Hi:
I find it difficult to get good metering with Unique Powder in a Ideal #55 Powder Measure ?

Opinions ?

Thanks,
Jimmy

There are many powder measures available but they all operate pretty much the same way. I use Unique in my Dillon measure without issues. But then, I used to load quite a bit of rifle ammo with IMR 4350 powder on an RCBS Rockchucker and a Lyman powder measure. Once you've loaded 4350, pistol powders feel like you forgot to add powder to the measure.

Forgot to mention that it's always a good idea to settle the powder in the measure by re-cycling the first few throws before charging the cases. You'll get more uniform throws and it's easier to get the charge right using a powder scale.

Unique does not meter well in my Dillon 650 so I've switched to Universal. Meters better, the load date is almost identical and to me it seems to shoot a little cleaner.

I don't understand the drama with Unique. I load it and 4350 (30.06) in Lee measures with no issue. Of course, with the rifle powder I measure a bit low and trickle up. The trick with Unique is to (to me) eliminate the mythical bridging with a repeatable tap. Anywhere from 4.0 to 10.0 grains is reliable.

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I've used it for years in an RCBS and rapped it twice with the handle up and again with it down.It was pretty consistent.Then I made a baffle for it and just work the handle now-works great

Rap the measure a couple of times to settle the powder. Then discard the first two throws. See if that helps.

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Dick

My dillon powder measures are polished

Unique works well in my 550b and XL650

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I've heard of people mounting an aquarium air pump on the side of their measure to act as a vibrator to get the powder to settle and flow evenly. Never tried it but others seemed pleased with the results.

A while back I got a Harrell's Precision pistol powder measure. This thing will throw a perfect charge every time. It wasn't cheap, but will last a lifetime.

Another option with Unique powder is to use one of the Lee Powder Measure Scoops, (aka Lee Powder Measure Kit). This is a set of the little yellow scoops that you find in the old Lee Loaders.

Decidedly a low-tech approach, they are fast (OK, maybe not progressive press fast) and have good repeatable accuracy, if you're consistent in your technique.

The 1.0cc scoop is one of my old favorites for throwing just the right charge of Unique for 44 Magnum or 45 Colt under a 250 gr. SWC.

Jim

Unique certainly has more of a propensity to 'hang' frequently on the downstroke than finer powders, requiring you to dump the case and do it over. But that minor aggravation is more than made up for by the powder's strengths. It certainly isn't anything like an extruded rifle powder which requires trickling.

As others have mentioned, dump the first couple of charges. Then, tap the lever against its stop on the upstroke, and again on the downstroke. You ought to be able to get it to work for you.

One of the benefits of an RCBS ChargeMaster is that it eliminates such hassles. It's a tiny bit slower than throwing charges with a powder measure, but it weighs every charge. No more "was that bit of hang on the last downstroke hard enough that I should dump this charge" decisions.

If nothing else works, Win 231 is an able substitute, and it meters much more easily.

As someone trained in the application of Statistical Process Controls many many years ago with any new powder I run a Capability Study on the metering properties of any powder I use. The Standard Deviation for Unique and Longshot in my RCBS Competition powder measure is 0.17 grains. Multiply that by 3 and you have the 6 Sigma range, which is +/- 0.5 grains. For me that is unacceptable for a Handgun load so I ALWAYS trickle EVERY SINGLE CHARGE when loading handgun with either of these powders. As you might imagine this is inconvenient enough that I don't use either very often for Handgun loads. My goto powders for Handgun loads were chosen based on their metering properties. For 38 special my choice is Vihtavouri 3N37 which meters superbly and is not measurably Position Sensitive. For Semi Auto calibers featuring smaller case capacities I use a powder that is a bit Position Sensitive but which also meters superbly, that being IMR SR7625. Unfortunately 7625 was discontinued several years back but I still have a good stock of this powder and when it runs out I will probably start using one of the Accurate Handgun powders such as #2 or #5.

