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Went to a fairly new range here in town for first time. Guy seemed really surprised I had more than one gun. Asked about brands of guns, caliber of ammo and manufacturer of ammo. When I told him I loaded ammo, he stated Reloads were not allowed. Only factory loaded bullets. Tried to sell me some off brand .38's for $25 a box. Nice place but seem more interested in clothing and shoes than guns. He's the only game in town but don't see him lasting long. I heard he does a lot of concealed permit classes but range was almost empty on Saturdst afternoon. Heard of some banning lead bullets but never Reloads.
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Of the 4 indoor ranges in my area 1 does not allow lead, one requires you to buy ammo from them. The other two are open to reloads. One allows all day shooting for $15.00. Deal. I spent about 2 1/2 hours there Fri afternoon.


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Old 03-18-2017, 11:04 PM
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Most times those rules are in place to sell more over priced ammo. I would not give them my business.

I have seen indoor ranges that only allow ammo they sell to be shot. If course the price is way over other store prices. They would never get my business lol.
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To the OP and first responder: You DO realize that no one has a clue where you are, what city you're in, or how this would pertain to them don't you? Update your profile to include at least a general location, or at the very least include it in your post if it's pertinent.
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Yeah, all the indoor ranges around here ban cast lead reloads. But they'll let you buy their Thunderbolts or Blazers with exposed lead bullets and shoot them all day. Hmmn, is the prohibition on cast lead reloads really about the lead, or is it about selling you ammo (at boutique prices of course)?

The good news is they will allow coated, plated, or jacketed reloads. If they ever start saying the ammo has to be purchased from them to shoot at their range, I'll stop darkening their door.
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My indoor range does not forbid reloads, but they do forbid non-jacketed bullets because of insurance (yes, I have seen the policy).

The lead issue is lead in the air, and eventual cumulative exposure levels.
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I was wondering about location myself.
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The location of the range I visited was Florence, SC. about 10 miles from where i live. They seem to be more into clothing and shoes than firearms. Tons of t-shirts, hoodies and jackets with their logo. Looks like a clothing store more than a gun range. Brand new facility and nicest range I've ever been in but certainly not shooter friendly.
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I used to shoot at a "no reloads allowed" range.

I shot hand loaded plated RN bullets - I just brought them to the range in previously used Speer Lawman ammo boxes. Since Speer Lawman always has FMJ or TMJ bullets, a TMJ is what they saw if they ever bothered to inspect them. It was a total non problem.

If the range operator ever suspects anything, he's not likely to say anything as he's got plausible deniability, and it's as much or more about limiting his liability if some moron's handholds "kaboom" as it is about selling you ammunition.

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I do not have a problem with a ban on lead bullets on an indoor range. It has nothing to do with what happens at the back stop, it's about what happens at the gun.

The lubes used on most cast bullets do create a fair amount of smoke and a couple shooters emptying 15 round magazines in rapid fire can temporarily overwhelm the ventilation system and smoke the place up a bit. In that regard I can see some reasoning behind a cast bullet ban.

If you've shot cast bullets in a revolver, you'll note some lead deposited on the forcing cone, and possibly on the top strap, so you know there is at least some small lead particles being thrown out the cylinder gap, Also, not all the lead that's been gas cut off the base of a lead bullet in a pistol or revolvers stays in the bore - some of it is also coming sideways out the muzzle.

That lead at the shooter end of the range is a problem, particularly when you have to rely on forced air ventilation to draw the contaminants downrange. That lead in the air isn't clearing any faster than the smoke from the lube.

For the occasional customer it may not be a problem, for it can be a big deal for a range staff and the range officers that end up having to have blood tests for lead levels every six months or so.
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I used to shoot at a "no reloads allowed" range.

I shot hand loaded plated RN bullets - I just brought them to the range in previously used Speer Lawman ammo boxes. Since Speer Lawman always has FMJ or TMJ bullets, a TMJ is what they saw if they ever bothered to inspect them. It was a total non problem.

If the range operator ever suspects anything, he's not likely to say anything as he's got plausible deniability, and it's as much or more about limiting his liability if some moron's handholds "kaboom" as it is about selling you ammunition.

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I do not have a problem with a ban on lead bullets on an indoor range. It has nothing to do with what happens at the back stop, it's about what happens at the gun.

