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I'm learning that these revolvers like wad cutters. Is this a good bullet?

Mold Dc 358-148 Wc - Lee Precision

Also, anyone have a load using Green Dot?

I can keep my shots on a paper plate from 25 yards with the Lee 358-125-RF and 3.7 grains of Green Dot. Are wad cutters really that much better?
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You'd have to experiment with the individual gun. Wadcutter bullets are not necessarily more accurate than something else, but they make very clean holes in paper.
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Wadcutters are designed specifically for target shooting and target loads, light charges of fast powder. The bullet is deep seated to take up room in the case. 2.7 grains of Bullseye is the "classic" load. The square shoulder cuts a clean hole for scoring.
Are they better ? Well they can be if you do some load development.
I have tested powders and bullets for decades...nothing beats the 148 gr. WC with 2.7 grains of Bullseye for paper punching at 25 yards .
I have good results with Red Dot powder and target loads when Bullseye was not available but have no experience with Green Dot.
Get the mould and give it a shot ...might be just the ticket !
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I have a 14-4 with 6” Barrel. It loves Zero HBWC with 3gr Bullseye but the most accurate load is 130gr Coated lead with 5.0gr Universal. Get these bullets from Summers Enterprises. Actually a little cheaper and shoot much cleaner
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Wadcutter bullets are made with several options.

First is made with beveled edge to make loading into new case easier.

Second is with a square rear shoulder, you have to expand case mouth further to facilitate loading. The second type always shoot more accurately if made to same quality.

The bullet you are looking at is of the second type
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Will you be casting these yourself.
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Yep. I cast the 125 grainers I shot last weekend also.
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I use Green Dot in my little J frame snub nose with the 148 bullet
since they get along together.

Mine likes a light load of 3.5 grs at 743fps for a light target load.
I can pick the load up to a 188 ME if needed with Green Dot with no problems.

A 158gr LRN or wc might also give you accuracy, if the 148's don't work out.
Green Dot out of my 2" starts at 612fps.
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I have that same mold. I use that bullet with Speed Green lube, sized to .358" over light loads of W231. Accurate in my 3, 38 Specials and my 357 Magnum. I also use that bullet for my "house gun", a near max load of W231 gives me around 850 fps from my 3" 38.

Wadcutters have been more accurate in my revolvers than other design bullets (when loaded to the same velocities) and for a time I was experimenting with seating depths, crimps, and sizes in addition to loads and with the bullet shown, I seat to the crimp groove and lightly use a roll crimp over light loads. Works for me...
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Yep. I cast the 125 grainers I shot last weekend also.
I'm not suggesting you aren't well versed in casting but many folks use alloys that are harder than necessary. For low velocity target loads a rather soft alloy gets the job done very well, just a FYI...
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My 14-3 likes wc better than swc but that doesn't proof a thing for yours;experiments will tell.
I've never used Green Dot but again it might or might not give good accuracy in your gun.Generally,for a 148gr wc bullet,the norm is a faster powder.Numerous ones will do the job:
I've used 2.7 Red Dot ,2.7 Bullseye(by far the favorite of target shooters)and right now am using 2.6 gr 700X.
I don't bother to chrono them since velocity is not a requisite for a target load.
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The button nose 148 is a super choice. Lots of powders will do better than Green Dot with that bullet. American Select is my first pick with Bullseye next. It works good up to 920 fps or so. I have an H&G 6 cavity mold for that one. That is my favorite cast bullet for 38 special revolver. I seat mine flush with the button sticking out. You can turn it around and seat flush like a hbwc with good results. I shoot them that way in a 1911 38 special. These are 148s I made harder to go faster than normal in a 357.
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"I can keep my shots on a paper plate from 25 yards with the Lee 358-125-RF and 3.7 grains of Green Dot. Are wad cutters really that much better?"


If that is the best a model 14 will do from a rest, that is really sorry!
My Model 14 from a rest will cut 1" at 25yd with Lee 148gr wadcutter over HP38.
I have tried Green Dot with .38 WC and it was sorta OK with DEWC and DANGEROUS with soft HBWC, blowing out centers sometimes giving two holes on target. Strongly recommend HP38, Bullseye, or Red Dot.
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With the 148 HB or BB wc bullet I have used from Bullseye to real slow powders
over the many years of testing and developing loads for my 2" to 6" 38 Special loads.
I even went as far as using 5.5grs of W571 powder, that actually
gave me a 12 shot group at around 1.65" off hand at 15 yards.

