I attempted to use the search feature, but I was having difficulty.

A few months ago I read a thread on the forum about polymer coating cast bullets. In that thread, a few forum members were identified that sold polymer coating powder. Unfortunately, I can't find that thread again. Can anyone point me to members that well polymer powder?

Thanks!

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Search user Smoke4320. That's a user name from another forum. Not sure the rules here will allow me to list that forum, but I think you might know what forum that is ;-p
His powder is amazing. I just tumble my boolits(hint, see above) and even on the most humid days in the summer it sticks like a mad dog. Great stuff and reasonable prices.

Missouri Bullets sells the Hi TeK Polymer powder which is what is used by all the bullet companies.


Not to be confused with powder coated paint , which can be found at Harbor Freight and a gazillion other places.

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Well sort of. No not ALL the bullet companies use HT, some have a powder coat type process, not HT.

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I buy my powder coating media from Eastwood Specialty Coatings. I use their Ford light blue it works well.

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The OP was asking about POLYMER COATING

All the companies that sell POLYMER COATED bullets use the HI TEK brand coating.


What companies sell Powder Coated bullets??


Hope that clears things up.

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I use a powdercoat sold by "smoke" on the cast boolits forum. I couldn't ask for it to work better, the thing that turned me off about hi tek was the need for multiple coats.

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I originally read about this in a reloading magazine. The author used Harbor Freight's Red Powder Coat Paint. I went and bought some and by golly it works well. A friend has the same results in his coating endeavors. If I remember correctly it was about $6.00 for a container that lasts and lasts.

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Here is a link to the replies I received in a thread about Powder Coating recently. I think the info you are looking for is here.

Your choice for coated bullets?

Actually read his post, he is asking about powder used in powder coating. There are several if not a dozen, bullet manuf using piwder coatings. Just google it for yourself.
Smoke's powders over on castboolit forum are terrific. Powders from other powder coat suppliers also work. Stay away from matt colors unless you are spraying them.

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Well, actually read his post and the use of the word POLYMER


But everything is a debate.


From the Hi Tek website.



"Not to be confused with "POWDER COATING". Hi-Tek Supercoat is now available in a powdered version. The same product as our popular liquid coating, the powder is non flammable in it's dry state and therefore we can ship via the USPS priority mail service.
All of our Hi-Tek powders are built with the latest generation resin and have the 2-Extreme Catayst built in. You simply measure out the amount of powder you need and add Acetone or M.E.K. to turn it into a liquid and apply it the same way as our liquid coating."

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Powder coatings have diff configurations Rule. Not a debate but fact, not all bullet manuf use HT. hopefully this clears it up.

"There are two main categories of powder coating: thermosets and thermoplastics. The thermosetting variety incorporates a cross-linker into the formulation. When the powder is baked, it reacts with other chemical groups in the powder to polymerize, improving the performance properties. The thermoplastic variety does not undergo any additional actions during the baking process as it flows to form the final coating".

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Sure it is a debate. You quote Burton Metal Finishing and Powder coating, not Polymer Coating. Which sounds great but how does that relate to BULLETS?


You forgot to quote this part.


Powder coating is a process that utilizes an electrostatic gun to apply a solvent-free dry mix of plastic resins, pigments, and fillers that melt and fuse when heated. What does this mean in laymen’s terms? It means powder coating provides you with a quality finish that will last. Considering powder coating but still don’t see the benefits? Here we’ve provided a few simple facts about the powder coating process and why it is the superior method for you to achieve a beautiful, durable finish.


Again, what companies sell "powder coated BULLETS"?? Not the actual powder


Do those powders uses a solvent??

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You are debating a process you are ignorant of, why? Many of us have been using PC for bullet coating w/o spraying. I can punch up a list of bullet manuf NOT using HT but offering polymer, there are polymer based PC. I find it far more educational for people to do their own research, it sticks in the brain that way. I am all for a good debate, but know your stuff before posting absolutes. I actually use both HT & PC for my bullets. They work about the same, but HT starts to fail as vel goes beyond 1500fps, then PC is a better product. Just a few though, you can research more:
About Us
Premium Polymer Coated Bullets | Badman Bullets
J-Ames BULLETS: Polymer Coated Bullets - Manufacturer/Dealer/Seller
What is the Precision Bullet coating? - precisionbullets.com
Frequently Asked Questions - Eggleston Munitions
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...-hand-loaders/
https://www.falconbullets.com/category_s/1858.htm
To answer the question on solvents, NO, PC is a dry powder, baked onto the bullet just like HT. The diff is HT does use a catalyst & solvent suspension. Nothing to do with anything other than process. Both can be a polymer.

