Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-28-2018, 04:02 PM
bluetopper's Avatar
bluetopper bluetopper is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northeast TX
Posts: 810
Likes: 268
Liked 319 Times in 154 Posts
Default Sides of Primers Left In

I was loading some 44 Mag yesterday and I had the sides of two old primers that were left in the brass while the bottoms were punched out. I guess the brass is ruined as I donít know how I can ever get the rest of the primers out.
Attached Thumbnails
Sides of Primers Left In-f5d71596-cf3e-4506-8053-37b2e775b421-jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-28-2018, 04:13 PM
old&slow old&slow is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: central, Ohio
Posts: 1,112
Likes: 940
Liked 1,183 Times in 509 Posts
Default

Yep, it happens every once in awhile.. I just throw it in the scrap brass box and forget about it..
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-28-2018, 04:14 PM
deadin's Avatar
deadin deadin is online now
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ocean Shores, WA, USA
Posts: 4,754
Likes: 106
Liked 2,898 Times in 1,082 Posts
Default

How long has it been since those rounds were fired? They look like range brass that has been sitting around long enough for corrosion to set in.
__________________
Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 05-28-2018, 04:18 PM
bluetopper's Avatar
bluetopper bluetopper is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northeast TX
Posts: 810
Likes: 268
Liked 319 Times in 154 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deadin View Post
How long has it been since those rounds were fired? They look like range brass that has been sitting around long enough for corrosion to set in.
Your guess would be just as good as mine.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-28-2018, 06:30 PM
HKSmith HKSmith is offline
SWCA Member
Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 506
Likes: 197
Liked 284 Times in 125 Posts
Default

I've been reloading since 1964 and have seen 8 or 9 of these over the years. Several of them were from one lot of W-W nickeled .38 S&W brass. I'm still using that lot of brass and it's been years since this has happened. Probably loaded 10-12 times without problems.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-28-2018, 07:05 PM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,437
Likes: 2
Liked 1,052 Times in 586 Posts
Default

I've had this happen but only in .38 Special brass.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-28-2018, 07:13 PM
fredj338's Avatar
fredj338 fredj338 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kalif. usa
Posts: 4,771
Likes: 1,099
Liked 2,172 Times in 1,395 Posts
Default

This is not uncommon with range brass left out in the elements too long. Once the primer pockets get wet, nothing good is gonna happen.
__________________
NRA Cert. Inst. IDPA CSO
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 05-28-2018, 08:20 PM
muddocktor's Avatar
muddocktor muddocktor is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: South Louisiana
Posts: 2,808
Likes: 5,176
Liked 3,525 Times in 1,415 Posts
Default

I've never personally had that happen. Thanks for posting it up for us to see.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-28-2018, 08:48 PM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,437
Likes: 2
Liked 1,052 Times in 586 Posts
Default

None of mine was range brass pickup. I'm pretty sure it was Winchester .38 Special brass I bought new. I won't complain as some of the cases may have been loaded fifteen to twenty times or more. I've probably seen no more than ten cases so damaged. I would guess it's a faulty primer cup, but seems no one knows for sure.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-28-2018, 09:07 PM
mmaher94087 mmaher94087 is offline
SWCA Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,782
Likes: 2
Liked 727 Times in 426 Posts
Default

I'm new to metallic reloading. Isn't there a tool called a "Pocket Reamer"? Can it be used for this problem? Or, is it only for 'uniforming' the brass case primer pocket?
__________________
Mike Maher #283
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-28-2018, 09:10 PM
Enigma's Avatar
Enigma Enigma is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Daegu, Korea
Posts: 43
Likes: 16
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmaher94087 View Post
I'm new to metallic reloading. Isn't there a tool called a "Pocket Reamer"? Can it be used for this problem? Or, is it only for 'uniforming' the brass case primer pocket?
Some are for removing the primer crimp from military brass; some are for uniforming the primer pocket.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-28-2018, 10:15 PM
deadin's Avatar
deadin deadin is online now
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ocean Shores, WA, USA
Posts: 4,754
Likes: 106
Liked 2,898 Times in 1,082 Posts
Default

