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Old 08-28-2017, 01:47 PM
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I have been reloading .357 and .38 special and .223 for about a year and 9mm for about 4 years.Loaded and shot about 5000 reloads with no problem and then this.I triple check to make sure there is powder in my shell and I just don't know how this happened.I think somehow a shell got a light amount of powder.I didn't hear a load bang just a like a soft ding and stopped immediately from shooting another round.I always anticipate a soft sound shooting now but it just creeps me out.It was stuck about 2 inches down the barrel.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:53 PM
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Yes I have. When I just started reloading and was figuring out my 550B. Thankfully bullet locked up the cylinder and I've had pretty short range session. Knocked it back when got home and added some rules to my procedure
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:56 PM
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Every different handloader has their own process of checks & balances.

My process for guarding against squib loads is to charge a full tray of 50 pieces of brass before capping each round with a slug and then seating them. I can look across the entire tray carefully and ensure that all pieces are charged to a similar level. No, I cannot see a one grain difference in the powder charge, but you can bet the farm that I will see either an empty case or a double charge.

With my process, I have reason to believe that I am building 50 very similar rounds.

Beyond that, I have some experience in a squib load using plated bullets in revolvers. ESPECIALLY when loading plated bullets in to .38 Special. Because of the large case size, because of the very genuine resistance that a plated bullet gives down a pistol barrel and as much as anything -- due to the flash gap where precious pressure bleeds off every shot, you simply can NOT baby your .38 Special plated bullet loads. No way. Doing so is a recipe for a squib.

The two different times I have had stuck bullets in nearly 30 years of handloading... both were plated bullets in .38 Special. I did not have a single "undercharged round" in my box of 50... rather, I had a full 50 rounds that were all built too light and one of them was just the perfect storm to stick in the bore.

Load plated bullets much, MUCH more like jacketed and not like lead bullets. I say this with over 100,000 plated slugs down range, mostly Berry's, Xtreme and Frontier with a few of the other smaller brands thrown in.
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Every different handloader has their own process of checks & balances.

My process for guarding against squib loads is to charge a full tray of 50 pieces of brass before capping each round with a slug and then seating them. I can look across the entire tray carefully and ensure that all pieces are charged to a similar level. No, I cannot see a one grain difference in the powder charge, but you can bet the farm that I will see either an empty case or a double charge.

With my process, I have reason to believe that I am building 50 very similar rounds.

Beyond that, I have some experience in a squib load using plated bullets in revolvers. ESPECIALLY when loading plated bullets in to .38 Special. Because of the large case size, because of the very genuine resistance that a plated bullet gives down a pistol barrel and as much as anything -- due to the flash gap where precious pressure bleeds off every shot, you simply can NOT baby your .38 Special plated bullet loads. No way. Doing so is a recipe for a squib.

The two different times I have had stuck bullets in nearly 30 years of handloading... both were plated bullets in .38 Special. I did not have a single "undercharged round" in my box of 50... rather, I had a full 50 rounds that were all built too light and one of them was just the perfect storm to stick in the bore.

Load plated bullets much, MUCH more like jacketed and not like lead bullets. I say this with over 100,000 plated slugs down range, mostly Berry's, Xtreme and Frontier with a few of the other smaller brands thrown in.

I used to drop 50 powder drops and then check all the cases, but my arm bumped the press handle and I spilled the whole case into the ones already in the block. So now I drop a charge, weigh each one, and seat a bullet. This way I can walk away from the bench if I need to after less than 50
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Old 08-28-2017, 02:08 PM
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I have had two squibs shooting my reloaded 38 spl when I first got started in reloading. Many rounds barely made it to the target 10 yards away. I found one round 8 feet from where I was standing and shooting.
I was told by a gunsmith the powder I was using was the problem but I thought that probably wasn't the problem and I knew I hadn't missed the powder drop on so many rounds. I called Hodgdon and the CS was really helpful and not beating me for being an inexperienced novice re-loader. The problem was from not crimping the rounds. The bullet was expelling out before pressure could build behind it. After finding this problem I went and crimped all the remaining rounds. Had no problem after that. Rainier said not to crimp their plated bullets.

