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Old 10-12-2017, 04:26 PM
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I bought a Hornady AP Lock-N-Load progressive reloading press and did the first loading session with it today. I had some glitches but managed to solve them, at least to some extent.

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The first problem was that cases did not want to enter the sizing die without some coaching. The next problem was that the shell plate did not lock into correct position for priming unless I helped it with my finger.

These turned out to be due to incorrectly adjusted indexing pawls. I few minutes of adjustment and now the shell plate indexes without hesitation and thus cases enter the dies and primers hit the primer pockets.

Another problem was that the primer slide did not come back to priming position without a lot of twisting of the slide. This problem I solved by loosening the primer (primerer?) housing body screw and twisting the body and tightening the screw again, thus aligning the parts better.

The next worry was that the primer slide did not want to pick a new primer and returned empty about four times out of five. I noticed that a vigorous movement of the press handle when the ram goes to the top helps the next primer to fall into the slide. After adding some "shake" to the end of the lever travel the primer slide reliability rose to 100%.

I tried to use Lee dies but two of them could not be locked down enough to work properly, there were not enough threads on the dies. RBCS dies can be adjusted with no worries. My Hornady dies for this caliber are still on back order.

Now I do not wonder anymore why Dillon is the king of reloading presses. I have not had any such teething problems with my RL550B.

To add some more excitement to the process I used a new set of Lee carbide dies, with the red box and carbide paperwork. The sizing die required A LOT of muscle to work and it scratched the cases badly. The inside of the die was very dirty. Turns out a local gun shop had sold me a used die set as new, and some clever clown had replaced the carbide sizing die with a standard steel die. I bought the die set more than a year ago so will not go complaining. Live and learn.
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Go to post "tips and tricks" post #81 will show you how to time your press perfectly.
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To help the primer feeding problem, try putting a very narrow dowel rod down the primer magazine. The little extra weight will help it feed more reliably, and is also an indicator when it is empty.

If the nut holding the shellplate loosens, this can allow cases to tip slightly and not enter the die. Check the nut periodically.

My biggest problem is the primer slide is very sensitive to dirt. If the channel gets dirty, the slide can get hung up and not fully return to pick up the next primer. This can also happen if the primer punch gets dirty. When it gets very dirty, the punch sometimes doesn't fully return to flush and gets in the way of the slide.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:35 PM
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One of my primer punches sat a little proud, so I stoned in down a bit until flush. Then I found the slide & its channel had some burrs, so I stoned them too, and lightly chamfered the bore the punch and primer goes through. The primer feed, the most common problem I read about the LNL on the web, has been flawless ever since.

My first LNL jammed cases on the sizing dies, and after two trips back to the factory, where they put in new shell plates and adjusted the timing pawls, it still jammed shells into the sizing die, especially .380. They claimed the problem was my Lyman and RCBS dies; I bought Hornady dies, still jammed. I took it to a friend's machine shop, mounted it on a coordinate measuring machine, and found that the die bores' center lines and the shell holder center lines were .030" to .043" off one another. Sent it back to Hornady with the CMM printouts and drawings, they claimed it "only" needed adjustment and sent it back to me again. Still jammed. I called, told them I wanted my money back, and I was going to buy a Dillon and show the world the CMM reports. They sent me a new press. First batch, it jammed every 7-10 cases. Back to CMM, off .020" worst case. I gave up, just hold the ram handle to the left on every stroke, it works fine, but I'm not a happy camper. If I buy another, it will be a Dillon.

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Old 10-12-2017, 07:44 PM
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Thanks for sharing. It's helping me make a decision.
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:15 AM
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Guess I must be lucky. My LnL AP worked fine, right out of the box. Followed the instructions for cleaning the parts, greasing the ram, and removing any burrs from the primer slide and off we went. After a while, I did had to tweak the indexing pawls a bit to improve the indexing but that's about all.
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There was a burr on the primer slide that probably was the cause of the occasional jams of the slide. I just deburred the slide but did not do any loading to prove it helped.

Otherwise the press seems to have settled to a smooth working routine now that the initial fine tuning has been done.

Still I have a Dillon XL650 on the shopping list. Maybe around Christmas time...