BTW, if you are interested in shotgun shooting Unique is nearly ideal for Target 20 gage loads and with the much larger charge volume used the poor metering properties aren't significant. So, dont trade away your Unique, just use it in the application it was originally developed for. BTW, Longshot is also a Shotgun Powder but it's mainly used in rather powerful 12 gage Goose loads.

I started loading on a borrowed Lyman Spar-T press, a No. 55 measure, and a 5-0-5 Lyman/Ohas scale. I didn't know this was about as good as you could get in the 70's! I've bought lot of scales and powder drops over the years, some used, some new, and there is a marked difference!

If you use a Lyman No. 55 and any flake powder. especially with small charges of powder. There is a small metal object that is hinged to the front of the measure; Lyman calls it a "Hammer". It is flipped once or twice vigorously when the lever is up and again when the lever is down. This settles the powder when filling the charge and gets the last flakes out when empting the charge. This is the only way to get consistent loads on small cases like 32 Short and 25 ACP.

Also you must be patient, and not plan on 500 rounds an hour!

The Lyman No. 55 is sold in a couple configurations nowdays. A normal Smokeless version and a non-sparking Black Powder Version (which comes with a long drop tube, that is almost worthless). Spend the extra 5 or 10% and get the Black Powder version (buy once , cry once!) You will never need another powder drop.

The latest one I own is black hammer tone . They were orange for a while in the 80's and were grey before that. The No.55 is an updated version of the No. 50. The difference being the No. 50 was all cast iron, including the hopper! The No.55 has a glass/plastic/Lexan see thru hopper. The metering portion and the Hammer are the same (and the parts are interchangeable!). in the early 1900's, Harry Pope (of Pope Bullet fame) set many records that still stand with a No. 50 and H4227!

Ivan

I couldn't imagine resorting to air pumps and other gimmick fixes to make powder flow better. We currently have an incredible number of available powders. Many of these will ballistically duplicate others. A bit of experimentation will help locate one or more of these powders that will do everything Unique will, yet will go through a measure with consistency.

This. Ball powders are just too easy. I haven't bought a stick or flake powder in years for either handgun or rifle cartridges.

If you ever scale weigh those scoop charges you'll throw those VERY far away.

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The scoops are just as accurate as the person using them . They are a fixed volume . The variation comes from the person using them . I have 2 sets of scoops , the older red ones and the newer yellow one . Have used them for many many years with complete satisfaction .
I have the " LEE perfect powder measure " . It measures the flake powders just fine and no seepage (like with ball powders ) . I do tap the side of the drum twice each time to insure consistency . It might not be necessary , but it's the way I do it . It is not an expensive powder measure and I will keep one on my bench . Hope this helps , Paul

There are so many "types/shapes" of powders that one powder measure to work 100% accurately is very rare. The main thing in using a powder measure is consistency. Preform every throw exactly like the previous throw (same speed, same "throw length", same bumps, same position of yer tongue). Even humidity can affect powder charge weights.

The same tactic is used when using dippers; consistency. When I'm on a roll I can keep my dipper charges about the same as my powder measure charges. Some can't get the methods down for using dippers as there are different "styles" that can vary the powder charge (bottom first, bottom first and strike with a straight edge, mouth first, mouth first twice, depth of powder dish, etc.) and some don't try as dippers aren't "sophisticated" enough...

In my experience it depends on the workmanship/quality of the fit of the drum inside the frame/hopper. I had an old (1960s/70s) Lyman #55 measure that was very smooth and threw accurate charges of Unique. The hole that the drum rotates in was bored and finished very smoothly which resulted in a close fit.

Years later I had another #55 that fake powder would get between the frame/hopper and bind the drum - charges thrown were undependable. The fit between the drum and the frame was sloppy and there were lots of tool marks - powder would get get gummed up in the machine marks and had to be brushed out with a stiff brush to get the drum to turn smoothly again. It was such a problem that I couldnt get through 50 cartridges without taking apart the measure to clean it.

I kept the #55 for a while but only used it for extruded stick powder and ball powder. Now I use a RCBS measure.

Do it just like arjay states , two taps up and two taps down and keep the hopper level at least half way filled.

