S&W HE
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Will be loading 41 Mag ammo soon and need your experiences with copper plated projectiles in the 1150fps to 1300fps range.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
41 Magnum Projectiles
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m657
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Admittedly limited use of anything but cast lead; about 5% of my use has been plated or jacketed. Didn't discern any advantage for my plinking/range games.
I have used a few thousand of the Berry's 41 Magnum 210s, but I have only run them on top of 7.6 grains of 231 so I doubt this gets up into your velocity range.
Above about 1150-1200 FPS I do not use plated in any caliber.
Above about 1150-1200 FPS I do not use plated in any caliber.
steveno
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if you are looking for 1,300 fps I would use jacketed bullets. the Hornady 210 gr hp is a good bullet. you might check with Midway to see if they still have the Remington 210 gr sp as it is a good bullet also and might be a little cheaper
You should go to the manufacturers website, all plated bullets aren't created equal, some are much thicker plating and will handle magnum velocities, others are thinner and standard velocities are recommended. Still others are lightly copper washed, that I would use lead data for.
peachhead
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I have a bunch of xtreme's 210 grain plated. My understanding is you can use load data for cast loads with plated (according to their site and I think Berry says the same thing). I know if you talk to Berry they have some loads they recommend. I don't know if plated bullets are intended to go much faster than 1000-1100 fps. I use a load with unique that is a hair over 1000. Some have said that you can use jacketed load data, start at the minimum and decrease by 10%. Take that with a grain of salt.
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fredj338
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Consider a good lead bullet instead. Nothing a plated bullet offers over lead but higher cost & more finicky loading. None of my magnums see anything but lead bullets, 900-1400fps.
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S&W HE
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You're exactly right. Plated bullet construction varies considerably.
I've been using X-Treme's Heavy Plate Concave Base bullets in the 10mm 1911s, which have been chronographed at up to 1400fps, with no problems.
I went to order their 210 grain 41 Mag bullets and noted these bullets appeared to be the standard "don't exceed 1200 fps" type. So I called customer service and asked what's the maximum velocity these bullets are rated for. Answer: That's a good question. Please email your question to Freedom Munitions and the technical staff will get back to you in 2 or 3 days. (No answer 4 days later. Quite disappointed!)
So I generated this thread in the hopes that someone has the answer... and have ordered 210 grain .410" plated bullets from their competition which may become my go to source.
And as for hard cast lead bullets, no thanks, I'm not interested.
I currently load and shoot .451" 200 grain H&G #68 and 240 grain hard cast LSWCs at 900-950 fps... and hate de-leading the barrels.
In my .$$ magnum load testing. I found PowerBond bullets to be one of the thickest plating of all the ones I've tried. The price is very close to copper jacketed, so for the money I have switched to jacketed. But if you can get PowerBond at a good price that would be the ticket
SuperMan
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I've been using Berry's for many years in several different calibers including .41 Magnum.
4" 57
8.0/ Unique/ 950 fps
9.0/ Unique/ 1100 fps
10.0/ Unique/ 1180 fps
22.0/ H110/ 1250 fps
Zero problems and have recovered bullets from a berm still totally intact...
And I also put the same heavy crimp on .41s that I do on jacketed and cast bullets.
Have run Berry's .380 RN-HB at 1400 from a .38 Super...again no problems..
Bob
4" 57
8.0/ Unique/ 950 fps
9.0/ Unique/ 1100 fps
10.0/ Unique/ 1180 fps
22.0/ H110/ 1250 fps
Zero problems and have recovered bullets from a berm still totally intact...
And I also put the same heavy crimp on .41s that I do on jacketed and cast bullets.
Have run Berry's .380 RN-HB at 1400 from a .38 Super...again no problems..
Bob
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peachhead
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That is pretty much the same as what I see with the xtreme 41s that I have, from a 7.5" Blackhawk.
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m657
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re: "and hate de-leading the barrels"
the last time I had consistent leading problems was back in my IHMSA days when hotter/faster/bigger blast was my goal.
I've had exactly 2 episodes of leading in the last 20 years with my big bore revolvers. I shoot lead about 95% of the time. Seldom have wanted the velocities you post, as I always got ....leading....
Even with quality FMJ 44 caliber IHMSA loads (mostly 1400+++) I suffered for a while before learning there was some other answer.
Good luck, I'd love to learn what you come up with that meets those goals.
the last time I had consistent leading problems was back in my IHMSA days when hotter/faster/bigger blast was my goal.
I've had exactly 2 episodes of leading in the last 20 years with my big bore revolvers. I shoot lead about 95% of the time. Seldom have wanted the velocities you post, as I always got ....leading....
Even with quality FMJ 44 caliber IHMSA loads (mostly 1400+++) I suffered for a while before learning there was some other answer.
Good luck, I'd love to learn what you come up with that meets those goals.
Qc Pistolero
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Only shoot lead in mine:Saeco SWC that comes out at 223gr.Not very hard but the gun spits them out at a little over 1300FPS out of my 5 1/2''bbl.No leading and as accurate as one of my friend whose got a 8 3/8 657; he shoots jacketed bullets only.Needless to say he's a wealthier man than I.