I have run out of bench space, though, having a Dillon RL550B, the Hornady AP, two Redding Turret T7s and an RCBS Rock Chucker. The more progressive presses I have, the less need there is to change calibers on them.
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Guess I must be lucky. My LnL AP worked fine, right out of the box.
I wish I had your good experience; I chose the LNL because the design is good and should work very well. The powder measure and primer feed are very good. The positive testimony of thousands of owners speaks for that. I obviously got a Monday morning or Friday afternoon machine, and five months of phone calls, three returns, paying shipping and beating my brains out trying to make the thing work wore me out. I gave up and made do.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:07 PM
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As the OP learned, progressive presses need to be set-up (to use a phrase describing how to get a stringed instrument to play properly). On the negative side, I' read somewhere that Hornady plans to discontinue their progressive press but will support existing presses with spare parts for 15 years.

As for Lee: I once wrote to them to inform them that their pistol dies are a bit too short to be compatible with Dillon presses. My logic being that if their dies were compatible, they would sell more of them. I received a flippant, bordering on nasty, response from some desk jockey as to why it was not possible. Anyway, with Lee dies, you may put the lock ring on the underside of the die holder, at least with Dillon and probably with the Hornady press.

I've never owned Dillon dies but I understand that they are designed to minimize entry problems into the sizing die.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:15 PM
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keep blaming the arrow..
I have both.
I would give the dillon away, before I would sell the LNL.
One tip I will give you is that the primer tubes have a notch on one side, if you put the primer tube upside down, the primers will hang.
Don't tighten the nut much, finger tight will do.

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Old 10-14-2017, 10:36 AM
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Hornady lock n load progressive = way too much tinkering.
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Then there is something wrong with your dillon.
I've had both sold the lock n load when I decided I wanted to make ammo not tinker with my press. The lnl is simply NOT made to and will not produce like a xl650.
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With my experience of a few thousand pistol rounds (357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt) made on a Dillon RL550B and now a couple hundred made on a Hornady AP I can see there might truth to the claim that the Hornady requires more tinkering.

The Dillon has run without any tuning or tinkering. It likes to throw spent primers into the mechanism or on the floor instead of the collection cup. That is about all the negative I can come up with.

As to the Hornady I installed a few days ago... I had to adjust the indexing pawls to make the shell plate turn properly, that was not done at the factory. I had problems with the primer slide sticking in the outer position, honing its corners and the bottom side solved that problem. The primer slide sometimes missed picking a primer from the tube, I seem to have solved that by adjusting the primer slide guide rod further out so that the primer slide primer hole goes a bit further out than the primer tube hole. The primer slide is quite sensitive to the torque with which the primer tube shield tube is screwed on. More tests to follow.

The powder measure die seems to be prone to start turning and loosening itself off the press. I had that problem and tightened the lock nut but have not made enough rounds yet to see if that solved the issue. I saw a youtuber with a homemade wooden rod to prevent the powder measure from rotating which hints at this being a common problem. His rod locks the powder measure to the primer tube.

The Hornady Lock-N-Load bushings let the dies wiggle quite a bit laterally. I do not know if that is a problem or an advantage, but it seems you can make them fit tighter by replacing the bushing O-ring with a thicker one so I am going to visit a hardware store next week to try that one out.

I am very happy with the Hornady and I like tinkering with mechanical devices but it is still a fact that the Dillon has been more straightforward to set up and more reliable - for me. Your mileage may vary.

Based on these experiences a Dillon XL650 will join my happy family of reloading presses in a couple of months. And most probably a Dillon 1050 after that, too. I am a sucker for gadgets, especially high quality ones.


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Hornady lock n load progressive = way too much tinkering.


This has been my experience. A "needy" machine, for sure. And, yes, the slightest angle at which you pull the lever makes a big difference as to how everything lines up for quick, efficient loading.
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Once again it has happened again. Another Dillon owner cannot just say his Dillon is GREAT but has to put down the Hornady. So one of four things has happened.
1. They just hate Hornady and are looking to put it down to justify their purchase of a Dillon.
2. Their mechanical ability stinks. It takes just a little more mechanical ability to adjust the press than it does to adjust the dies. If your pink toolbox comes with a large rock and a small rock, and you chose the large rock, you should have used the small rock.
3. It does take a little common sense to run any press. You do know if you lose your remote control for your tv and you need to turn it off you can push the button on the tv itself or pull the plug out of the wall, right?
4. Or you think that you can say anything on the web and get away with it.
Now as far as "The lnl is simply NOT made to and will not produce like the xl650." do I need to remind you I have had an open invitation to bet my 100% Hornady against any 100% Dillon for the last 3 1/2 years? So if you are anywhere near Omaha pm me I will be glad to take your press. And if you are not near Omaha and are on the West coast, I will be in Cal. on 15 April I could stop by. Or you and keep talking the talk instead of walking the walk and lose all credibility from the folk on this form.

