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Old 05-03-2018, 09:20 PM
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I put this in The Lounge also but I rarely go ther so I am posting it here for those who don't go there either...

Would you like to see a 10mm Auto Rim???

If so please let Starline know and if enough people ask and state how much they would buy who knows...they are now making .41 Special aren't they...and there are not even any dedicated .41 Special revolvers commercially made...just customs.

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I am all for a 10mm auto rim revolver. I just can't see it happening. I emailed Starline about making 500 JRH brass and they said there wasn't enough demand. Hell there is already factory revolver chambered for it and they still won't make brass.
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In the new Handloader (#314) magazine, in an article on the 10mm Auto, there's one line where Brian Pearce says "S&W is considering re-introducing the Model 610 revolver". Anybody heard that recently?

If S&W does, then I'd definitely like to see/have a 10mm Auto Rim to use in one.

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I can't see 10MM AR happening

41 Special, 45 Cowboy or 500 Special are easy since loading dies already exist that will work for them. It is very cheap for a handloader to add any of these to his lineup after all they are simply shorter versions of cartridges already in the production

A 10MM AR is MUCH harder to get off the ground

You would require a new shell holder for single stage presses. That is not too hard since one manufacturers product would fit all single stage presses. Getting one manufacturer to produce some would be pretty easy.

To sell the brass in quantity, you need to attract folks that shoot enough that they would use the faster progressive presses. Here you need new shell plates for those progressive loaders and every manufacturer uses a different plate.

It will be very hard to convince manufacturers to make 10MM AR plates. Or it will be very expensive to have one custom made for your press

Then depending on which dies you are using, most likely the crimping die would need to be replaced. Yes, you could take your crimping die to a grinding wheel and shorten it yourself but most folks won't.

The sizing die will also have to be redesigned to get all the way down to sit against that auto rim. In 40S&W, 10MM Auto and 10MM Magnum we do not have to size all the way down, we just size down to the extractor groove. This is a non-issue with 45AR since there is enough case web there to contain this low pressure cartridge.

OK you could strengthen the 10MM AR case web to handle 37,500+ psi and not need a new sizer. However now you have reduced the case capacity, so 10MM Auto loading data is no longer valid for this cartridge.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:41 AM
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I am just the opposite. I like the full moon clips. In the summer time when it is really hot, I take my 610 to the range very early in the am and can put 120 rounds down range in no time and leave before it gets really hot. Also, if I don't have a lot of time to spend at the range, I load my clips. Also, I enjoy using at other times.
I clamped 2 pieces of hardwood together and drilled 12 ˝ holes.
Put the bullets on each depression and press the clip onto the bullet and can load clips quickly. My demooning tool takes off 2 pieces of brass at the time so it is quick.
But to each, his own
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If you want it write... They told several of us that there was not enough demand for the .41 Special either...and it is now being produced.

As said Ruger just introduced the 10mm GP-100 and I will be picking one up in 10 days... They also have a Super Redhawk and their stainless Blackhawk can easily be modified to take AR without loosing the ability to shoot standard 10mm...

And since S&W is "thinking" about bringing back a 10mm why not at least ask...

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Old 05-04-2018, 06:02 AM
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....hummm...another thing I just thought of...will there be enough room in the GP-100 for the rims? In the 610 or SRH no problem, but I don't know about the GP...
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I'd ask. What's the worst they can say??? I like the 10mm and almost chose one as my woods gun in an Auto before I went with a 625 in .45acp/Super. I carried Supers in it exclusively until I went with .44Magnum 6 months ago.
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Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I really see the concept as a solution in search of a problem.
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...well there is a "problem" for a lot of people who like the concept of a 10mm revolver but don't want the hassle of dealing with the clips...

Was on another forum and one of the posters there knows of someone who has already made the request for 10K 10mm rimmed cases...so if a buch more of us ask it can happen...

As far as a shell holder goes...I would imagine Dillon would come out with one once the brass becomes available..and the rest would follow.
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Regardless of how unlikely! I’m all for it and would like to Starline make a special run here and there. Hoping it gains momentum.