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fredj338
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If you get leading at such low vel. You are doing something very wrong. Bullet fit is king with lead, even plated for best results.
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S&W HE
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As luck would have it, I had to get off the dime and ordered 500 Berry's 210 grain plated FP .410" bullets about 10:00 this morning.
At 1:52 pm this afternoon X-Treme/Freedom Munitions finally got back to me. Their plated .410" FP bullet will work fine to 1300 fps as long as cartridge pressures don't exceed SAMI specs.
At 1:52 pm this afternoon X-Treme/Freedom Munitions finally got back to me. Their plated .410" FP bullet will work fine to 1300 fps as long as cartridge pressures don't exceed SAMI specs.
I've been happy with Xtreme's bullets in all my handguns. They're all I use in my range loads.
It's noteworthy that their 41Mag & 44Mag bullets are just standard plated & rated to 1200fps. Unlike in other calibers, they don't have any heavy plated bullets (1500fps) in either of these calibers.
I don't load them over their rated max. spped.
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It's noteworthy that their 41Mag & 44Mag bullets are just standard plated & rated to 1200fps. Unlike in other calibers, they don't have any heavy plated bullets (1500fps) in either of these calibers.
I don't load them over their rated max. spped.
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S&W HE
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Tell me the secret. What am I doing very wrong?
Am I using the wrong hard cast bullets? Who's should I try besides Berry's, MBC, Meister, or X-Treme.
For years folks have told me that their gun(s) don't lead with their favorite hard cast bullets and I must be doing something (very?) wrong.
All my gun barrels lead, regardless of who makes the bullets or the Brinell Hardness Number (BHN.) Some say my barrels must be rough. Do you think this includes the Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, and Bar-Sto barrels?
As for folks on line, I really don't know. As for locals, Mr. Lewis' Lead Remover continues to drag lead out of their "my gun doesn't lead" barrels.
Seriously, tell me what I'm doing wrong 'cause the Meister or MBC 200 grain H&G #68 hard cast bullet is extremely accurate in the Wilson Combat CQB, Dan Wesson PM7-45, Bar-Sto barreled Colt Gold Cup, and Kimber UC II 45s.
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cowboy4evr
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Fredj338 is " spot on " correct . "Fit is King " . I shoot nothing but cast and have been for yrs (can't afford the fancy bullets) . When the fit is right , there will be no leading . I cast and size my own stuff so I get the size I need . My 38/357's get .3585 , 41 mag gets .411 , 44's get .4315 , 45Colt gets .454 . The new " EDM " rifling does NOT cause leading nor does it cause accuracy problems . I have numerous newer Smith's , very accurate. In my 45 auto's , they get .454 .
If your barrel on your 45 auto's " groove diameter is .452 " , then you will need a cast bullet 1-2 thousandths larger . That's why I cast / size .454 for my 45acp's . Barrel roughness could be a problem , but I would first make sure you have the correct size cast bullet . I don't like that hard " crayon " lube most commercial casters use . Yrs ago , before I started casting and sizing my own I would tumble lube the commercial stuff in Lee's " Alox " , it definitely helped reduce the lead in a barrel by providing a better lube .
Remember , " Chore Boy " is the secret to removing lead from a barrel . It 's a pure copper scouring pad so just cut a small piece , wrap it around an old bore brush . In just a couple of min's you will remove all the lead . Do NOT buy any other brand as they are usually steel just coated in copper and will harm your barrel . " Chore Boy " is usually available at most walmarts , ace hdwe etc .
If your barrel on your 45 auto's " groove diameter is .452 " , then you will need a cast bullet 1-2 thousandths larger . That's why I cast / size .454 for my 45acp's . Barrel roughness could be a problem , but I would first make sure you have the correct size cast bullet . I don't like that hard " crayon " lube most commercial casters use . Yrs ago , before I started casting and sizing my own I would tumble lube the commercial stuff in Lee's " Alox " , it definitely helped reduce the lead in a barrel by providing a better lube .
Remember , " Chore Boy " is the secret to removing lead from a barrel . It 's a pure copper scouring pad so just cut a small piece , wrap it around an old bore brush . In just a couple of min's you will remove all the lead . Do NOT buy any other brand as they are usually steel just coated in copper and will harm your barrel . " Chore Boy " is usually available at most walmarts , ace hdwe etc .
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S&W HE
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Thanks for the insight. I don't cast my own so I'm at the mercy of the bullet sellers.
Increasing the bullet diameter should provide a better seal but also increase pressures. Correct?
How about using a slow burning powder?
Regarding Chore Boy, it does indeed work as you describe as does Mr. Lewis' Lead Remover. I've tried several liquid lead removers with limited success. Suggestions?
I do find it strange that you feel "at the mercy of the bullet sellers"
If the person that you are handing your hard earned money to is not supplying you with what you need, find someone else to do business with
Most all of the on-line bullet caster's web sites that I have looked at offer projectiles in 2 or 3 different diameters.
At least tell us what diameter projectile you are buying and what your revolvers are slugging out at.