The lubes used on most cast bullets do create a fair amount of smoke and a couple shooters emptying 15 round magazines in rapid fire can temporarily overwhelm the ventilation system and smoke the place up a bit. In that regard I can see some reasoning behind a cast bullet ban.

If you've shot cast bullets in a revolver, you'll note some lead deposited on the forcing cone, and possibly on the top strap, so you know there is at least some small lead particles being thrown out the cylinder gap, Also, not all the lead that's been gas cut off the base of a lead bullet in a pistol or revolvers stays in the bore - some of it is also coming sideways out the muzzle.

That lead at the shooter end of the range is a problem, particularly when you have to rely on forced air ventilation to draw the contaminants downrange. That lead in the air isn't clearing any faster than the smoke from the lube.

For the occasional customer it may not be a problem, for it can be a big deal for a range staff and the range officers that end up having to have blood tests for lead levels every six months or so.
I agree. Grab a couple of empty boxes of factory ammo and put your reloads into there. What are they gonna do, inspect your brass stamps? I haven't shot a box of factory in years and don't intend to.
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I used to shoot at a range that required you to buy your ammo or reloading components from them. On the other hand, the use of their range was free. If the ammo was overpriced, the use of the range all day if you wanted to, more than made up for it.

I've had them check my ammo or ask for a receipt in the beginning. After they'd seen me for a while, they stopped asking. I almost never bought ammo there, but did buy my reloading components from them.

The indoor range I belong to now doesn't allow lead bullets except for (1) 22 LR, and (2) cartridges they don't carry that don't normally come loaded in anything but lead bullets. 44 Special is one that I've checked on. BUT, it has to be fired it 44 Special guns. If you're shooting it in a magnum gun, it has to have jacketed/plated bullets.
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The new indoor range in my area charges $17.00 hr, and you gotta buy ammo from them. I've never shot there, nor plan too. There is never many autos parked there.
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The location of the range I visited was Florence, SC. about 10 miles from where i live. They seem to be more into clothing and shoes than firearms. Tons of t-shirts, hoodies and jackets with their logo. Looks like a clothing store more than a gun range. Brand new facility and nicest range I've ever been in but certainly not shooter friendly.
Isn't there a real gun club in the area which you can join? Most clubs offer outdoor and indoor handgun ranges of varying yardages as well as all sorts of other shooting venues. Membership usually is well worth the cost and you'll find many helpful fellow members with years and years of shooting, reloading and varying degrees of competitive experience instead of mostly newer gun owners like those often encountered at public ranges.

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Sadly, this is the only one closer than an hour and a half ride. Ironically we have arguably the best gunsmith in the country in Jim Kelly, but gun clubs and ranges are non existent. We have lots of hunters but most shooters are rifle shooters who are good with shooting down a dirt road off the hood of a truck. Got a feeling this guy will come around unless he's got so much money he doesn't need the business. Guy working the counter did say they have a lot of "walk outs" because of the reload ban. Luckily I live in the country and can shoot in my back yard anytime weather permits. Just like the idea of climate control and the retrievable targets. Much easier to adjust distances. I do go to Augusta Ga at least once a month and they have a real friendly range there
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Unfortunately there are all sorts of policies and restrictions. That being said, there is a proliferation of indoor ranges all over the place. Did EPA change a policy? There are also range improvements and changes. Any owners or managers have detailed information?
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No problem. Put your ammo in factory boxes. I hate stupid range policies.

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I wouldn't patronize a range that prohibited my handloads either but from being in a business's management, I get where the range owner is coming from.

It is probably his liability insurance company that prohibits your handloads. To many of them, we are "basement bombers" (that's how one of my former employers referred to us) and our ammunition is of questionable quality. If the range owner shopped for other coverage, he obviously would find a company that didn't care about handloads as not every range prohibits them. But he may have chosen his present company due to their lower premium so changing to a more shooter-friendly carrier might increase what you have to pay to shoot there.

Face it, we're not politically correct and we have to put up with some inconveniences because of that.