I did have a bullet jam my cylinder when it projected forward from recoil. Checking the round I found the casing had a hair cracked casing.
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Old 08-28-2017, 02:15 PM
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In the 40 years I've be reloading I've never had a squib, I've had some FTF due to bad primers but not a squib. I've always considered reloading to be extremely dangerous if done incorrectly so I give it due diligence to prevent Kabooms.
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In 40 years of reloading, I have never had a squib. I have a checklist that is completed each time I reload. It has two visual (three in the case of 38 Special) as well as one weight test to verify powder in the case. This has so far been enough to keep me safe, but as I age, I am always on the lookout for techniques to improve.
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In .38 revolvers I have had two squibs.(Years apart) Hey fecal materiel happens. One tied up the cylinder the other made it all the way into the barrel. The one that made it into the barrel could have been bad as I was shooting a PPC match with time limit. I was aware enough to stop firing so no problem ensued.

Now I have been reloading since early 1970s and to be honest I do not remember if this load came out of a single stage press or my later purchased Dillion.

Only had one other squib and it was in a .45 1911, also no problem. I carry range tools with me so in a short time I can resume shooting.

With the many thousands of loads done 3 is a low number., and if you add in 4 gauges of shot gun loading (shot skeet for quite a few years) so I have a LARGE lot of handloads done Of course having none is a even better number. I think most long time loaders have had a squib or two!
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My 9mm German luger mouse farted once. Checked the bore and no light came thru. SQUIB!
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Had one in an I frame 32SWL; brought the gun home, used a cleaning rod, tapped the bullet out. Could even use it again if I wanted.....it happens, bring a tool or two with you, especially if you are playing around with new loads on the light side of things.
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Years ago in my Model 57 4". Fortunately, just slow fire practice. Put a range rod in my pistol shooting box.
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Have never done it myself, but I use visual checks at each step of the reloading sequence.

Did have a friend that let another friend reload for him. The first friend then let his wife shoot the reloads. She shot until the cylinder would not turn as she cocked the revolver. We could not open the cylinder,and took it to a gunsmith. He had to find a blade thin enough to cut through the slug stuck in the chamber mouth and the forcing cone. When all was said and done there were six slugs stuck in the barrel. Needless to say we never shot any of his reloads again.
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:31 PM
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Have never done it myself, but I use visual checks at each step of the reloading sequence.

Did have a friend that let another friend reload for him. The first friend then let his wife shoot the reloads. She shot until the cylinder would not turn as she cocked the revolver. We could not open the cylinder,and took it to a gunsmith. He had to find a blade thin enough to cut through the slug stuck in the chamber mouth and the forcing cone. When all was said and done there were six slugs stuck in the barrel. Needless to say we never shot any of his reloads again.
Your saying there were 6 squibs in a row?, that's insane and why would anyone continue to pull the trigger......never mind
I've heard such foolishness.
I was in my LGS about a year ago talking to the owner and this guy walks in saying he wants to buy a pistol because he blew his up. I asked this guy how he managed to do that. Squib he said, your hand loads I asked, yes he says. The owner ask what kind of firearm, 1911 he answers. I look at him and as polite as I could say this, then your were foolish twice, once when you loaded it and once when manually cycled the second round.
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Your saying there were 6 squibs in a row?, that's insane and why would anyone continue to pull the trigger......never mind
I've heard such foolishness.
The wife.........she wasn't well versed in shooting.
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Had a squib shut down my M36 this summer. Was shooting close/fast SD type drills....3rd shot got stuck in the forcing cone and locked everything up tight.

Had it made it into the barrel and allowed the cylinder to turn I don't know if I'd realized it before pulling the trigger again. Glad I didn't find out!

I don't think it was a reloading error though...very old ammo that I probably shouldn't have been shooting anyway. Wasn't stored in the best conditions.

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I'm a rimfire guy,but decided I wanted a new Smith that would fire 38s.
On my first outing with it,I had a squib within the first few dozen rounds.I didn't quite know what to make of it,but I paused-Thank God, and figured that I better check out the situation.Glad that I did.A 38 wadcutter was midpoint in the barrel.My gun was a brand new PC 27-7.The ammo was not reloads,though I think that it might have been old stuff from a customer.

