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Old 05-15-2018, 03:00 PM
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I haven't tried any of the Rainer copper platted bullets yet. Rainer says to use lead data. So my in house powder is Trail Boss. I would be loading this down to low end fr .44-Mag for a S&W-M69/4.25". The lowest load (.44-Mag) listed by Hodgdon is in the .44 spcl , pressures, which would be my goal.

My original plan was 200 gr Lead, but I have been wanting to give rainers a try. Any thought would be appriciated before I make my bullet purchase.

Intended target would be these mutant black silhouettes that haunt the range. I swear our range is haunted, they are everywhere!! I had to put ghost sights on my AR.
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Old 05-15-2018, 03:05 PM
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Not sure the black silhouettes will know the difference between plated or lead.

I started shooting plated in the 9mm for IDPA only because club rules require plated or jacketed.

In my .44 I have been shooting the Bayou 215 grain SWC with good success up to mag. velocities with no issues.
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FWIW:

In 2 different 44mag's 7.0gr of trailboss and 3 different 180gr to 220gr bullets hold the x-ring (1 1/2") @25yds on an nra target.

I'm getting 3/4" to 1" 6-shot groups @25yds with 7.0gr of trailboss and a 200gr wc (top right).


On another website (castboolits.com) other members have reported the same results in their 44mag's. Namely 7.0gr of trailboss and xxx bullet.

7.gr would be a good place to start & while not in the 44spl pressure range. They are under 20,000psi and extremely soft shooting.
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My thought is to skip the plated bullet and go with a coated lead bullet that has a real crimping groove for a rimmed cartridge. You may or may not get away without bullet pull with a plated bullet but it's a real possibility that you'd have to be aware of. Plated offers no advantage over coated that I can see, but has the potential for a downside.

I have Berry 220FP's I shoot in my '57 Ruger SA and Xtreme 240RN's with a cannelure so shallow that it feels like it's photo-etched. Both offer acceptable accuracy but can't compare to coated or jacketed. They cost me 12-13 cents apiece and I've bought genuine Zero 240JSP's for that. No more plated bullets in revolvers for me.
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In the low end velocity of 44 caliber, I shot cowboy action with 44-40 and 44 Special. My guns and targets showed no difference between coated and cast 200 RNFP.

Trail Boss is a little expensive. You may wish to try 4.4 gr of Clays for low velocity in 44 Mag (My 2 3/8 and 8 3/8 S&W's like the load!) Clays is clean burning, meters well, and is not position sensitive.

When buying 44 bullets, be sure of which diameter you receive. .429-.431 are for 44 Special, Russian, and Magnum. .427 is for 44-40, 44 Remington and 44 Colt. (these cartridges names not the guns!) Two times I had companies ship me .427 bullets when I ordered .430! (At the distance and size of Cowboy Action Targets, I could probably get away with .401 bullets!)

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Odd, every time I read Rainier's website they state you should use jacketed loading recipes. And I should add I put a stout lee factory crimp on mine or the projectiles all fall out on the ground on the first shot...somewhat embarrassing. I 've been shooting them through a .45lc.

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In the low end velocity of 44 caliber, I shot cowboy action with 44-40 and 44 Special. My guns and targets showed no difference between coated and cast 200 RNFP.

Trail Boss is a little expensive. You may wish to try 4.4 gr of Clays for low velocity in 44 Mag (My 2 3/8 and 8 3/8 S&W's like the load!) Clays is clean burning, meters well, and is not position sensitive.

When buying 44 bullets, be sure of which diameter you receive. .429-.431 are for 44 Special, Russian, and Magnum. .427 is for 44-40, 44 Remington and 44 Colt. (these cartridges names not the guns!) Two times I had companies ship me .427 bullets when I ordered .430! (At the distance and size of Cowboy Action Targets, I could probably get away with .401 bullets!)

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Clays is an excellent powder for plinking loads in the 44mag. 6.0gr to 6.5gr with bullets weighing 180gr to 245gr will give you countless hours of quality range time.
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