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I went to a new to me range yesterday. They charge 13 dollars for two hours if you buy their ammo or 15 dollars for two hours if you use your own ammo. I used mine. It's a nice range with nice people. I can deal with a 2 dollar surcharge. I could become a member 325 dollars which gives me unlimited weekday range time. This is an air conditioned, indoor range with an automated target retrieval system. This seems like a reasonable deal to me.
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Every indoor range around here that I've been to has a no exposed lead policy.
A few years ago I joined a gun club and haven't shot at a indoor range since. Yearly cost is about 3 indoor range visits. Biggest problem the club has is yahoo's shooting steel core ammo at steel targets and punching holes in it. A couple more incidents and the club is ready to pull all the steel targets, including pistol bays. Some people...
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The lead issue is lead in the air, and eventual cumulative exposure levels.
I realize that is what they all claim. But if it is really about the potential lead exposure, why will they sell bare lead 22lr and let people shoot hundreds of rounds of it?

Which really puts more lead in the air? A couple of hundred soft swaged lead 22s (hot enough to run 1200 fps or more) or 100 of my mild hard cast 44 mag reloads (at 900 or 1000 fps)?

Seems to me that it would be the 22s - especially since people shoot so many of them. But since the range sells them, I guess that makes it OK?

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No lead bullets is pretty standard around here.

No reloads in rental guns is also standard, but none of the ranges here ban reloads for your personal guns.

I can live with the no reloads in rental guns policy.
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No lead bullets is pretty standard around here.

No reloads in rental guns is also standard, but none of the ranges here ban reloads for your personal guns.

I can live with the no reloads in rental guns policy.
You bet. I wouldn't want just any yahoo off the street shooting their reloads in my guns either.
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What is wrong with outdoor ranges? I will not go to an indoor range due to the quality of the air due the pollution from the burnt powder and lead in the air. Went to a FBI Firearms Instructors Course and the agent advised against indoor ranges. When stationed in Pittsburgh we had an indoor range that was closed due to lead, had to wear complete protective clothing and a respirator just to go into it after the EPA closed it. So for me no indoor ranges. Luckliy for me I have a great outdoor range 6 miles from my house. goshootingirc.com | Home
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I wouldn't patronize a range that prohibited my handloads either but from being in a business's management, I get where the range owner is coming from.

It is probably his liability insurance company that prohibits your handloads. To many of them, we are "basement bombers" (that's how one of my former employers referred to us) and our ammunition is of questionable quality. If the range owner shopped for other coverage, he obviously would find a company that didn't care about handloads as not every range prohibits them. But he may have chosen his present company due to their lower premium so changing to a more shooter-friendly carrier might increase what you have to pay to shoot there.

Face it, we're not politically correct and we have to put up with some inconveniences because of that.

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I was told it was for "safety reasons". In a way I can sort of see that, however my argument was who is day in day out going to be safer, the shooter who spends $500-$100 dollars in equipment to not only save a few bucks, but at the same time create the best shooting ammo we can or the yahoo who buys his first gun and starts banging away! I've been loading off and on over 30 years and 99.9% of the loaders I've met are way more safety concerned than the average new gun buyer who I've found usually buys a bigger caliber than he can handle.
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Went to a fairly new range here in town for first time. Guy seemed really surprised I had more than one gun. Asked about brands of guns, caliber of ammo and manufacturer of ammo. When I told him I loaded ammo, he stated Reloads were not allowed. Only factory loaded bullets. Tried to sell me some off brand .38's for $25 a box. Nice place but seem more interested in clothing and shoes than guns. He's the only game in town but don't see him lasting long. I heard he does a lot of concealed permit classes but range was almost empty on Saturdst afternoon. Heard of some banning lead bullets but never Reloads.
That's why I have never been to range and why I will never go to one. Too many restrictions.

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What is wrong with outdoor ranges? I will not go to an indoor range due to the quality of the air due the pollution from the burnt powder and lead in the air. Went to a FBI Firearms Instructors Course and the agent advised against indoor ranges. When stationed in Pittsburgh we had an indoor range that was closed due to lead, had to wear complete protective clothing and a respirator just to go into it after the EPA closed it. So for me no indoor ranges. Luckliy for me I have a great outdoor range 6 miles from my house. goshootingirc.com | Home
Absolutely nothing wrong with the outdoor range - weather permitting. I actually prefer shooting outdoors.

You're in Florida, so this may sound odd to you, but up here in the opposite corner, we just got done with over 3 months of temperatures that never got above freeing, complete with over a foot of snow on the ground. Weather like that kinda puts a damper on the fun of going to an outdoor range.

Then there are also those who don't have an outdoor range nearby. I have one about 5 miles from my house and another one less than 10 miles from my vacation property at the lake. But some people aren't that lucky.