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"You are debating a process you are ignorant of, why?"

Pretty strong, inflammatory words there.,

So with that carry on quoting info from some powder coating company.


Have you provided the OP with a place to buy Polymer Coating??


HT comes in a liquid and a powder.


You refuse to read the OP. He asks about Polymer coating.


All the websites you linked use a Polymer coating (proprietary of course and don't say actually what brand it is)


It simply is NOT Powder Coated Electrostatic Paint.


I use my own home baked Powder Coated Paint bullets.

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I do not know what else to say Rule, you are ignoring simple facts placed before you. Your statement that ALL bullet manuf use HT has been pretty easily disputed. One can source every single powder coat supplier & buy whatever formula they like. You can also buy HT form several sources powder or liquid. Just accept that your statement was incorrect, simple I know. Have a good one.

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Jerry Miculeks brother Donnie, is the owner of bayoubullets.net, and sells bullets or the coating for you to apply; that says enough for me as to which coating is 'best'

Oh so now we ignore everything else and focus on my use of the word "all" Never mind all the other stuff.
Resort to name calling to deflect the whole topic.

How do you know what the other companies use? What brand? Do you really think that Bubba Joes Bullets has their own secret formula of Polymer coating??. They went through the R&D to develop their own coating rather than use a product that gas been around for over 20 years?

None of the web sites you listed say exactly what they use?


Guess I should have said "most", then you could pick on that "nit" Never say never, all or always, my bad.

Regardless the questions was Polymer not Powder coating.
But I am ignorant you are the expert, I just use Harbor Freight Powder and shake and bake,

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True, but I believe they sold the business.
ACME use Hi Tek also


Better check with Fred.

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The title of the thread is "Powder Coat Supplier".

I'm guessing OP was confused and considered them to be the same thing. Personally I believe powder coat to be easier and better for the home but I could be wrong. Most commercial bullets are Hi-Tek or something similar. Most people making their own use powder coat.

I'm guessing the OP was looking for a powder coat supplier as the title of the thread suggests but used the wrong terminology in the post.

Sheesh!

OK, so I go to HF and buy their red powder. Then put it in a container with bullets and shake them around and then bake them? Don't they lose their coating when you pick them up and place them on the pan? How are they placed? All base down? They don't get stuck to the pan and lose they coating in that area when pried loose? Run them through the sizer after baking? Or before the powder process? Or coat and use as dropped from the mold? I think I have some old white and black powder. That won't work?

I am so sorry for triggering a debate between members. Obviously, I did get confused between powder coating and polymer coating.

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No just some are confused by the term. There are polymer powder coatings. There are chemical polymer coatings. Slightly diff process between the two but they both require baking.
I was just trying to correct the inaccurate statement that ALL bullet manuf use HT, which is a diff type of ply than some powder coatings. Both apply thru baking, PC can be sprayed on or dry tumbled. HT is a wet tumble process.

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The only HF powder that most can get to shake & bake is the Red. It is pretty poor quality but a cheap start point. My method:
I shake in a #5 plastic container with airsoft bb for about 30sec, HF red will take up to 1m. Then you can either pluck them out with tweezers or forceps or some use nytrel gloved fingers. You can also strain them thru a wire basket & dump them out but they will stick together on baking unless separated.
I use large tweezers & plastic ammo trays for jigs & just drop them in nose first, invert the tray into a non stick paper/foil or me, I use wire drawer baskets. Then into a preheated 400deg oven for 14-15m. Then out of the oven & air cool or they can be water dropped for a tiny bump in bullet hardness. Then size as you like, properly applied the coating will not come off. There is an entire section devoted to this on castboolit forum.

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Missouri has the Hy Tek coating which I like. I have an undeserved bad opinion of powder coat at its earlier stage.

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Probably improperly applied. HT will also fail if directions are not followed.

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FWIW:
The HY-TEC coating is a polyurethane based product that is wet/liquid that uses a catalyst and heat to make a coated bullet.