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Squibs, two in 15 years. Both in load development, so I was especially on the lookout for anomalities. Not to cast aspersions but both were copper plated full wadcutters using formulas that worked with hard lead. Guess the copper is 'grippier' than lead. I figure I shoot 105 rounds a week (5460 per year or 2 squibs in 163,800 rounds. (1/81,900 rounds) they definitly felt different. Just another reason to prefer lead.
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Load plated bullets much, MUCH more like jacketed and not like lead bullets. I say this with over 100,000 plated slugs down range, mostly Berry's, Xtreme and Frontier with a few of the other smaller brands thrown in.
For my education as a new handloader, if I were to load a plated bullet to a jacketed slug's minimum powder charge, is that safe or should I generally start in the middle of the recommended range?

I've been loading 158gr plated xtreme bullets over 4.1gr of HP38. Hodgdon's max recommended charge is 4.3 (Hornady recommends a higher max, 4.7gr if memory serves), so by the book my load is not too light, but shooting it feels like a .32 so now I'm worried about squibs.
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For my education as a new handloader, if I were to load a plated bullet to a jacketed slug's minimum powder charge, is that safe or should I generally start in the middle of the recommended range?

I've been loading 158gr plated xtreme bullets over 4.1gr of HP38. Hodgdon's max recommended charge is 4.3 (Hornady recommends a higher max, 4.7gr if memory serves), so by the book my load is not too light, but shooting it feels like a .32 so now I'm worried about squibs.
I use 158 grain lead SWC bullets and 3.4 grains of HP38 (same powder as 231). I'm a fairly recent reloader too, but are you sure of those numbers? Plated bullets should be loaded to lead data. And my data shows between 3.1 and 3.7 grains. Is this a SWC bullet or something else?

But if those numbers are correct for your bullet, unless your revolver can't handle +P, the 4.3 grains max load is for standard .38, not +p, so if you're feeling nervous, boost it up to 4.3.

But others far more knowledgeable than me will chime in. I took my Model 60 to the range today. Fired 100 rounds. Fired at least 3000 of my reloads total. A few light FTF due to early primers not being fully seated, but not a squib yet.

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This is something that you get a feel for with experience. Forgive me if I get repititive but if nothing else, take away a couple key points -- plated slugs getting stuck are a MUCH more likely event in a revolver than any pistol simply due to the flash gap where much needed pressure can bleed off when the slams in to the foring cone and hits resistance.

With plated bullets, I tend to run closer to max published jacketed loads rather than starting loads and then I inspect for signs of high pressure.

The other rule I have adopted after many years is that in .38 Special loads, I avoid large flake powders because I have never been satisfied with how they perform for me in .38 Special. In my experience, the key offenders are Unique, Green Dot, Universal and Promo (Red Dot.)

I do realize that saying this in an open forum leads to volumes of folks who will NEVER agree (plenty of handloaders have much success in .38 with exactly those powders) but I have turned the page on them.

For me, at my bench, a myriad of .38 Special is churned out using Bullseye and Power Pistol. If I felt the need to expand my .38 powder choices, I'd look for some AA#2 or AA#5 or track down one of the fast Ramshot powders.
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Another tip when loading plated in to .38 Special...

Many of us are running our .38 handloads in .357 revolvers. The first time I stuck a plated 158gr slug in a revolver was in my 6-inch 686-3. I was being ultra-cautious in a revolver that is spec'd to handle literally TWICE the max pressure of a full-spec .38 Special load.

In hindsight, I felt that it was ludicrous that was being so conservative with a modern .357 Magnum revolver, trying to send a plated 158 so slowly that it got stuck in the barrel.

Some of the plated bullet manufacturers have revised their old (BAD!) advice to "load plated like a cast lead slug" while some of them still have that (BAD!) directive available with a search of their FAQ. What you won't find are many published sources of lab-tested and published load data with plated bullets -- this is because plated bullets are difficult to "generalize" and they don't necessarily act like either cast lead or jacketed bullets.

If you pound one down a barrel manually you will find out how they offer more resistance than a lead bullet.
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I use 158 grain lead SWC bullets and 3.4 grains of HP38 (same powder as 231). I'm a fairly recent reloader too, but are you sure of those numbers? Plated bullets should be loaded to lead data. And my data shows between 3.1 and 3.7 grains. Is this a SWC bullet or something else?

But if those numbers are correct for your bullet, unless your revolver can't handle +P, the 4.3 grains max load is for standard .38, not +p, so if you're feeling nervous, boost it up to 4.3.