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Outdoor ranges are not practical up North - 20 below,high winds & snowdrifts make for a lousy day - if you can even get into the range.
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Outdoor ranges are not practical up North - 20 below,high winds & snowdrifts make for a lousy day - if you can even get into the range.
I have a friend that lives in Crawford County, Pa. and he has his own range. When I am there we shoot in whatever the weather. Have laid in the snow to shoot rifles. Guess we are to cheap to use an indoor range. Besides there are not any in his area. It is not all peaches and cream here for weather also, many times in the winter it is upper 30's when we get to the range. Yes, it warms up latter in the day and then we see a bunch of folks show up, but it sure is nice to have the range to ourselves.
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Most times those rules are in place to sell more over priced ammo. I would not give them my business.

I have seen indoor ranges that only allow ammo they sell to be shot. If course the price is way over other store prices. They would never get my business lol.
The only valid situation I've seen for this policy is with the clubs rental guns. No owner wan't to see their guns used as a test bed for someone reloads.
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I have a friend that lives in Crawford County, Pa. and he has his own range. When I am there we shoot in whatever the weather. Have laid in the snow to shoot rifles. Guess we are to cheap to use an indoor range. Besides there are not any in his area. It is not all peaches and cream here for weather also, many times in the winter it is upper 30's when we get to the range. Yes, it warms up latter in the day and then we see a bunch of folks show up, but it sure is nice to have the range to ourselves.
Yeah, upper thirties is a lot different than mid twenties. Especially when the HIGH temp for the day is mid twenties.

So then if there were an indoor range 10 miles from your buddy's house in PA, would you still lay out in the snow to shoot - if you could shoot indoors in your shirt sleeves all day for 15 or 20 bucks each?

I'd be surprised at anybody making that choice, but if you would, then you're way cheaper than me - and I'm pretty darned cheap.
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Yeah, upper thirties is a lot different than mid twenties. Especially when the HIGH temp for the day is mid twenties.

So then if there were an indoor range 10 miles from your buddy's house in PA, would you still lay out in the snow to shoot - if you could shoot indoors in your shirt sleeves all day for 15 or 20 bucks each?

I'd be surprised at anybody making that choice, but if you would, then you're way cheaper than me - and I'm pretty darned cheap.
No, we would not pay to shoot indoors. Much more convenient to shoot at his house, to much stuff drag around. If we get to cold we go inside. We have shot in all sorts of weather : rain sleet snow and below freezing with wind chills in the low teens, in the service. Call us stupid or cheap...maybe we just want to prove to ourselves that we still can.
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The no lead bullets at open to public ranges is a variation I haven't run into. The ranges that have an ammo policy that you have to buy their ammo.

I prefer outdoor , but in large metropolitan areas, private Clubs with outdoor ranges are few, at a distance away, and expensive, have long waiting lists for memberships, or both.

The reality is without indoor ranges, 90% of shooters would never actually shoot, or have to drive multiple hours each way to shoot.
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I was told it was for "safety reasons". In a way I can sort of see that, however my argument was who is day in day out going to be safer, the shooter who spends $500-$100 dollars in equipment to not only save a few bucks, but at the same time create the best shooting ammo we can or the yahoo who buys his first gun and starts banging away! I've been loading off and on over 30 years and 99.9% of the loaders I've met are way more safety concerned than the average new gun buyer who I've found usually buys a bigger caliber than he can handle.
I agree.

In addition, I've encountered far more issues with un-contained gas events or other cartridge failures at our club range with shooters using the cheapest available ammo than I have observed with shooters using hand loads.

But...range officers will normally question someone new who shows up with hand loads about their loads and loading practices. If they look and sound like they know what they are doing they'll be watched for a bit, and the brass will be subtly inspected, but once they've demonstrated they won't blow themselves up, they won't ever be bothered again.
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What is wrong with outdoor ranges? I will not go to an indoor range due to the quality of the air due the pollution from the burnt powder and lead in the air. Went to a FBI Firearms Instructors Course and the agent advised against indoor ranges. When stationed in Pittsburgh we had an indoor range that was closed due to lead, had to wear complete protective clothing and a respirator just to go into it after the EPA closed it. So for me no indoor ranges. Luckliy for me I have a great outdoor range 6 miles from my house. goshootingirc.com | Home
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Absolutely nothing wrong with the outdoor range - weather permitting. I actually prefer shooting outdoors.

