|
|
07-20-2018, 09:28 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
|
Hornady dies
I just bought a sig 229 .40 s&w. I was looking a hornady dies and see that they have 2 options, their custom grade dies, and the american series, which are cheaper, and have a free shell holder.
The American series was not offered when I bought my other Hornady dies. Cheaper is not always better. What is the difference? Both come with the free bullet offer
|
07-21-2018, 06:29 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Central Texas
Posts: 1,185
Likes: 2,688
Liked 1,114 Times in 501 Posts
|
|
I suspect that the more expensive dies are Carbide.
All of my dies are Lee, though perusing the Hornady website it does not really specify other than state that their cheaper dies are made from "hardened steel". A little bit of smoke & mirrors advertising I suspect. Carbide dies last forever, IMO, so that might help you decide.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-21-2018, 06:58 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 179
Liked 1,661 Times in 691 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by HorizontalMike
I suspect that the more expensive dies are Carbide.
All of my dies are Lee, though perusing the Hornady website it does not really specify other than state that their cheaper dies are made from "hardened steel". A little bit of smoke & mirrors advertising I suspect. Carbide dies last forever, IMO, so that might help you decide.
|
??????
Per Hornady:
The 3-die American Series™ sizing dies feature an industry-leading titanium nitride sizing ring that reduces friction and case sticking, and helps prolong case life.
I have a lee 44mag/spl carbide sizing die and a hornady titanium nitride sizing die. The hornady sizing is superior to the lee hands down.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-21-2018, 09:10 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 410
Likes: 109
Liked 321 Times in 151 Posts
|
|
I think it's the packaging and a price point. Lee used to do the same thing.
|
07-21-2018, 09:13 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 439
Likes: 1,660
Liked 458 Times in 156 Posts
|
|
Additionally, the American dies don't come with a storage box.
|
07-21-2018, 10:53 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,929
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,802 Times in 1,851 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by superforce
You really won't see any difference in accuracy using competition dies in a factory built rifle, the tolerences on the rifle are to great. You are far better off just neck sizing and only firing that brass in that particular rifle.
|
I think the OP was about .40 S&W so neck sizing isn't a option.
|
07-21-2018, 11:23 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 232
Likes: 255
Liked 160 Times in 110 Posts
|
|
It's been my experience that a heat treated steel sizer die is subject to scratches after prolonged wear but the titanium nitride sizing ring on the American series will outlast steel. For .40 S&W, I would opt for the die set with the titanium nitride sizing ring.
I have a .44 WCF die set from Hornady. It has a heat treated steel sizer die. I have only run tumble cleaned brass cases through it and yet, the die managed to pick up a scratch. Yes, Hornady polished the die but let my example be your guide in choosing a set of dies. Get the set with the titanium nitride sizing ring.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-21-2018, 11:33 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 232
Likes: 255
Liked 160 Times in 110 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VAPA
Additionally, the American dies don't come with a storage box.
|
Yes, it's more of a blister box package. I suppose a call to Hornady customer service might result in them sending a true die box.
|
07-21-2018, 01:19 PM
|
|
Moderator SWCA Member Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northeast PA, USA
Posts: 8,877
Likes: 1,029
Liked 5,070 Times in 2,660 Posts
|
|
The packaging is cheaper but the dies are the same. Like said, they don't come with the heavy plastic case. The big difference is the locking rings. The more expensive dies come with the sure-lock rings and the American series dies come with RCBS style rings. There lies the biggest savings if you are willing to do without the better locking rings.
__________________
Freedom is never free!!
SWCA #3437
|
07-21-2018, 01:48 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 409
Likes: 6
Liked 399 Times in 195 Posts
|
|
I have one Hornady titanium nitride pistol die and did not like it. I believe the titanium nitride is applied to a steel ring and my die was rough and not as slick as carbide.
I prefer the Lee, RCBS or Redding carbide sizing dies, a Lyman type "M" expander for straight in-line seating with much less mouth flare.
The newer Redding pistol dies now come with the Lyman type expander.
Below the center Redding expander die has the Lyman type "M" expander. This greatly aids straight in-line seating and prevents bullet tilting.
Below is a .223 Lyman type "M" expander and only expands the case mouth .002 larger than bullet diameter. And with brass spring back the neck is expanded less than .002. This puts far less strain on the case mouth like a bell flare does. I know this is for a rifle and I only posted the photo as a example of how little the expander works the brass.
I only bump the case mouth onto the second step and you can start your bullets straight in the case with just your fingers.
Last edited by bigedp51; 07-21-2018 at 02:04 PM.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-21-2018, 02:36 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 232
Likes: 255
Liked 160 Times in 110 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchAngelCD
The packaging is cheaper but the dies are the same. Like said, they don't come with the heavy plastic case. The big difference is the locking rings. The more expensive dies come with the sure-lock rings and the American series dies come with RCBS style rings. There lies the biggest savings if you are willing to do without the better locking rings.
|
I like Hornady's sure-lock rings better than the RCBS style rings. I also favor either Hornady's titanium nitride or the RCBS carbide rings over heat treated steel. I converted all of my sizer dies that I could over to titanium nitride or carbide. They're great for straight wall cases.
|
07-21-2018, 11:09 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
|
I have lee, and rcbs carbide dies 32, 9mm, 38/357, 44, 45acp. I don't care what it is called carbide, titanium nitride, or whatever, as long as I don't have to lube. If the only thing different is the package, and the lock ring, I may consider the american series.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-22-2018, 03:39 AM
|
Banned
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 3,121
Likes: 2,661
Liked 4,324 Times in 1,793 Posts
|
|
I have the Custom Grade New Dimension 3-die .45 ACP set. It also comes with two seating stems--one for HP/RNFP/TCFP/SWCs, and one for roundnoses. Overall, I think they're a worthwhile $9 upgrade from the American series.
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|