But others far more knowledgeable than me will chime in. I took my Model 60 to the range today. Fired 100 rounds. Fired at least 3000 of my reloads total. A few light FTF due to early primers not being fully seated, but not a squib yet.
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"Our Copper Plated Bullets can be run at mid-range jacketed velocities or higher end lead velocities. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp

Any velocities over 1200 FPS we recommend either our Heavy Plate Concave Base or Hollow Point products for superior accuracy. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp"

from xtreme's website.

That info is somewhat confusing, though. For a 158gr .38/.357 bullet, does "mid-range jacketed velocity" mean mid-range for .38 SPL or .357 Magnum? I don't actually expect y'all to comment so much as I'm complaining about their imprecise language.

Thanks for the advice, gents. I appreciate it.
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I had one squib with .38 in nearly 40 years of reloading - I was shooting a Taurus 605 when I realized it sounded different and no puff of dirt on the ground behind the target. Turns out (after thinking about it) I was using 700 X and because it does not meter very well I think an already light load got even lighter when the measure threw a lighter than average load. Long story short I loaded the remaining powder by weighing each charge and will never use 700 X again due to it's large flake size and poor metering.

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"Our Copper Plated Bullets can be run at mid-range jacketed velocities or higher end lead velocities. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp

Any velocities over 1200 FPS we recommend either our Heavy Plate Concave Base or Hollow Point products for superior accuracy. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp"

from xtreme's website.

That info is somewhat confusing, though. For a 158gr .38/.357 bullet, does "mid-range jacketed velocity" mean mid-range for .38 SPL or .357 Magnum? I don't actually expect y'all to comment so much as I'm complaining about their imprecise language.

Thanks for the advice, gents. I appreciate it.
3.7 grains of HP38 and a LSWC bullet is traveling at 842 fps, according to Hodgson's website. I don't know any .38 traveling at 1200-1500 fps.

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3.7 grains of HP38 and a LSWC bullet is traveling at 842 fps, according to Hodgson's website. I don't know any .38 traveling at 1200-1500 fps.
I'm not really sure what you are commenting on.

Since .38s and .357s use the same bullets, I can easily see a 158gr ".38" bullet being propelled at 1500fps from my GP100.

Also, people handload .38 SPL up to 1250fps, but I've never seen any hotter than that!
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This is something that you get a feel for with experience. Forgive me if I get repititive but if nothing else, take away a couple key points -- plated slugs getting stuck are a MUCH more likely event in a revolver than any pistol simply due to the flash gap where much needed pressure can bleed off when the slams in to the foring cone and hits resistance.

With plated bullets, I tend to run closer to max published jacketed loads rather than starting loads and then I inspect for signs of high pressure.

The other rule I have adopted after many years is that in .38 Special loads, I avoid large flake powders because I have never been satisfied with how they perform for me in .38 Special. In my experience, the key offenders are Unique, Green Dot, Universal and Promo (Red Dot.)

I do realize that saying this in an open forum leads to volumes of folks who will NEVER agree (plenty of handloaders have much success in .38 with exactly those powders) but I have turned the page on them.

For me, at my bench, a myriad of .38 Special is churned out using Bullseye and Power Pistol. If I felt the need to expand my .38 powder choices, I'd look for some AA#2 or AA#5 or track down one of the fast Ramshot powders.
You will get agreement not an argument from here. My experience with plated is that it acts more like jacketed than lead. My Squibs (.38 S&W SPL) were one each Unique and Universal (flakes) under copper plated wadcutters loaded at and slightly over published minimums for lead. Plus one for BE, Trail Boss is fun for lighter loads as well.
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I'm not really sure what you are commenting on.

Since .38s and .357s use the same bullets, I can easily see a 158gr ".38" bullet being propelled at 1500fps from my GP100.

Also, people handload .38 SPL up to 1250fps, but I've never seen any hotter than that!
Even faster out of a lever action... I like 160 grain gas checked lead (not plated) for that.
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I had one yesterday using 38 special handloads with swaged bullets. Turned out that particular case retained enough tumbling media to block the primer from detonating the powder. Bullet easily punched out. Lesson learned !
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I'm not really sure what you are commenting on.

Since .38s and .357s use the same bullets, I can easily see a 158gr ".38" bullet being propelled at 1500fps from my GP100.

