with their 41Mag & 44Mag HT coated bullets (the 45 Colt were fine), moderate speed powders caused leading but slower powders, at the same velocity, were fine. Not being able to use any powder I wanted, or had on-hand, is a problem for me. Their HT coats seemed thin & spotty in the ones I got even though they told me they had addressed their application procedure's quality.

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Update:

I loaded the Acme 330gr bullets with my reduced Power Pistol loads ranging from 18.2gr to 20.7gr, using a firm roll crimp (as above), & no issues (leading) with these loads either.

Ran the same loads using the HSM 300gr P-HP bullets & all were fine except the last load (20.7gr). I noticed some "debris" sprayed from the B-C gap on the first round, & then again on the second & concluded it was probably plating so I deduced their max. 1250fps MV must have been exceeded with it & pulled the remaining loads. That load should have been pretty much the same speed as the Unique & Bluedot loads above but irregardless I'll use a lower charge in the future.

Only loaded up (5) of each powder weight, to see if they had any issues so I don't have anything more at this time.

Just a reminder, always DOUBLE CHECK the case fill before seating the bullet on reduced loads in large capacity cases like this. A double charge of these won't overfill the case (~75-90% fill) so you don't want to be careless!

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I ran some I4227 with the Acme bullets, 35.0gr/37.0gr/39.0grs. No leading was encountered with those loads. I gave them a good roll crimp & had no ignition issues.

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Noticed these on sale when I was ordering some items from MidwayUSA & thought I'd give them a try.

Rainier's plated 335gr. hollow point (P-HP) bullets averaged 336grs. weight & .5006" diameter. They are .757" long (BOL), & have a seating depth of .400" (no cannelure) at a loaded COAL of 1.965". Their concave base has a slight bevel & overall uniformity is very good. Appearance is shiny. I did not notice any nose deformation from seating.

They are rated to 1500fps by Rainier. Cost: $20.50/100 or $86/500 plus shipping.

I've tried these with all the moderate speed powders mentioned above & no problems were encountered. Plated bullets like these just haven't given me good results with slow powders (slower than 2400). Without a cannelure & a strong roll crimp to get good ignition, & the powder burning, these are better suited with these moderate speed powders, IMO.

Of the plated bullets I've tried so far I like these the best. The 1500fps max is below Berry's 2000fps max. but the Rainier's quality is far better the Berry's, in the ones I sampled. For reduced indoor range fun loads 1500fps max. works for me.

Just one more option for some inexpensive range fodder in the 500 S&W.

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Rainier 335gr P-HP for 500 Mag

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