All of this tapping fills the measure cavity and settles the powder in the cavity. It works better than the little "knocker" on the #55 .

Sit down and practice throwing charges, use the same amount of force on the upstroke taps and the down stroke taps , consistent taps , consistent handle operations and strokes. Do not operate the measure too quickly.

Big tip with the #55 , adjust the slides to give a narrow and deep opening ....not a shallow wide opening. The narrow deep opening gives more consistent charges .

After getting a deep & narrow opening set , then just sit and practice , consistent handle speed and consistent handle force along with two taps (you can do three , I started out doing 4) but two up and down works just fine....experiment and weigh your drops to get consistent.
I been using Unique and a #55 since 1967 and no longer have any problems using the above methods.
Gary

I think it's mostly technique when throwing charges with most flake powders. I tap once on the upstroke, twice on the down stroke. Works for me with the Duomeasure. I have no issues with it or most flake powders in the Dillon either. Set up the powder fail safe rod to be snug so you get a little snap when the bar comes forward. Now 800X, totally diff issue in any powder measure I have tried.

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Do you have a baffle in your powder hopper? You could always trickle it, or use a dipper. How accurate do you need? Going to camp Perry?

I have been using Unique for 40 plus years and never had a problem with it. I read all the negative posts about it and for the life of me can't figure it out. Almost all of my reloading problems with powder, or anything else, is operator error. I have some old Pacific and RCBS powder measures and they work for me. I do check the powder on a scale and trickle up for rifle loads, but that's a different powder. Unique is a great powder and I use it for shotgun and all of my pistol loads except for some hot .357's and 44 mags. I just can't find anything wrong with Unique powder.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

Yes. That's my recipe for 44 magnum out of my Contender. Excellent 50 yard load.
I've gone to Unique for just about all my handgun loads. It meters well in my Dillion.

If you want really accurate, consistent loads, I recommend any of several different powders, unless you use a trickler to top off the loads sit Unique.

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SWCA1967 SWHF244

Translation: Unique doesn't meter well.

jimmyj, I've been using a Lyman 55 since my Dad first bought one in the 60's. And the 2 things I've bought for mine (bought in the early 80's) that helped improve powder throws with flake powder are the powder baffle that goes in the reservoir and buying the large reservoir, which hold just about a full pound of powder. When I'm using Unique, I usually do the knocker 3 times on each charge and it throws pretty accurately, plus I keep a good supply of powder in the reservoir. I actually have more problems with it throwing accurate charges with Blue Dot than with Unique.

I’ve had a Lyman 55 since the 1980’s.
I upgraded to a Harrell’s. The micro settings allow repeatability. I cycle the measure 10 times to let everything settle then the weight is very constant. Unique doesn’t meter as good as some other powders but is no problem.

By the way if you just start throwing powder you want know how accurate your measure is. I weigh every charge.
You would be surprised how fast this is.

In some of my loads, I use Unique for maximum fps, since it beats out
the other powders that I have.

I don't mind the extra time to weigh each load, since I am at Max. pressures.

For target loads I just use other powders that flow better.
Plus one on "Universal" as a good substitute in pistol loads.
Not as good in 12 Ga., though.

I've been using Unique for at least 45 years. The only powder measure I have ever owned is a Lachmiller that I picked up on sale about 1975. I developed the habit of two sharp raps of the charging handle on the up-stroke and two sharp raps on the down-stroke. Zero problems with powder bridging and very consistent results.

I thought I was the only one left in the world that used Lachmiller products. I have a set of .357 mag dies. When I tell folks that they almost always say, "Is that a new die maker?" Uh, no it's not exactly new.

A tenth or 2 variation is not going to make any measurable difference . Your scale s only accurate to +/- one tenth anyway. Worrying about being a tenth or 2 over maximum published load is a waste. Your scale could throw you off that much.

per post #33;

I found out that my scale is a lot more accurate in the summer time.......................
when I close the door off to the house, where the A/C is on HIGH !!!!

Later.

