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I haven't loaded 9mm Luger ammo since 1995, but recently started again after acquiring a Glock G26. I previously used Unique and WAP (Winchester Action Pistol), but I figured I would try the newer Alliant BE-86 powder after reading a few reviews. I followed Alliant's published data for 124g jacketed hollow points. I was surprised at the high level of recoil I experienced, even at mid level charges. But what really surprised me was the mess it made in my powder measure. When I decided to remove the BE-86 from the powder measure to try another powder, I found that it was clinging to the inside walls and could not be removed without disassembling the powder measure, washing it in soapy hot water, and then mechanically removing it with a brush. The next day, I decided to load some more rounds with BE-86 and had the same problem when it was time to switch powders.
For this reason alone, I will not use it again. I also found that I got much better accuracy with Unique, the powder that everyone loves to hate. Everyone except for me, that is.

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I have only seen 1 (one) (ONE) pound of BE 86 in my life so I'm glad I'm not missing anything.
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If you rub a dryer sheet fabric softener on the inside of your measure it eliminates the static charge that keeps powder there.
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BE 86 is very available around here. I have loaded several sessions with it and never had any issues with it in my Uniflow.

It seems to shoot fine but I have only plinked at 7 and 10 yards so can't really vouch for it's accuracy.
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It's Bullseye 86. Similar chemistry.
Nitroglycerin/nitrocellulose.
Never leave it in your plastic hopper longer than necessary.
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:15 AM
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Neither Bullseye nor Unique stick in this powder measure. BE-86 does.
Strange, but there it is.
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Neither Bullseye nor Unique stick in this powder measure. BE-86 does.
Strange, but there it is.
Yeaa,and I'll stick to BE Uniqul Also
Must be that old timers thing.....
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I'm no old-timer, and the first powder I ever loaded with was Bullseye. The powder I have in largest supply is Unique, and I just picked up 2400 to try because I enjoy .44 Magnums and big ol' fireballs.

I mean, I also have HP-38, WST, Titegroup, IMR 700-X, Universal, and Accurate #2 and #5, but still.

And yes, I really do use ten different powders to load four different handgun cartridges.

And yes, I think it's time to admit I have a problem.
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The dryer sheet is good advice. Much better than taking soap and water to your reloading equipment. You didn't really do that, did you???
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...But what really surprised me was the mess it made in my powder measure. When I decided to remove the BE-86 from the powder measure to try another powder, I found that it was clinging to the inside walls and could not be removed without disassembling the powder measure, washing it in soapy hot water, and then mechanically removing it with a brush.
For this reason alone, I will not use it again...
BE-86 is not the problem.
Sounds like you have a problem with your powder measure.

I use BE-86 in everything from 9mm to 45 Colt with outstanding results.
It's very close to Unique in load charge weights and burn rate.

It has become my favorite powder. I buy a pound of it every payday.
If I could have only one powder, it would be BE-86.


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I use BE-86 and have had no issues. I even leave it in the powder measure with no problems (livin' on the edge!).
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:14 AM
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I take a sheet of white paper from my copier and roll it up and slide it in my powder measure. Eliminates any problems.
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The dryer sheet is good advice. Much better than taking soap and water to your reloading equipment. You didn't really do that, did you???
Only the clear plastic part that contains the powder, not the metal parts below it.
I will try the drier sheet approach and report back when I have results.

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Yeaa,and I'll stick to BE Uniqul Also
Must be that old timers thing.....
What is BE Uniqul?
Actually, I don't buy the 'old timers' explanation regarding the continued popularity of Unique. There is a reason why this product is still popular other than a bunch of old luddites who refuse to try anything new. So I guess I exaggerated when I said that Unique is the powder that everybody loves to hate except for me. Obviously there is still strong demand for it. But it is probably the most often dissed powder on the internet.
Of course, this has nothing to do with BE-86.