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We are talking about very small differences here so I would not take this discussion as putting down the Hornady press.

I like my Hornady, I have no regrets about buying it. I even ordered two more caliber change sets for it plus more accessories, it is here for the long run.
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We are talking about very small differences here so I would not take this discussion as putting down the Hornady press.

I like my Hornady, I have no regrets about buying it. I even ordered two more caliber change sets for it plus more accessories, it is here for the long run.
I was not referring to you. You are just a Hornady newbie and are a little frustrated. And that is totally acceptable. But you are using your common sense and figuring out what needs to be done and you are fixing it. I can already tell you will champion the Hornady.

I know a few things that will help you but you have not asked yet. When you can't figure it out you will ask, but figure it out by your self will not only teach you how it works but why it works the way it does. But when you do need help, I will help you any way I can.

Now if you go through all my post you will find two types of post 1. Is to help fellow Hornady owners that need help, and 2. Is to attack anyone that attacks the Hornady that does not know what they are talking about. My military training taught me not to fire at the enemy until fired upon. But once you engage the enemy ensure you take them out with overwhelming force.
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We are talking about very small differences here so I would not take this discussion as putting down the Hornady press.

I like my Hornady, I have no regrets about buying it. I even ordered two more caliber change sets for it plus more accessories, it is here for the long run.
I thought the discussion had been very balanced up until now. I was learning about both the Dillon and the Hornady presses. The give and take on the forum helps the less informed make their decisions. Thanks
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Now if you go through all my post you will find two types of post 1. Is to help fellow Hornady owners that need help, and 2. Is to attack anyone that attacks the Hornady that does not know what they are talking about. My military training taught me not to fire at the enemy until fired upon. But once you engage the enemy ensure you take them out with overwhelming force.
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Please calm down, gentlemen. This thread is about reloading which should be a relaxing pastime. Part of that enjoyment is sharing experiences, views and opinions, not all them to your own taste.

I do not mind "being engaged by the enemy" in a discussion like this. It is nice to see some people are very passionate about their hobbies and like to express their feelings.

It takes serious effort to be offended in a discussion about Hornady and Dillon reloading presses. But wait until I draw the Lee Load-Master into this thread.
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I have a HLnL. It's my first press, but so far has had exactly one issue with ~500 rounds made so far.

The issue is that the plastic bracket that holds the top of Primer Slide Cam Wire slowly bent upward until it wouldn't hold the Wire in place anymore. Hornady included an extra bracket, which tells me it is known problem that they haven't fixed by replacing the plastic part with a metal part.

I'm a bit disappointed by that failure to fix a known problem, but other wise the press has been running like a champ.
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Years ago, I bought a Hornady progressive press. After a week of tinkering and adjusting, I took the thing back to the gun shop where I bought it, plunked it down on the counter, and announced that I was returning it but did not want a refund -- I simply wanted to be rid of the cursed thing, and that anyone who thought they could do better was welcome to it.

Interesting thing was that despite this being a busy Saturday with 30 or so customers in the store, no one took me up on the offer.

I then bought a Dillon -- it worked first time, and works every time, with no exceptions and no apologies needed.
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I have a HLnL. It's my first press, but so far has had exactly one issue with ~500 rounds made so far.

The issue is that the plastic bracket that holds the top of Primer Slide Cam Wire slowly bent upward until it wouldn't hold the Wire in place anymore. Hornady included an extra bracket, which tells me it is known problem that they haven't fixed by replacing the plastic part with a metal part.