Used Unique for years in different cartridges. I can run it through a measure, also my Dillon 550 and w Lee dippers if I'm feeling old school. I suggest not trying for max using a dippers. Go midrange and you'll never have a problem. I even load rifle ammo w a Lee dipper at times w good results.

Or just go with a ChargeMaster 1500 when it's time to upgrade. I use it on all my handgun reloading with all powders. Works great.

After it dispenses the powder, I drop it in the case, verify fill level, place bullet in case mouth, seat it & inspect. ChargeMaster already has a new charge dispensed & waiting.

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I have one as well and they seem to be good scales. Sometimes I get a little drift with mine but I don’t know if any other scales better. I use it to set my powder measure on my Dillon’s for handgun rounds so I only use the trickle function with low volume rifle rounds. I shoot wayyyy to much volume with handguns to weigh every one as I would have to give up my day job for the time required


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Unique is a powder that I weigh digitally each load, I just can't get it to meter through my cheapy Lee that most others are consistent in. But that is OK, I don't shoot large quantities and have other powders that meter excellent to work with. Someday I may spend some time to see if I can remedy the situation for dispensing Unique consistently.
Karl

For me it is one of those, "who cares"....

My standard load for a .41 Magnum is 8.0 grains... The Dillon and Lyman measures will throw 7.9-8.1... If you precisely measured out each charge weight, 7.9, 8.0 and 8.1, the extreme spreads would overlap...and the averages would be what 10 fps apart...a difference that doesn't make any difference makes no difference...

Bob

I have a Chargemaster. Doesn’t compare to the Harrell’s if speed is a issue.

In my experience the Harrell’s works the best for small pistol charges.
The Chargemaster for large charges of rifle powder. Especially the extruded type.
The Lyman 55 is very accurate but very slow to precisely adjust.

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Just shot this afternoon some 41 mag loads with unique loaded on one of my Dillon’s. 6 shot groups 1.5 inch or less off a rest at 25 yards. All that worrying about precise weight is not warranted.What matters is how they shoot. I think I will load a couple hundred more on the Dillon and worry a tenth or two variation


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I turn mine off then on & it seems to clear the drift issue for a while.

I hear you. I load 200-300 a week frequently but I'm retired. Speed is not an issue. I'm just a little OCD.

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I gave up trying to "throw" my own powder charges about two years ago. If I'm using the single stage press, I'm using my RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Powder Scale and Dispenser(RCBS #: 98940) It is the single most useful product on my bench since I got my Dillon 550 RLB almost 20 years ago.

Worth the money two times over, IMHO.

That being said, I haven't put Unique through it yet.

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Agree. I use Unique for multiple handgun loads and shot shell gauges. And have done so for decades.
I have a powder baffle in all my shot shell loaders and my RCBS measure. After I get them set for the right weight, I toss the first 2-3 throws and load. Never had the slightest issue.
Don’t over think this stuff.

With the #55 powder measure, the shape of the chamber in the drum can be changed; for example, narrow and deep, wide and shallow, and everything in between.
Setting it to where the opening is about as wide as it is deep works well for me with pistol powders.

Find the right drum chamber width/depth ratio, and it'll work fine.

If I have a small batch and don't feel up to setting up the powder measure, out come the Lee scoops. Loading .38 target rounds with that .03 or whatever it is scoop is a breeze. Saves motion.

Two things I advocate with a powder measure is a baffle that puts constant 'head' on the powder that is going in the chamber. Also, as mentioned before, beating and banging on the crank in a way to get the power to settle completely in the chamber and doing that consistently works best.

I think that a sophisticated way would be to put a vibrator on the chamber area with a foot switch.

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I haven't tried it in handgun loads because of lack of published data but I switched from Unique to 20/28 for shotshells because it burns so much cleaner. My rule of thumb is dippers are OK for low velocity plinking loads with cast, swedged or plated bullets but weigh each charge when using jacketed projectiles.

You lost me there.

"Lack of published data"? For what cartridge?

I thought there was published data using Unique for loading pretty much every handgun cartridge in existence and a recipe for just about every bullet type and weight you can think of. There is more published pistol data for Unique than there is for any other powder I am aware of.

I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say.