Also, people handload .38 SPL up to 1250fps, but I've never seen any hotter than that!

I meant a .38 round, not a .357. And I meant out if a handgun,
Not a lever action rifle with a much longer barrel. Did you load a .38 or a
.357 round? Hodgson website shows a 158 grain LSWC in a .357 with a minimal load of 3.4 and a max load of 5.0 grains HP38, with a velocity of a little over 1100 fps for the 5.0 grains. If you are loading .357. 4.1 is on the light side.

Again, what type of bullet are you shooting? SWC? I use Xtreme plated bullets for 9MM and .380. I load middle of the road. I learned early on you can't just look at the weight of a bullet, but the type of bullet, too. The data for a 158 grain SWC will be different than for a 158 grain HP.

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Squibs can happen to the best of loaders. The best advice is to be actively aware of your shooting session and the moment something doesn't feel or sound right, stop and check things out. If you do that, a squib load will not damage your firearm.

I only experienced one squib load from my reloads, and it was 38spl. Even though I double check all my rounds, and this batch checked out ok, I still managed to get a squib. To this day, I still don't know how it happened, but it did. However, when the round didn't sound or feel right, I stopped and found the problem. No worries.
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Some years back I was letting a son-in-law shoot my precious Colt SAA.
I warned him about squib loads and told him if it didn't go BANG stop right there. Well you might guess the only squib load I have ever had was with the SIL and right after the pop he cocked it again and let go before I had a chance to yell. Ruined the barrel. I should have shot him ---but I didn't
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One squib. It lodged just past the cylinder completely locking up the revolver.

But it wasn't my hand load...it was a factory round.
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. . . I triple check to make sure there is powder in my shell and I just don't know how this happened.I think somehow a shell got a light amount of powder..
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The safest thing to think . . . and frankly the most likely . . . is that your mind and eyes got tired of the repetitive checking and simply glazed over . . . not registering the empty case.

IMO that's the thing that happens most often.

Think about it . . . your way it would take two things going wrong: an almost empty case and the fact that you missed the level being much lower than all the others.

But either way, the thing that caused your (and my) failure to notice is most likely the "glaze-over".
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For a long time I have always carried both a section of .22 cleaning rod and a 6" long 5/16" diameter bolt (wrapped in tape) in my range tool box. They have come in handy several times for driving out stuck bullets. The .22 rod has been useful for tapping out stuck .22 cases and cartridges in autoloaders. My range tool box also includes an assortment of screwdrivers (small to large), a small claw hammer, an Allen head wrench set, a punch set, several sizes of pliers (including a Leatherman tool and a small vise grip), and an assortment of small to mid-size files. At one time or other, I have needed all of them.

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You have to understand that those warnings provided by manufacturers are not meant to protect you from yourself. They are meant to protect them from an attorney you may hire. In thier defense they don't have any control over what you do with thier product once you buy it. So while you might know you are going to shoot their bullet in a 4 inch model 10-5, they don't. There is a 125 grain "LRNFP" that I load with 0.3cc s of "brand x"in .38 Short Colt cases, a bit more in 9x19, more in .38 Long Colt cases, more in .38 Special cases, up to 1.2cc s in .357 cases. In barrels from 2 inch to 20 inch they chronograph at 700 to 2400 fps. The bullet makers lawyer is trying to cover all the bases. And what that usually means is telling the customer not to do something that can be done in complete saftey IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. (Of course nothing helps if you don't know what you are doing, and its not necessarily in the seller's intrest to educate customers.)
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I had one yesterday using 38 special handloads with swaged bullets. Turned out that particular case retained enough tumbling media to block the primer from detonating the powder. Bullet easily punched out. Lesson learned !
Doesn't happen if you tumble first then decap. The decapper will sound the alarm. Corncob or walnut won't hurt the carbide rod (gravel might).

A benefit of revolvers is that I don't bend down to pickup brass, and the brass doesn't have dirt or gravel in it. Gives a good feel for the efficiency of the charge and the relative cleanliness of the powder as well. (But mostly the not bending down part.)
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I am not a reloader but in police basic training 40 years ago we trained with 3-D remanufactured ammo. We were constantly advised to be alert for a squib load. Don't recall anyone having one.

The only squib I have had was about two years ago in a .22lr rifle. Immediately knew what happen. Stopped, unloaded and checked. Bullet stuck halfway down barrel. Easily poked out with cleaning rod.

