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08-30-2018, 11:30 AM
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Herters 44 mag cases
i bought a box from Cabela's shot them up just fine. After I deprimed and tumbled them clean they are about impossible to put new primers in. All the other head stamp cases I have are no problem at all. Has anyone else had this problem with the Hertz cases?
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Herters at Cabelas is typically just Sellier & Bellot ammo rebranded.
I've never reloaded any of their 44 Mag cases though.
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If you have a case chamfering tool, try using the inside chamferring side of the tool on the mouth of the primer pocket. I've never loaded S&B 44 brass but have loaded their 9MM and 357 Mag brass and I've found that the pocket edge on the S&B brass to be on the sharp side. Taking a few swipes at the primer pocket with my chamferring tool makes for a little more rounded edge which lets primers start much easier.
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I have found the S&B cases to have very little if any chamfer on the primer pocket mouth and a bit tighter than other brass. I normally just chamfer the pocket mouth, just like I would to remove a military crimp, and that helps seating quite a bit...
I have found Herter's brass that normally use large primers to be made for small primers (I have a 45 Colt case w/Herters headstamp and a small primer pocket here on my desk). Not sure which calibers as I don't purchase factory ammo any more...
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I have some range pickup S&B .45 ACP cases. Same story. Very tight primer pockets. Guess that is the reason someone left them at the range. I trashed them after almost flattening the primer trying to get them to get them to seat flush.
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08-30-2018, 06:29 PM
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.38 and .45 S&B brass is notorious for being difficult to prime. I don't like it much for that reason.
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Darn, I hope their 10mm brass isn't that way.
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I have some range pickup S&B .45 ACP cases. Same story. Very tight primer pockets. Guess that is the reason someone left them at the range. I trashed them after almost flattening the primer trying to get them to get them to seat flush.
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You can reload them with small pistol primers. Save them for the times you can't get large pistol primers , they will keep you going during primer shortages .
Ream and uniform the primer pockets and they will be just fine.
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Thank you all for your suggestions I will try some of your guy's tricks. If I have to I have a scrap bag I can toss them into. Not going to buy those again LOL
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I use the Lee hand primer. With S&B brass, I usually have to wiggle the case around a little to get the primer centered in the primer pocket before I apply much pressure. Even then, somewhat more than the normal amount of thumb force is required to seat the primer.
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All my new brass gets the edge burrs removed from the inside of the case mouth, then the primer pocket mouth edge chamfered using a chamfering tool. That seems to smooth things out.
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All my new brass gets the edge burrs removed from the inside of the case mouth, then the primer pocket mouth edge chamfered using a chamfering tool. That seems to smooth things out.
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Yep, agree. It's no big deal to lightly chamfer a case mouth and/or a primer pocket mouth and normally only needs to be done once. Just the other day I had some brand new Starline brass that had fairly sharp case mouths, so I put a countersink in my drill and lightly chamfered the case mouth and while I was at it I chamfered some primer pocket mouths, just a few thousandths, that were a bit tight. No big deal mainly because I am not a "production" reloader and a few seconds of prep is fine with me...
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Yep, agree. It's no big deal to lightly chamfer a case mouth and/or a primer pocket mouth and normally only needs to be done once. Just the other day I had some brand new Starline brass that had fairly sharp case mouths, so I put a countersink in my drill and lightly chamfered the case mouth and while I was at it I chamfered some primer pocket mouths, just a few thousandths, that were a bit tight. No big deal mainly because I am not a "production" reloader and a few seconds of prep is fine with me...
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Ditto - both with S&B and new Starline have experienced hard to prime with a Lee Autoprime. Definitely S&B needs very small chamfer. The new Starline after it was fired once was easier second priming but did not need chambering from new. as a BTW - *-* is 455 and it will be interesting to see how many reloadings it will do as I only load light loads for all my 455s so will be keeping a close eye on this new brass.
Keep all this good info coming:-)
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I have Herters brass from 60s, bought as brass. Good stuff. I
have 222, 303 Brit, 44mg and 30/06. This new stuff is not up
to standards of old Herter Co.
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Have had more problems with Herter and Amerc brass than any other brands.
Both go straight to the scrap bucket as they are more problems than they are worth.
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I put a uniflute in my drill and then swagged it a bit. I have them all primed. thanks again for the suggestions
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Darn, I hope their 10mm brass isn't that way.
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It is. We found out that sorting out Herter's and S&B brass is a critical step in the reloading process. Tight primer pockets, too small???, is a real issue.
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I normally discard any S&B brass I happen to pick up. It isn't worth the effort to fight them.
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I normally discard any S&B brass I happen to pick up. It isn't worth the effort to fight them.
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If you bevel the mouth of the primer pocket with a chamfering tool, they load well. The primer pocket is a bit tight also, but after you reload it the first time they open up a hair and from then on they are no problem to reprime. I've found that S&B brass actually holds up very well under many reloads too.
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I normally discard any S&B brass I happen to pick up. It isn't worth the effort to fight them.
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They are my favorite brass because of the tight primer pocket.
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A countersink bit on a drill works wonders.
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If you bevel the mouth of the primer pocket with a chamfering tool, they load well. The primer pocket is a bit tight also, but after you reload it the first time they open up a hair and from then on they are no problem to reprime. I've found that S&B brass actually holds up very well under many reloads too.
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Ditto. I was skeptical about S&B brass when I first acquired some but after giving them a "chamfer treatment" I like them.
And for some reason their primer pockets clean up great (I tumble de-primed) & look cleaner/shinier than most others afterwards. I am pleasantly surprised with them.
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