From all my test, it just seems that all one has to do for close target work,
is to just get the bullets to fall out the end of the barrel and things
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If that is the best a model 14 will do from a rest, that is really sorry!
My Model 14 from a rest will cut 1" at 25yd with Lee 148gr wadcutter over HP38.
I have tried Green Dot with .38 WC and it was sorta OK with DEWC and DANGEROUS with soft HBWC, blowing out centers sometimes giving two holes on target. Strongly recommend HP38, Bullseye, or Red Dot.
1 man's sorry is another man's, wow I love this revolver. I just got the gun last week and haven't shot it a lot. The loads I was shooting were worked up for my 637 and some Remington factory loads. Shooting was very informal and all offhand. My plan is to work up a load for this gun using the 125 gr bullets and Green Dot. Then possibly buy a mold and work up a load using that bullet. Thank you for your comments about the Lee mold.
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I'm not suggesting you aren't well versed in casting but many folks use alloys that are harder than necessary. For low velocity target loads a rather soft alloy gets the job done very well, just a FYI...
I've been casting for a while but I'm not sure I'm well versed. I tend to use straight wheel weights and that might be a little to hard. Has worked well in 44mag and 9mm.
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That mold will do fine. I load a wc cast from 50-50 ww-pure with 3 gr Bullseye for a great shooting K frame load. It's the only thing I shoot that soft.
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I've been casting for a while but I'm not sure I'm well versed. I tend to use straight wheel weights and that might be a little to hard. Has worked well in 44mag and 9mm.
WW’s run about BHN 10 which should work well in your gun. The mold you mention is flat base, not beveled which will help obturate in the barrel. Lyman’s Cast Bullet Handbook is a great resource to learn about casting.
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6 Cavity 358-148 Wc - Lee Precision

These are great molds that produce quality bullets much faster, 6 cavity. MidwayUSA, Midsouth Shooters Supply, and Brownell's are cheaper than full retail.

I have the Lee 148 WC tumble lube mold that is also very good for quick production and quality bullets. For Target loads, tumble lubing is much quicker.
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Never had any real success with the greendot/148gr wc combo in the 38spl's. Hopefully you do better.

I'd either powder coat, tumble lube or only lube the bottom 2 lube grooves with traditional lube when prepping that 3 lube groove bullet. Putting lube in all 3 lube grooves makes accuracy suffer.
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I've been casting for a while but I'm not sure I'm well versed. I tend to use straight wheel weights and that might be a little to hard. Has worked well in 44mag and 9mm.
You can shoot WW alloy bullets(or any other alloy for that) accurately as long as they are well fitted to the chamber mouths of your gun.If you feel stifness while pushing a bullet through and out of the chambermouth of the cylinder,you are on the right path.If the bullet falls through freely,you just bought yourself a scrubbing ticket;make sure you have enough beer to last the whole scrubbing session!
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I used to cast those lubed with white label lube and the Lee wadcutter tumble lube version lubed with 45/45/10. Using 3gr bullseye, both were laser accurate out of my 14.
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I prefer the 140 grain SWC from LEE, but the 148 grain wadcutters is probably the most popular .38 Special bullet. I'd also recommend the 6 cavity molds over the 2 cavity versions.
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I should have never started this thread. At first I was just making conversation and seeking info for future use. Y'all have got me wanting to go ahead and order a mold. Going to be tied up this weekend and might not get to do any shooting and I sure won't be able to load any test cartridges.
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I should have never started this thread. At first I was just making conversation and seeking info for future use. Y'all have got me wanting to go ahead and order a mold.
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Either the 148 button-nose, 148 hollow-base (swaged bullet, ordered from Zero or the like), or the 158-gr LSWC.

For powders--WST, Bullseye Accurate #2. I suppose Red Dot as well, and of course VV N310.

Sort cases by headstamp at least. Even better is to measure them out by length to get the crimp positioning consistent. .38 Spl cases can vary quite a bit in length.
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Either the 148 button-nose, 148 hollow-base (swaged bullet, ordered from Zero or the like), or the 158-gr LSWC.

For powders--WST, Bullseye Accurate #2. I suppose Red Dot as well, and of course VV N310.

Sort cases by headstamp at least. Even better is to measure them out by length to get the crimp positioning consistent. .38 Spl cases can vary quite a bit in length.
Without a doubt. The ones I've measured vary between 1.139 and 1.150.
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The best I've done is 2" for 6 shots from 25 yards with the 125gr RF bullets. Have some 148gr wadcutters loaded with Bullseye and ready to test, hopefully this weekend.
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@ 292,

Please remember that the K38/Model 14 evolved out of/and was developed for an era dedicated to one-handed pistol shooting, and it excelled at that task! While the 6" Masterpieces were drafted into police duty with service ammo, it's forte is target shooting with target (read wadcutter) ammo.

A true gauge of your developer's capabilities lies within a very easy test. Get yourself a timed/rapid fire 25 yard target center and set it up at 25 yards. Shooting slowfire (one-handed), you should be able to put 10 shots in the ten ring, if not hugging the X ring. If your revolver and load can do that, you have a good load. Work to achieve that goal. Once your revolver and ammo can shoot to that standard, you are good to develop your single action, one-handed shooting not just at 50 yards slowfire, but also timed and rapid at 25 yards.
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How do you all measure your Bullseye powder? It ker-chunks through my RCBS measure. Usually within .1 gr plus or minus but not great when talking about small quantity.
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