I'm a bit disappointed by that failure to fix a known problem, but other wise the press has been running like a champ.
Contact Hornady they have a new updated bracket. But if you are bending the cam wire to the point of breaking the bracket something is not adjusted properly.
I had one break not long ago but it was my fault as I had the subplate off to grease and never got the brass spent primer tube in all the way and it came out while loading and bracket broke. The new one is slotted and if you do something stupid it will pop out instead of breaking now.
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I appreciate the tip. I knew Hornady would send another one, but I'm somewhat surprised that it's been updated since mine is only a few months old.

I really don't think mine is mis-adjusted. I think the tension of the spring pushing up on the rod combined with the heat in my garage (mid-90s most of the day) just helped the bracket gradually bend upward. It didn't break, it just bent enough that the rod wouldn't stay in place.

I'm about to load another 500-600 rounds this week, so I'll let y'all know how it goes!

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I had one break not long ago but it was my fault as I had the subplate off to grease and never got the brass spent primer tube in all the way and it came out while loading and bracket broke. The new one is slotted and if you do something stupid it will pop out instead of breaking now.
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I have a HLnL. It's my first press, but so far has had exactly one issue with ~500 rounds made so far.

The issue is that the plastic bracket that holds the top of Primer Slide Cam Wire slowly bent upward until it wouldn't hold the Wire in place anymore. Hornady included an extra bracket, which tells me it is known problem that they haven't fixed by replacing the plastic part with a metal part.

I'm a bit disappointed by that failure to fix a known problem, but other wise the press has been running like a champ.
First, do you have the old type of cam wire (it is threaded) or the new type that has the breakaway cam plunger? If you have the old type it is designed to break the bracket to save more expensive parts. If the bracket did not break you would break the wheel off the side, the pawl, the punch, or even the index wheel. Now the only time it would break is if the primer slide does not slide smoothly. This normally happens if it gets dirty or the primer punch sticks or power in the slide track.

O.K. now Mr. sasu let"s get your prime situation fixed. First, we need to get the prime body attached to the press solid. Now with the spring off of the slide and the press handle pushed all the way up and try to slide the primer slid back and forth. It should slide smoothly without any hanging up. If it does hang up sand the bottom of the slide until it slides smoothly.

The next thing you need to do is adjust the bracket so it will pick up a primer every time. First hook the spring back up and with the handle on the press, all the way down look into the primer body. The hole in the slide should be just a hummingbird fart past dead center.

Now put the primer drop tube and primer tube housing back on and fill with primers and slowly cycle the handle. Remove the primers off the punch every time it comes up. After it cycles 5 primers every time now cycle the handle at loading speed. for about 25 primers removing the primers every time. Now after you get 25 without a miss cycle the handle faster than you would every load. If you get all 100 without a miss that is now perfect.

If it misses a primer loosen the bracket and push it forward to put it about a wrens fart past dead center. Once you have it perfect brush on a little graphite on the slide and the slide track.
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If it does hang up sand the bottom of the slide until it slides smoothly.

...look into the primer body. The hole in the slide should be just a hummingbird fart past dead center.

...brush on a little graphite on the slide and the slide track.
Thank you for the advice. I have done all that and will see the results in the next reloading session.
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This guy has a series of you tube videos with helpful hints on setup and running your LNL. I found this a very useful series.

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After the primer feed tuning I reloaded 50 cartridges. The primer slide stuck in the open position for the second and third last primers but worked OK for the last one. Otherwise smooth sailing.

The primer slide works flawlessly when there are no primers, that is when cycling the press empty. But primers seem to still cause some stoppages.
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After the primer feed tuning I reloaded 50 cartridges. The primer slide stuck in the open position for the second and third last primers but worked OK for the last one. Otherwise smooth sailing.

The primer slide works flawlessly when there are no primers, that is when cycling the press empty. But primers seem to still cause some stoppages.
Are you using the white fiberglass rod? If you are put a .45 case on top of it. It will help on the last few primers.
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Sure thing, I forgot to put an empty case on the rod. I usually do but left it out this time. This means more reloading to verify the primer feed again.
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We are going to get this. 48 out of 50 sucks, hell 999 out of 1000 is unacceptable.
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The worst thing is I have to shoot all the ammo I make while tuning the press. Duh!
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Well, fellow bonehead pick up range brass. Another thing you might want to do to help. If you have a chamfering tool ream out the hole in the slide from the top down. It might have a sharp lip that just catches the primer.
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Is your white fiberglass rod straight? I mean STRAIGHT. Roll it on a flat surface. If it is not, have Hornady send a new one under warranty. When I replaced my not straight rod with a straight one, it eliminated my primer problems. I’ve never needed to place a weight on it.
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I will say it one more time, as you have not commented.
Did you look at your primer tube???
There is an up, and a down side, if you put it on upside down, it will cause stoppages.
Look at your tube, and look for the very end of it to be beveled..ON THE OUTSIDE, it is small but makes a huge difference. This end goes down into the feeder

Another way to know is the tube should be beneath the Black plastic holder, if not, or level, it is upside down.


