Hello. I need an advice reloading some +P .45s. Currently I only have Universal Clays powder but I think it is good enough for the purpose.
I need to load some hot +P ammo in different weights - 230 grain, 200 and 185. I found a good recipe for the 230 grain FMJ bullet - 6.3 grains max of universal for nearly 1000fps from 5 inch barrel. This is exactly what I want, quickload also reports it is within the pressure limits of +P.
Now I need advice for 200 and 185 grains +P hot loads, somewhere near maximum. I couldn't find enough info about this.
It would be used in 1911 STI, not regularly of course.
Thanks!

This would be found in the 45 plus pee forum.

Published loads are found here.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Hoodgdon are quite conservative about the max loads data. Still can't find any info. I will appreciate some proven loads.

If you're looking for "STI only hot loads", you're more likely to find something on Brian Enos forum than here.

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Well we are "conservatives"

A simple Google search pulls up many, many loads, you may have to chose a different powder.

About 192,000 results (0.82 seconds)

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Name one? A+P load with Universal(as I said this is the only powder I can use at the moment). Your answer is not of help to me, please ignore my thread if you don't have info or wish to help me with this.

No, I am more than willing to help folks and have helped many in the past.

For someone with their first post wanting "hot" loads and only one powder, then no.
Who knows what experience you have in reloading, no one.??

The 45 acp was designed for low pressures with fast powder and medium velocity so what does +P accomplish?

If you can not extrapolate from the Hodgdon loads or any in a reloading manual, then I am not going to post any load data for +P or any other load.

Use your access to Quick Load.

Cartridge Standard pressure +P pressure Notes 9 mm Luger 35,000 38,500 10% increase .38 Special 17,000 18,500 9% increase .45 ACP 21,000 23,000 9.5% increase .38 Auto 26,500 36,500 38% increase to make .38 Super .257 Roberts 54,000 58,000 7.5% increase

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Why do people want to sensor posters?? If you don't like the answer just move on. This isn't a liberal, snow flake college??
FWIW, if you are flying with quickloads, just go with that. You are pretty much off the books loading +P 45acp with anything.

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I've used a lot of Universal in my 45 ACP loads; 200 gr. SWC, 5.8-6.3 gr, on page 166 of my 2015 Hodgon manual. I have no need for +P loads so you're on your own with that...

With a reply like that you will prolly get a lot of folks that will ignore all your future posts...

I agree with Rule3. It is kind of odd for a new poster to show up and the 1st post is for 45+P load data for use in a STI. And you're looking for hot loads, near Max using one powder... The reloading forum here is good but that is a very specific request and not even related to anything S&W.

How much reloading experience do you have? What do you think +P 45 ACP will do that normal loads will not?

Awsom50, what the others have been trying to say to you gently, I will say directly:

Asking for load data on an internet forum IS NOT proper load development and nobody here wants to aid you in killing or maiming yourself.

If you want to develop a 45 +P load, then consult the powder manufacturers web sites and get starting load data. Load some using it and test it for function and performance. If it is good then depending on the span from starting load to maximum, increase the powder charge 0.1 or 0.2 grains at a time watching for function and pressure signs. If you want to do it another way, I will not be a party to it. My liability insurance premium is already high enough.

Also, as you troll the net looking for powder recommendations think that I just might be a sadist waiting for someone like you to happen along that I could give the new nickname "lefty" to after you blew up your gun.

Why should I kill myself or blow my gun up if I use an established and proved +P load(within the 23k limit)?!
How could one know if I am new into reloading - just from a recipe request? I know the steps building up a load but can't I ask someone who as previously tried this?
I need to have a thousand post here in order to ask a reloading question?
Ok, please the moderators lock the topic. I got your point.

First, what is gained by .45 +P?
If you think velocity is the thing, what are you doing with a .45 Auto?
Given non-canister grade powders, the folks making HOT +P ammo can get about 1120fps from a 185gn bullets.
Using Universal, the max loads I have shows 977, 993, and 991fps.
The +P reload data I do have for Power Pistol and Unique show that the increase in velocity from std. pressure to +P pressure is only about 40fps, max.
So, whatever your goal is, you just may not get there with Universal.
I show that in standard loads (not +P), Power Pistol can, in some guns, reach 1119fps and Unique can reach 1110fps with 185gn jacketed bullets.
Finally, if you want load data from a manual, look in a manual. Load data from the 'net should be taken with a grain of salt.

asome50,

Thank you for your PM. I will answer here.

I understand from your "location" that powders can/are difficult to obtain.

I have no answer for a +P load using Universal. As I mentioned there are +P data out there but they are for other powders. For example Accurate powders list some +P loads with their powders.

If there is not data out there using Universal there is probably a reason, yes??

But again for you purpose stated in your PM upping a 45 acp load by a few thousand cup is not going make a whole lot of difference. Kinda like the 45 Colt loads, they are big bullets going slow,
Plus P data usually simply starts at the MAX listed load for most bullets, so use that as a guide. Without a chronograph you are just guessing anyway.

Not that no one wants to help, it's just not practical, there is really nothing to gain going over the max listed loads.

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Frankly, Awesome50, isn't and I wouldn't worry about him

Just a couple thoughts; first why would an experienced reloader break one of the common "rules" and use load data from an anonymous screen name on a forum? Why would an experienced reloader not work up a load and just start off with +P loads? This is why I didn't think you had much experience reloading...

I've loaded rounds up to maximum listed in my manuals, but that was worked up to, never right out of the gate...

Maybe I missed something but if you have published +P data, why ask for what people use here? Just curious. FWIW, Universal is just about like Unique. You could always go with Unique data & work it up using a chrono. +P is anything beyond published data. You could always double check the results with 45super, sort of 45+P+???

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