Just out of curiosity.... What kind of depriming tool were you using?
(I don't see how the first example would have been removable from a standard shell holder....???)
__________________
Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-28-2018, 10:26 PM
fredj338's Avatar
fredj338 fredj338 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kalif. usa
Posts: 4,771
Likes: 1,099
Liked 2,172 Times in 1,395 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockquarry View Post
None of mine was range brass pickup. I'm pretty sure it was Winchester .38 Special brass I bought new. I won't complain as some of the cases may have been loaded fifteen to twenty times or more. I've probably seen no more than ten cases so damaged. I would guess it's a faulty primer cup, but seems no one knows for sure.
Pretty sure thesame thingcan happen if you wet cleaned & did t dry the pockets before priming.
__________________
NRA Cert. Inst. IDPA CSO
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-28-2018, 10:28 PM
fredj338's Avatar
fredj338 fredj338 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kalif. usa
Posts: 4,771
Likes: 1,099
Liked 2,172 Times in 1,395 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deadin View Post
Just out of curiosity.... What kind of depriming tool were you using?
(I don't see how the first example would have been removable from a standard shell holder....???)
I have had primers Seat sideways, you can wiggle them out f most shell holders/plates.
__________________
NRA Cert. Inst. IDPA CSO
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 05-28-2018, 10:54 PM
bluetopper's Avatar
bluetopper bluetopper is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northeast TX
Posts: 810
Likes: 268
Liked 319 Times in 154 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deadin View Post
Just out of curiosity.... What kind of depriming tool were you using?
(I don't see how the first example would have been removable from a standard shell holder....???)

My depriming tool is a Lee carbide 44 sizing die mounted in a Hornady LNL progressive press. Undo one bolt and the shellplate lifts out freeing everything.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 05-28-2018, 11:15 PM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,437
Likes: 2
Liked 1,052 Times in 586 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredj338 View Post
Pretty sure thesame thingcan happen if you wet cleaned & did t dry the pockets before priming.
I don't wet clean; couldn't imagine going to such trouble to clean brass.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-08-2018, 07:33 PM
bamacisa bamacisa is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Posts: 280
Likes: 29
Liked 83 Times in 48 Posts
Default

Midway used to sell a tool for that problem, It would remove the sides of the primer left in the shell. Most people don't bother with it and they just toss the case in the trash.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-08-2018, 10:10 PM
gwpercle's Avatar
gwpercle gwpercle is online now
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, La.
Posts: 3,407
Likes: 1,847
Liked 2,665 Times in 1,411 Posts
Default

Moisture in the primer pocket causes the corrosion which does that.
A warning to all who pick up range brass from the grass and those who tumble with water and pins....get the pockets dry , really dry, before priming . Range pick up brass exposed to dew or rain will also do this, decap them ASAP . If the primers stick it's best to trash or use to make dummy round.
Gary
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-09-2018, 11:14 AM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 17,297
Likes: 8,192
Liked 10,562 Times in 4,655 Posts
Default

It happens seldom enough it itn't cost effective to bother with it. For those of you that "just won't give up", try an appropriate sized drill bit in your drill press paying particular care with the alignment. Be sure the brass is secure in a drill vice.
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #20  
Old 06-09-2018, 12:06 PM
mikld's Avatar
mikld mikld is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: May 2012
Location: S. Orygun
Posts: 1,306
Likes: 808
Liked 649 Times in 404 Posts
Default

I agree with the consises above, sh!* happens. I've been reloading over 30 years and can only remember one or two "ringers". Being a lifelong "perfectionist" machinist/mechanic with a touch of OCD, I'd first try a hook, like a dentist's pick, and pull the remaining primer parts out. Or use an appropriate size tap to wedge into the ring and pull it out. But my suggestion to a "normal" reloader is to toss them as 44 Magnum brass is plentiful and it can be a lot of work to save just two cases...