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Yes, the beveled end of the primer tube points downwards.

No, there are no burrs around the primer slide primer pocket.

No, I have not checked the plastic rod for straightness.

I am not overly concerned about this as it seems to be the last glitch with the press and it is easy to correct when it happens, and I believe I can eventually eliminate it altogether.
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I have a black ring marked around the primer plastic rod that shows the last primer when level with the tube. I try and keep an eye on it and usually reload the tube about 10 primers from the bottom so I can just keep my rhythm and not have to stop because I ran out of primers. Works well for me.

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I made 50 pcs of 45 Colt cartridges. Put a 44 Mag case on the primer rod to act as a weight. There was one primer slide stoppage when there were around 5-10 primers left in the tube. I used RCBS dies and a few times I had to coach a case into the sizing die. Otherwise a problem free session.

In spite of the small hick ups I enjoy using this Hornady AP press.

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I too just got a Hornady LNL AP press and also had a few start-up issues.

The first is that when I opened the box the cam wire was loose. I repositioned it back into the cam wire plunger and tried to load primers. No go. The primers were not being picked up by the primer slide. 76Highboy on YouTube to the rescue. He showed how to adjust the cam wire and it started working just fine. I also smoothed out the priming parts with emery paper and a stone as he suggested and, knock on wood, no more primer problems.

The next issue was that the spring case retainer would frequently pop out of the relieved area of the sub-plate causing cases not to eject. I turned out that the shell plate kept on coming loose. 76Highboy to the rescue again. I installed a lock washer on the bolt holding the shell plate. That also seemed to have fixed the problem.

One problem I’m still unhappy with is the PTX case expander. The powder measure is nice and accurate. It throws very consistent charges. But again, so did my LEE Auto Drum and it was a lot easier to set up to expand the case mouth while throwing a charge. I haven’t yet got this thing to work right. Getting it to flair the case right (I use cast bullets) and fully cycle the powder measure is an exercise in frustration. The Lee approach is so simple. The Hornady instructions are simple in the manual and just as useless. Right know I’m expanding with a LEE die in a separate die position and debating whether to just replace the Hornady powder measure with the one from LEE and free a die position. It’s a shame the powder measure is high quality and very accurate. However, the PTX expander reminds me of something designed by Rube Goldberg.

Overall for the money I’m happy with the press and is working just fine except for the PTX expander. I’ve more than doubled my output. It a shame, however, you must work though quality control problems like this since they are simple to fix. Why doesn’t Hornady provide something as simple as a lock washer and polish the parts better? But problems like this are not, at least for me, unexpected - I loaded for years with a LEE 1000.

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What caliber are you loading and what size PTX? I load coated lead for 38/357 and the PTX is .358 and works great. No shaving or bulge.
You also might what to get a few lower activated case assemblies as they are cheap and make change over fast.

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What caliber are you loading and what size PTX? I load coated lead for 38/357 and the PTX is .358 and works great. No shaving or bulge.
You also might what to get a few lower activated case assemblies as they are cheap and make change over fast.
Loading 357 with coated lead with the .358 PTX expander.
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The highboy videos helped me too. My only problem is he has the eye of the chickenhawk and I have the eye of the chicken. That is why I made a toolkit to help me do my timing. (these damn bifocals)