Shell plates for reloading shouldn’t really be an issue.
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...and I thought I was the only one crazy enough to want one.
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I like the concept and would buy 10 mm AR brass. While I've only used .45 ACP brass for timed matches I've used .45 AR part of the time since 1975. Reloading is not always about making large quantities.

I doubt that new dies would be necessary for anything except roll crimping. Since all 10 mm dies will taper crimp .40 S&W they can crimp close enough to the shell holder to crimp 10 mm AR. At worst you'd have to select a sizer that does not have the most generous entry funnel.

However, one dimension might cause complications. Taurus made .45 ACP double actions on their Tracker frame. Taurus used thinner moon clips so their revolvers did not have enough head space for .45 AR. That had little effect on .45 AR brass production because Taurus .45 ACPs were a small fraction of the .45 ACP double action market. I have read that Ruger Redhawks do not use the same clips as 610s. I do not know if they are a different thickness, but it they are, then Rugers would require a different 10 mm AR rim thickness than S&Ws and it appears Rugers will become a more important part of the 10 mm double action market than Trackers were.
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WHY, when a 41 Mag will do the same thing, only better
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WHY, when a 41 Mag will do the same thing, only better
That is the exact same logic that some of the 44 Magnum guys use against the 41 Magnum enthusiasts.

It is also the same logic that some of the 500 Magnum guys use against the 44 Magnum enthusiasts.

Some people like Fords and some like Chevys, so what

There are enough Revolver owners in America to support all of the cartridges and more

I love both the 41 Magnum and 10MM Auto cartridges
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WHY, when a 41 Mag will do the same thing, only better
You are correct in that the 10 mm cartridge's 100 yard numbers do not come close to .41 Magnum power but not all revolvers are used for deer hunting.

The better question for my Model 610 would have been "Why when a .45 ACP will do the same thing, only reload faster?" (Thin walls between chambers combined with round nose bullets allows .45 full moon clips to be tossed in with a slight twisting motion with the gun in your peripheral vision.)

My most used revolver for timed center fire matches has been my Model 610 firing .40 S&W. .40 S&W factory cartridges are much less expensive than any rimmed center fire cartridge. Before Obama took office Wal-Mart sold Remington and Winchester 100 round boxes for $16. So much .40 S&W brass is left on the ground that it is essentially free. Like the full moon clips for modified .357s and .44s, .41 Magnum clips are thin and easily bent while filling and emptying them. Once bent they act as springs cushioning the firing pin blow causing missfires. Bent rimmed cartridge full moon clips cause most of the revolver failures in matches.

Since I've got the Model 610, some 10 mm AR brass would offer benefits. I would not have to bother with clips when I'm not going to matches.

Besides, as a collector I want unusual variations, as a reloader I want additional projects and boys want more toys.
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Plenty of arguments to be made for and against. Taking a semi-auto pistol round and shooting it in a revolver is a bit of an oddity but certainly, we do it. Actually trying to re-invent the round by making AutoRim brass is taking it to the extreme. This is merely my opinion, but my reasoning is...

The .45 AR exists because of the evolution of the .45 ACP revolver. It was piles of surplus revolvers that hatched the idea for this oddball brass in the first place. And the revolvers really only came to exist in the first place because of extreme wartime demand.

.45 AR brass is miles from normal, average brass. It's the oddest weighted, thick headedest stuff ever, because it is doing an oddball Rube Goldberg kind of job.

It exists because of war demands and piles of surplus guns and surplus ammo that ran out.
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You are correct in that the 10 mm cartridge's 100 yard numbers do not come close to .41 Magnum power...
And neither does its recoil.

I recently discovered the 10mm round and think it is the caterpiller's spats. For my purposes I prefer it to the .41 Magnum; I intend selling all my .41 components, then the revolver in that caliber. I hope many disagree with my conclusions, in that I will need someone to buy that stuff.
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I have become a big fan of 10mm in both revolvers and automatics. If auto-rim brass and shell holders became available I'd buy them. It would be useful for my 10mm Super Redhawk and if S&W re-introduces the 610.

10mm is a great reloaders cartridge. I think it's in a sweet spot for bullet diameter/case capacity. You get clean, accurate loads over a large range of bullet types and velocities.
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