The dry powder that uses static to cling to the bullets then heat to melt the dry powder is polyester based. I use smokes powders from over on castboolits.com. A quick search will show different sellers for either product. They sell it on amazon, e-bay, ETC. Eastwood is an excellent powder, you want to use a high quality powder. The extra $$$ you spend is well worth it and #1 of powder goes a long way. I did over 10,000+ bullets (30cal, 35cal, 44cal, 45cal) with #1 of smoke's powder. I also put my pc powder on heavy/thick, 2/1000th's + is a good thing. The end result is a even coating on the bullets.

FWIW:


There is Hy Tech coating which is POWDER COATING

then there is


HI TEK which is a polymer (catalyst and solvent) that comes in Liquid and POWDER (same stuff)


Not to be confused with "POWDER COATING". Hi-Tek Supercoat is now available in a powdered version. The same product as our popular liquid coating, the powder is non flammable in it's dry state and therefore we can ship via the USPS priority mail service.
All of our Hi-Tek powders are built with the latest generation resin and have the 2-Extreme Catayst built in. You simply measure out the amount of powder you need and add Acetone or M.E.K. to turn it into a liquid and apply it the same way as our liquid coating.

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Nope just pointing out you were incorrect. I do not care what any bullet manuf uses, but they say it is polymer, then I have no reason to doubt them. If it were HT, the good rep HT has, they would likely just say that, not claim their own. And what do you think Federal uses for their bullets?? Certainly it is NOT HT by reviewing bullet tests. Just trying to keep it honest Rule. There are poly powders that are used in bullet manuf that are NOT a HT product.

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Yep I think you established that point and failed on the others. You have not listed a company that sells Powder coated (paint) and assume companies that use a Polymer have their own formula, perhaps they do but you can not verify it,

Hi-Performance Bullet Coatings is bringinging cast bullets into the 21st century. The Hi-Tek Heat Set Supercoat was developed specifically for commercial bullet casters to provode reloaders with a cast bullet that didn't smoke and gum up reloading dies like a traditional wax lubed bullet. Properly applied the coating molecularly bonds to the lead, encasing the entire projectile in a protective shell that is self-lubricating. This proprietary coating contains no PTFE or Moly.

Notice the word proprietary

So Bubbas Bollets can just say that and it sounds really impressive,


I used the word "all" and I am "ignorant"
Continue on your quest of perfection.

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Rule3, fredj338 and the others who have been having an argument over definitions, why don't you all take your disagreements to PM perhaps instead of crapping all over lrrifleman's thread. You all remind me of a bunch of kids arguing which slinky is better, the steel or the plastic one. There is some good info in the thread but it's hard to find with all the bickering.

lrrifleman, I've only used the Hi Tek coated bullets myself and have had good luck with the Bayou Bullets and Missouri Bullets offerings. I have not tried the powder coated bullets as I haven't found a retailer of them, but wouldn't mind giving them a try either. They seem to be a more home grown thing to me, and I don't cast my own or have the time and money to invest in getting started. But if I could find an online retailer of the powder coated bullets I would definitely give them a try, as they sound even better to me than the Hi Tek coated bullets, more resistant to leading issues. I have run into leading problems with the SNS Hi Tek coated bullets in the past and don't buy from them any more.

Thx for that muddy

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Now that's funny There are PLASTIC Slinky's??


Gads when did they come out? How about original metal Lawn Darts?


Lets discuss the best press, powder, saving money reloading and best method to clean brass instead.

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1. Yes
2. No, use surgical gloves or tweezers (I use stamp tongs-a type of tweezer that stamp collectors use.
3. Base down
4. line pan with non-stick tin foil.
5. Up to you to size before or after. I size after.
6. Not sure would have to try it. I have only used powder coat from Harbor Freight.

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I use Smokes powder and I tumble them in a plastic container. Just the bullets and powder. I sift them in a flour sifter to separate the bullets from loose powder. I dump them on a baking sheet with no stick tinfoil. I just shake them on the foil so they're not piled on top each other. I don't bother touching them or setting them on their bases, just bake as is and they come out great. They only thing you have to do if you choose this method is the separate them out of the oven so they don't stick together. I just wear leather gloves to keep from being burned. I size them after baking and so long as you're not sizing them down a bunch, the coating will hold up just fine thru the sizer. I've managed to recover some of my bullets from the berm at my club( .38, .357,. 45 colt) and the coating looks great...stays on with the rifling grooves, etc..

There is at least a Gazillion videos and posts on forums about the whole procedure.


Not sure of that exact number, but I am sure someone will count them all and correct me.


Google search:



Videos:
About 8,170 results (0.25 seconds)

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Well that should keep me busy for awhile!