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The "scary stuff" to me isn't the squib, it's the shooter that doesn't recognize it, or does and fires the next one anyway. (stuff happens) What caused the squib is kinda secondary to me, but you still wanna know. There's a good reason many ranges don't allow "rapid fire". I feel maybe that should be called "controlled fire" (being able to shoot rapidly while being able to notice a squib & react before firing the next round. Not so easy when in a timed event, & pretty much impossible with a full auto.
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I am not a reloader but in police basic training 40 years ago we trained with 3-D remanufactured ammo. We were constantly advised to be alert for a squib load. Don't recall anyone having one.
My experience is factory ammo is no less likley to have issues than handloads, as evidence I submit my Folgers jar that has 22 factory loaded (mostly wadcutter) rounds that have inverted primers. It would have more but I have pulled bullets from those I could get the collet around.

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Two dud primers (from the same pack) but no squibs in 40 years.
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I bought a bad batch of reloads from a WA-based company. The store took them back, but I'm pretty much done with said company.

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Your saying there were 6 squibs in a row?, that's insane and why would anyone continue to pull the trigger......never mind
I've heard such foolishness.
I was in my LGS about a year ago talking to the owner and this guy walks in saying he wants to buy a pistol because he blew his up. I asked this guy how he managed to do that. Squib he said, your hand loads I asked, yes he says. The owner ask what kind of firearm, 1911 he answers. I look at him and as polite as I could say this, then your were foolish twice, once when you loaded it and once when manually cycled the second round.
My wife stacked bullets up in a model 10 barrel until the final round locked the cylinder up. We were both wearing hearing protection. I never noticed a difference in sound, and she was yet well versed in firing a handgun.

These were factory rounds if it makes a difference.

I think you use the term "foolishness" quite loosely.
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My wife stacked bullets up in a model 10 barrel until the final round locked the cylinder up. We were both wearing hearing protection. I never noticed a difference in sound, and she was yet well versed in firing a handgun.

These were factory rounds if it makes a difference.

I think you use the term "foolishness" quite loosely.
"FOOLISHNESS" was not the word I'd use. MULTIPLE factory squibs in a row??? The one squib I've had in 40+ years came shortly after a car accident left me with feeling loss in both hands and wrist braces on each. The then new electronic ear muffs combined with the noise from a busy firing line made it difficult to hear. It was ALMOST a perfect storm for a dangerous range day. Something just didn't "SEEM" right, glad I stopped & checked it out. Experience/situational awareness??? NOT AIMING to insult, let's just politely call it UNUSUAL???

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"FOOLISHNESS" was not the word I'd use. MULTIPLE factory squibs in a row??? The one squib I've had in 40+ years came shortly after a car accident left me with feeling loss in both hands and wrist braces on each. The then new electronic ear muffs combined with the noise from a busy firing line made it difficult to hear. It was ALMOST a perfect storm for a dangerous range day. Something just didn't "SEEM" right, glad I stopped & checked it out. Experience/situational awareness??? NOT AIMING to insult, let's just politely call it UNUSUAL???
I hate to post for someone else, but I'm 99% sure it was a squib followed by a bunch of "regular" shots that stacked up behind the squib. Old-timey low powered chamberings like .22LR or .38 Special, real easy to do. Might be a different story with a .44 Magnum or .500!
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My wife stacked bullets up in a model 10 barrel until the final round locked the cylinder up. We were both wearing hearing protection. I never noticed a difference in sound, and she was yet well versed in firing a handgun.

These were factory rounds if it makes a difference.

I think you use the term "foolishness" quite loosely.
What does sound have to do with it, hopefully we all wear hearing protection. With a squib there is little or no recoil which would be the first indicator that there is a problem.

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I got a K32 on trade one time and with it got several boxes of
Peters WC factory ammo. Ammo was pre WW2. I stopped at a
friends on way home, it was dark already. He turned on barn
flood lights and we started plinking cow pies. Ammo was terrible
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A former member of our Tuesday night shoot group stuck 6 .38 special bullets in his 686.
I'll rephrase: He had six stuck bullets stuck all at once.
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I'll rephrase: He had six stuck bullets stuck all at once.
Six stuck shots simultaneously inside said Six Eight Six sixgun? Seriously? Shucks!
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