You're in Florida, so this may sound odd to you, but up here in the opposite corner, we just got done with over 3 months of temperatures that never got above freeing, complete with over a foot of snow on the ground. Weather like that kinda puts a damper on the fun of going to an outdoor range.

Then there are also those who don't have an outdoor range nearby. I have one about 5 miles from my house and another one less than 10 miles from my vacation property at the lake. But some people aren't that lucky.
I grew up in South Dakota and spent a fair bit of my adult life there. It wasn't unusual in December and January for the temperature to stay below zero for 2-3 weeks at a stretch.

When I was young I'd limit the range time to whatever was needed for zeroing, then go hunt rabbits or coyotes for the actual "shooting" bit. You can dress properly and deal with the cold. It's actually the heat in July and August that's harder to avoid.

If you're going to be shooting for an extended period in the winter (and I don't regard the 20-30 degree, almost no wind mornings in Florida as "winter"), for load development, etc, a 10x10 canopy tent with sidewalls on 3 sides to block the wind, along with a 15,000 BTU tank top propane space heater gives you a more or less an indoor range to put over your shooting bench.

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An indoor range does have it's uses. When I was stationed in Arlington, I used the NRA headquarters range on a weekly basis. It was loud, infested with too many wannabe shooters (the kind who think a mag dump with a 16" AR-15 in an indoor range is a good idea) and the ventilation and climate control was just adequate.

But on the positive side the target system was excellent letting you set distance, and target exposure times in a few different modes, including random presentation times between set high and low limits. It really helped me improve by ability to shoot accurately at speed.

The only major beef I had with them was the inconsistency in range officers. Some would have no issues with me drawing from concealment, while others would not allow anything other than a low ready, and still others would not even allow a low ready position - which made practicing pretty much a wasted effort. It also appeared to depend somewhat on the quality of the other shooters on the range, an indication that the RO's did not want to allow me to do something that other shooters could not potentially do safely.

If you look at the floor, ceiling and walls (especially on the outside lanes) at most indoor ranges, you'll see ample evidence of why range operators don't trust most shooters. Some shooters, present company excluded of course, are not all that bright.

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No problem. Put your ammo in factory boxes. I hate stupid range policies.
They are not "stupid" range policies. The issue with indoor ranges and lead is the lead dust POST CLEANUP. I belong to a gun club that has an indoor range and the elevated lead dust issues when sweeping up the lead particles is a concerning health issue. Our indoor range is currently closed and the BOD is attempting to figure out environmentally safe methods to remove the lead from the range.
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All ranges around here that I know of allow the use of whatever except reloads in rentals AND tracers. Otherwise you can shoot your reloaded steel case 50BMG till your blue in the face.

Oh and one range that I know of doesn't allow bird shot. It's possible that the others don't either but I heard an employee mentioning it to a customer so I know this one specific range doesn't

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I think that most kabooms involve reloads. It could be that some creative attorney tried to extend the liability for the damage and injuries, if any, to the range itself in an effort to reach deeper pockets. After all, it's never the shooter's fault.

The gun industry has several trade publications that you won't see on newsstands in which information circulates. This could be where range practices get propagated. Two of them are, Shot Business and Shooting industry.
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Had our first indoor range on my radar for over two years while construction was underway (I bid on the roof, didn't get it, but it did serve as notice we were getting a RANGE!). There's not even an outdoor range nearby, except for out behind my house.

I went there when they opened and saw it was really nice. Rifle or handgun out to 25 yards with target retrieval system and all. $17 and hour for non members, $12 for 1/2 hour, I was about to join up for $20 bucks a month. Then I read the fine print "No Reloads". Didn't even look any further about shooting lead or picking up brass. I may go out and buy some factory stuff for the boxes and try them out hourly first. Sure was a big let down after waiting so long for it.
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I was told it was for "safety reasons". In a way I can sort of see that, however my argument was who is day in day out going to be safer, the shooter who spends $500-$100 dollars in equipment to not only save a few bucks, but at the same time create the best shooting ammo we can or the yahoo who buys his first gun and starts banging away! I've been loading off and on over 30 years and 99.9% of the loaders I've met are way more safety concerned than the average new gun buyer who I've found usually buys a bigger caliber than he can handle.
Yes & no. It is mostly so they make you buy their over priced ammo. You drive all the way there to shoot & then find out you can't shoot your ammo. Finds another range.
There is an indoor range 10m from my house, I will drive 2-3hr to avoid shooting at an indoor range in general, certainly one that makes me buy ammo to shoot there or keeps MY brass. If I can find an outdoor club in phrigging kalifornistan, you can find one in any state.
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No, we would not pay to shoot indoors. Much more convenient to shoot at his house, to much stuff drag around. If we get to cold we go inside. We have shot in all sorts of weather : rain sleet snow and below freezing with wind chills in the low teens, in the service. Call us stupid or cheap...maybe we just want to prove to ourselves that we still can.
LOL! Must be a Marines thing