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Old 07-16-2017, 09:48 AM
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I think he was abbreviating Alliant Bullseye and Unique. Could you enlighten us with the brand of powder measure you are having trouble with?
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I think he was abbreviating Alliant Bullseye and Unique. Could you enlighten us with the brand of powder measure you are having trouble with?
I have a Dillon RL550B. I have five different powder measures that I use for all the rifle and pistol calibers I load. They are all of similar construction: a clear plastic hopper attached to a metal charging mechanism.
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I have a Dillon RL550B. I have five different powder measures that I use for all the rifle and pistol calibers I load. They are all of similar construction: a clear plastic hopper attached to a metal charging mechanism.
I have Dillons as well. Could it be that wherever you are reloading has high humidity? I have no experience with BE-86, but some powder are more hygroscopic than others. At the other end of the spectrum, maybe your reloading area is super dry and as a result there is a high propensity for static charge buildup. I also use dryer sheets to try to remove the static from my Dillon powder measures.
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I have Dillons as well. Could it be that wherever you are reloading has high humidity? I have no experience with BE-86, but some powder are more hygroscopic than others. At the other end of the spectrum, maybe your reloading area is super dry and as a result there is a high propensity for static charge buildup. I also use dryer sheets to try to remove the static from my Dillon powder measures.
I live in Arizona. Humidity was 65% on the day this happened, but I was reloading in an air conditioned room so it was probably a bit lower. I am checking results with a different, older powder hopper that has never had this problem. I will report on this later today.
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OK. I loaded an older powder measure with BE-86 to about half full and let it sit for an hour. After this time, all the powder was able to pour back out without any left clinging to the inside. So it must have been the new powder measure. I will try the drier sheet trick on it. Thanks for all the replies.
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Give BE-86 a chance. I think you'll be impressed.
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I have used BE and BE-86 with zero issues in my cheapo Lee powder dispenser. I will say it packs a more a snap than regular Bullseye, the fps will tell you that.
The BE86 for me seems to run pretty clean, so no objections but would start at Alliants lowest dose then work your way up. Their website data I believe shows max load so take that less 10% for starters.
Generally the clinging is a static issue but at times plastics have their own adhesion characteristics at times.
The powder 'mess' must be the powder getting between the swipe in the drum, can you add more tension to the assembly to tighten up a bit?
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I wanted to respond to the OP comment on the recoil of his G26. I have 3 G17s, a G19 and a G26. While I'm no expert and my experience may not be typical, I find that for several reasons the G26 can be a handful to shoot.

Several things, the first is the grip area is small. Not much grip area to spread out the impact. Not as bad as a J-frame but still an issue. I have pearse mag extensions that improve things somewhat. I put rubber O rings at the base of the mags because the mag extensions create a pinch point.

Second is the short nested dual recoil springs make it such that you have to load fairly stout loads to get the slide to cycle reliably. What is a very soft and reliable load that is flawless in my G17 and G19 will not put the G26 into slide lock.

I found that leaving the unloaded gun in slide lock position for a month make the springs a bit less aggressive.

As far as powder goes I use titegroup and get static cling. In addition to the other remedies I have a baby bottle brush that I use to dislodge the powder from inside the measure. I always clean my measure out when I'm finished for the day.
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I find that for several reasons the G26 can be a handful to shoot.

Several things, the first is the grip area is small. Not much grip area to spread out the impact. Not as bad as a J-frame but still an issue. I have pearse mag extensions that improve things somewhat. I put rubber O rings at the base of the mags because the mag extensions create a pinch point.
Thomas, I tried the grip extensions on my G30s and found that the pinch point left me with a blood blister on my pinky finger. I took the extensions off and resolved to just shoot both baby Glocks two fingered, with my pinky off the grip. I would appreciate further info (a photo, maybe?) regarding your o-ring solution. Thanks!
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All my 38, 357 and 9mm loads with BE86 have been just chrony test
so I have yet to dump it in my powder tube, since I just fill a small glass bowl and a aluminum spoon to load the few cases.

So far It is very much like Unique for my high and low fps test.
I will get into the accuracy test after I get its speed logged down.

I am happy with it, so far......... no regrets yet.
Still a lot of light target J frame and 9mm to do, though.
Wondering if the cases will get as "Sooty" as the w231 and CFE powders
at the minimum loadings.
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OK. I loaded an older powder measure with BE-86 to about half full and let it sit for an hour. After this time, all the powder was able to pour back out without any left clinging to the inside. So it must have been the new powder measure. I will try the drier sheet trick on it. Thanks for all the replies.
You need to run a pound (or more) of powder through any new measure to get the surfaces coated so as powder doesn't stick.
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BE-86 is my favorite new powder. I bought 8 pounds last year and am down to my last 2. I use it for 9mm, 45 Auto and .357. Never had an issue with using it in my Lee powder measure. I also keep a drier sheet in the hopper when not in use.
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Bullseye type powders, as Bullseye, BE86 and Power Pistol, have a tendency to cling to power measures. I use dryer non cling clothes and store them in my measure when not in use. You my require a light taping of the measure when emptying to get the few remaining granules to drop out.
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I like Unique also , for decades it was the only powder I used for shotshell , cast bullet rifle and handgun loading. In handguns I've used it on everything from 32 acp to 45 acp and every revolver round from 38 S&W to 45 colt. It can be used for them all.
An old Lyman 55 measure will meter it just fine.
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It's probably static electricity that's causing the powder to stick. I'm having a minor version of this problem with Power Pistol. A clean, dry artists paint brush will remove the 'clingons'.

Back in the day, removal of clinging behavior was supposed to be cured by washing the part in a detergent/water mix and drying it without a rinse. I can't recall trying it. I have brushed graphite on various powder measure parts to prevent the issue, never tried it with the plastic tube, but should work.

Running a pound or so of powder through the measure is intended to leave a mist of the graphite from the powder coating on the working parts. Pretty much the same thing as what I did/do with a brush and graphite. Getting the graphite out of the brush is a wee bit of a trial.
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