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Old 04-05-2018, 03:52 PM
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The data on BE-86 shows 4.6 gr behind a 158 gr SWC as max. Recon it would be OK to try 3.5 gr behind a 148 HBWC? I'm trying to come up with another load and was wondering about this. I have 8lbs of it so I should be set for a while.

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Old 04-05-2018, 04:47 PM
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BE 86 is supposedly in between unique and power pistol,,, if it closer to power pistol you should be ok. However Hornady,,, ( only manual I have handy) lists 3.5 as a max load of unique.
What is the length of the 148 vs the 158 ? As in once seated do the two bullets basically take up the same amount of room in the case ?
If 4.6 is safe with a 158 AND you are seating the 148 so same amount of bullet is in the case, I dont see why it wouldnt be ok.
Dont think it would be that accurate till u got the pressure up though.
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:11 PM
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What is the difference between BE-86 and Bullseye? I have read various accounts that it is BE with flash retardant, BE made by different process, and a totally different powder.

Bullseye is a favorite. I have likely rolled tens of thousands of 2.8 grain Bullseye under a LHBWC, supreme accuracy. 3.2 under a LDEWC chronys higher, is accurate, but not as accurate as the 2.8 load. For faster bullets I use Unique.
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:27 PM
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BE 86 is NOTHING like Bullseye. Its slower than unique.
You are confusing it with Sport Pistol from alliant. WHich is about the same rate as bullseye, but cleaner and flash suppressed.
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Like Power Pistol, BE-86 is a derivative of Bullseye. It's not the same, but based on the Bullseye formula. However, using comparative loads in either Unique or Power Pistol as a baseline is a mistake. BE-86 has been described as Power Pistol with a flash suppressant, that's an oversimplification. It's been used for quite a while in commercial ammunition, such as Federals .45acp match loadings. For comparison, BE-84 is Alliant's internal designation for Power Pistol, also a Bullseye derivative. During the big powder shortage of a few years back, Alliant released BE-86 onto the market to help satisfy demand. I guess they didn't feel the need to give it some kind of catchy name. The most accurate 9mm load I've found to date is 5.9 grains of BE-86 under an 124 grain fmj bullet. I also like it in .45acp. A HBWC is a swagged bullet, not cast, so it shouldn't be driven as fast as a cast SWC. You should contact Alliant for their recommendation.
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I loaded 10 with 3.5 of BE-86 and got an average of 740 fps. The only thing that concerns me is that I'm seeing a minute amount of unburned/partially burned powder. Should I worry about this?
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That 4.6 gr of BE-86, under a 158 SWC load is about the same as 4.7 gr of Unique with the same bullet. I found BE-86 available during the shortage and liked it.
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I loaded 10 with 3.5 of BE-86 and got an average of 740 fps. The only thing that concerns me is that I'm seeing a minute amount of unburned/partially burned powder. Should I worry about this?
I noticed that for me BE86 performed better and burned cleaner with more pressure. It was not happy with lighter slower loads. A faster powder will work better for this task.
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I noticed that for me BE86 performed better and burned cleaner with more pressure. It was not happy with lighter slower loads. A faster powder will work better for this task.
Yeah, I usually do the ol' 2.8 of Bullseye but I'm almost out of it. I have about 8 lbs of the BE-86 and was hopeing it would work.
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That load of yours in my 686 6" with a 148gr HBWC did 826fps.

It was also pretty accurate but there were two other powders that
shot a tighter group but it is still a good plinking load, since you
have eight pounds of it to burn up.
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Yeah, I usually do the ol' 2.8 of Bullseye but I'm almost out of it. I have about 8 lbs of the BE-86 and was hopeing it would work.

When you look for a jack of all trades you end up with a master of none.
(say the fortune cookie)

I'd buy another # of bullseye and get 2,500 quality pulls of the trigger.
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