I have shot in all kinds of weather too. But THIS old man has no need to "prove" that I can be wet and cold and miserable when I don't have to be. I'll choose to give the indoor range my twenty bucks when the temps are below freezing.

I just leave the bare lead reloads at home and take along some plated or coated instead.
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Having land in the hills of Oklahoma allows me to shoot anything there I darn well please. Locally, here in Texas, I shoot at a range that allows anything. Plus as a senior citizen it is $7 per gun, all day.
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Reno has a buy my ammo, range..........just looked around.
They do have rentals and FULL Automatic weapons, though.

The $15 range is ok but you have to buy their targets.
Which is fine. I have several large felt pens, if I don't like their styles.
All ammo is ok, which is a blessing.
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The indoor commercial range closest to me has gone thru a series of owners with varying and changing rules. Some owners have allowed you to bring in factory ammo purchased elsewhere and reloads. Others required you to purchase their ammo only (this was relaxed during the ammo shortages; you were allowed to bring in “outside” ammo with an increased range fee). One, now closed, range’s policy on brass was: “If it hits the floor it belongs to the store”.

The crumbiest deal I experienced was that one of the range owners stocked and sold reloading equipment and components. A guy I shot with bought a progressive reloading machine and components from the range’s inventory and started making his own ammo. Less than a year later that same owner adopted a “No Reloads” policy! Obliviously, my friend never went back to that range.
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I went to an indoor range that restricted ammo, once. It was fairly new and the feller checking me in told me no reloads. I didn't shoot that day and ain't been back since...
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When I told him I loaded ammo, he stated Reloads were not allowed. Only factory loaded bullets.
Find another range. Seriously.

The club where I shoot fully supports hand loading. They sell a full line of supplies - at better prices then the local shops.
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We finally got an indoor range several years ago, about 25 miles south. Winter gets a lot colder than the 20's up here, more than willing to drive to keep up shooting skills/pleasure. As soon as it approaches 20 degrees Fahrenheit, or the snow gets deep, usually go indoors.

They allow reloads, unless you rent a firearm from them to use. They allow you to pick up your brass, so long as you stay behind the firing line and don't pester anyone. Voluntarily limit the lead reloads to limit smoke. Not that big of deal to use plated/jacketed reloads.
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An indoor range near one of my California friends has some simple rules:

1. Store ammunition in rental guns.
2. Handloads okay in customer's guns.
3. Lead bullets, copper-plated bullets, copper jacketed bullets are okay. No steel jacketed bullets. They told me that steel jacketed bullets cause damage to the backstops.
4. Black powder muzzleloading rifles and handguns are okay.
5. No centerfire rifles.

I haven't been there in about a year. I hope the rules haven't changed. However, there is a nice outdoor range just East of Carson City on Hwy 50, and an nice outdoor range South of Gardnerville off of Hwy 395.
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That lead at the shooter end of the range is a problem, particularly when you have to rely on forced air ventilation to draw the contaminants downrange. That lead in the air isn't clearing any faster than the smoke from the lube.

For the occasional customer it may not be a problem, for it can be a big deal for a range staff and the range officers that end up having to have blood tests for lead levels every six months or so.
Before I retired and at the old indoor range, someone from CalOSHA came by and said we had high lead levels. No tests, but just the opinion of the CalOSHA guy. Three of us had to have our blood drawn for lead tests. The results; the other two had no detectable levels of lead, and I was just a hair above the limit of detection and nowhere near a level that would be of any concern. Since Vitamin C is known to help remove heavy metals form our systems, I suggested that the Department supply us with copious amounts of fresh orange juice every morning. My suggestion, as with most of my suggestions, was ignored.
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