Last edited by mikld; 06-09-2018 at 12:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-09-2018, 12:45 PM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,437
Likes: 2
Liked 1,052 Times in 586 Posts
Default

Brass may be more expensive than ever, but it's still quite reasonable when you consider the number of times it can be loaded. Throw away troublesome cases; hardly worth the effort to make them right.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-09-2018, 02:05 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is online now
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 1,939
Likes: 126
Liked 1,977 Times in 844 Posts
Default

Primers are soft in comparison to the brass.. take a small scribe or screwdriver and pick them out..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #23  
Old 06-09-2018, 05:49 PM
df06 df06 is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 743
Likes: 542
Liked 734 Times in 318 Posts
Default

Interesting, I have been reloading since the mid 70s and never have seen that occur.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-09-2018, 07:35 PM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 17,297
Likes: 8,192
Liked 10,562 Times in 4,655 Posts
Default

I found it most often in older military cases.
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-11-2018, 06:51 AM
Engineer1911's Avatar
Engineer1911 Engineer1911 is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Augusta, GA
Posts: 4,750
Likes: 4,788
Liked 3,745 Times in 1,772 Posts
Default

Give it up! Throw the brass in the trash. You can toss it early or 4 hours later when you can't get the primers out.

I happily threw out 7 WW cases just like yours 3 weeks ago. It isn't worth the effort.
__________________
S&WCA # 2533, Inactive

Last edited by Engineer1911; 06-11-2018 at 06:52 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-11-2018, 07:46 AM
steelslaver's Avatar
steelslaver steelslaver is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central Montana
Posts: 4,648
Likes: 1,986
Liked 8,625 Times in 2,812 Posts
Default

The right size bottom tap might give you enough bite on them to pull them out. But, only if you have a tap and nothing better to do.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #27  
Old 06-11-2018, 09:13 AM
joeintexas's Avatar
joeintexas joeintexas is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 3,448
Likes: 6,876
Liked 5,143 Times in 1,907 Posts
Default

Personally I'd toss them. Never found a piece of brass I felt that close to. Seems like a lot of work.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-13-2018, 11:27 AM
mikld's Avatar
mikld mikld is offline
Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: May 2012
Location: S. Orygun
Posts: 1,306
Likes: 808
Liked 649 Times in 404 Posts
Default

I remember just one "ringer" on a 44 Magnum case that was a range pick up. No idea how old the case was or how long it had been sitting out in the weather. I do remember a few "punctured" primers on military brass ( decapping pin punches through the bottom of the primer cup.). I believe I just tossed them...
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-13-2018, 12:10 PM
S&WIowegan S&WIowegan is offline
US Veteran
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 3,082
Likes: 7,581
Liked 2,145 Times in 1,113 Posts
Talking

I've had this occur on rare occasions, but I don't recall how I resolved the problem. My normal tendency is to drop everything and work on it. If I ruin the brass then it's OK to throw it away.
__________________
Bob.
SWCA 1821
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #30  
Old 06-13-2018, 12:56 PM
Old_Cop Old_Cop is offline
SWCA Member
Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In Sides of Primers Left In  
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Crawford County PA
Posts: 666
Likes: 725
Liked 1,057 Times in 400 Posts
Default

I have had this issue with .38 Special brass that got wet in the rain at a PPC match. It sure slows down a progressive reloader. I throw it away.
__________________
Made it, Ma! Top of the world!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTB S&W 22A with polished sides MustangSally WANTED to Buy 0 05-18-2011 02:57 PM
Rail Covers! What does everyone like? I want to cover the right and left sides... GKH Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 19 03-02-2011 08:12 AM
CCI550 Small Pistol Primers Reloading - Only Primers left FTF Indiana/Ohio NealWright Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 2 05-19-2010 08:47 AM
what are the down sides to a new longer firing pin.. boomer686 S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 10 02-20-2010 02:21 PM
S&W #332, engraved, now both sides done. David Lee Valdina S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 5 03-17-2009 07:21 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:11 PM.


© S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2018
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)