Now as far as the PTX. Don't you dare give up. You don't want everyone to think an old wingnut can do it but a ground pounder can't do you? It took me a while too to get it perfect. But it was well worth the battle. My suggestion is to remove all of your dies and install the power measure in position 4, and time and tune it there. That way it can turn the hopper without hitting anything else. That will take a lot of frustration out of the process. Things work a lot better when we are calm and cool. Oh, remove all tools like hammers be for you start. And install a curse jar. And put a buck in for every bad word. You will now get a perfectly operation power measure and enough money to buy supplies.
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Loading 357 with coated lead with the .358 PTX expander.
If you get extra lower assemblies you will only have to set the PTX linkage up once. This is how I did it when I got my LNL. I got everything timed and running smooth and never used it for awhile. Sat down with the book and sacrificed a few cases and bullets until I got the linkage set just right. It works great now and I have lowers for every caliber I load for.
You don't have to buy lowers as I didn't for awhile but now I wouldn't be without them.
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I haven’t had a chance to set-up the PTX expander yet on my Hornady LNL press. I’m still expanding with a separate LEE Die.

I was loading today, and another problem occurred. The plastic hopper on the powder measure fell off while loading spilling a half a hopper’s worth of powder over the press, bench, and floor. What an expensive mess!

Two hours later after cleaning everything up, I looked at the measure and saw that the hopper is only press fit into the powder measure! Who designs things like this? First the Rube Goldberg PTX and now this!

I called Hornady and they are sending a new hopper. It was suggested that I take the current hopper and invert it and try that. It was also suggested that I apply silicone to the hopper to keep it tight. Why should I have to do any of this? Why isn’t the hopper threaded or retained by screws to keep it in place. At the very least, Hornady should have applied the silicone

I asked these questions and was given an answer that threads or screws can hold residual powder causing cross contamination when changing powders. How much cross contamination can that be? I know my press, bench and floor were cross contaminated! I’ve been loading since the late 60’s and never had anything like this happen before.

I just got back my LEE Auto Drum Powder Measure from LEE. It was damaged in a recent move and I sent it to LEE for repair. I installed it in the LEE Expansion Die and added the Lee Factory Crimp Die since I now had an extra die position. I adjusted the LEE Drum Powder Measure and remaining dies in less than 20 minutes. Back in business and set up the way I wanted initially. I think I will keep this set-up. Simple to adjust, just as accurate as the Hornady and takes up less landscape on the press.

The Hornady LNL AP has great potential. Hornady needs to work on some basic QC issues before sending a product out the door and if they do they will have an incredible product. Unfortunately, too many companies follow this pattern.

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I have to agree with you on the powder measure hopper. It almost happened to me as well. Now I make sure it is in all the way before filling with powder and check while loading.
I'm either going to drill and tap a couple of holes with machine screws or just use some kind of tape to make sure its secure.
I really like my LNL and use my friends 650 often. I like the LNL for the simplicity of it however Hornady could have done a better job.
I don't know how much more in dollars it would have cost to fix many of the issues that many have had but I for one would pay 20 or 30 percent more if they would.
I've had very little issues with mine and it continues to produce excellent ammo which is on par or better than some my friend produces on his 650.
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When your bench is not solid it will shack, rattle and the hopper will roll. I have 9 power measures and none have had the hopper fall off. But my bench is mounted to the wall with 4 large "L" brackets. No movement at all with my bench.Here you can see one of my brackets
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I use an Inline Fabrication Ultramount to attach the press to the bench. Although I don’t have the bench mounted to the wall I do have several hundred pounds of lead and heavy tools holding it down. I can discern no appreciable movement. Of course, the measure has a lot of moving parts which can begin to loosen it through use.

I think what happens is that when you take the measure out to empty the powder after a loading session, it eventually works its way loose from handling. Also, it may have gotten loose after the initial cleaning. Either way it should not have happened and was unexpected. The design solutions are so simple.

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Here is how you test if your press has too much shake. Place a .223 piece of brass next to your dies and start loading if it tips over to much shake. I can place mine upside down and it won't tip.
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I have two LnL presses, one large, one small primer. I have had powder measure hopper problems to the point of sending one back to Hornady. They drilled the body and attached a new hopper with plastic pins. They also sent me two spare hoppers for my other press. Over time the solvents in the powders will attack the hopper at the bottom and cause shrinkage and the hoppers get loose. I do not leave powder in the hopper when I am not using the press. I usually only load 100-150 rounds as I have shoulder problems. I wish Hornady would make the hoppers out of a different material. I've learned to catch the hopper before it gets really loose and flip it over or replace it. I do love the presses though.

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