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Old 10-15-2018, 09:24 PM
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I will be getting started with reloading in the very near future. I will be reloading .38's mostly . I have always wanted a 1911 in .45 but since I like to shoot a lot the cost of factory ammo has always held me back. For those of you who reload this caliber how much on average is it costing you per round ?
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If you count your brass cost as zero I find you can reload for roughly 50% of the cost of purchasing new. It used to be an even better figure but costs of reloading components have gone up, like everything else. If you shoot lead it might be better than that, if you shoot jacketed bullets a little bit less. If you don't push the velocity you can keep using the brass until the head stamp is almost unreadable.
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My per unit cost break-down for reloading 45acp:

Brass - free - all range pick-ups

Powder - 1.5 cents per throw

Primers - 3.5 cents apiece

Projectiles - 230 grain plated RN - 11.7 cents apiece

So, about 16.7 cents per round or $8.35 per box of 50.

Of course, not including the cost of equipment. For me, reloading is an enjoyable past time/hobby, so the cost of personal labor is not factored in.

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"Of course, not including the cost of equipment. For me, reloading is an enjoyable past time/hobby, so the cost of personal labor is not factored in."

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FWIW, the cost difference between for the most expensive rounds and the least expensive rounds I reload is around a nickel. I reload .380, 9mm, 38spl, 357mag, 44spl, 44mag, 45cp & 45 Colt. The .380/9mm rounds are about a dime apiece to reload, and the 44 mags are about fifteen cents. The biggest difference is the cost of the bullets. Calibers starting with a 3 are about a nickel each, those starting with a 4 are more like a dime apiece. I shoot mostly lead and plated.
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Greetings. There are so many variables involved in initially getting started that you should do a lot of basic research into this rewarding but potentially hazardous hobby. I started out with a new "blue press" manual indexing, 4 stage, deprime/reprimer station, powder/chamfering station, bullet seating station, crimp station, finished round hopper. Lots of places to make mistakes and you will miss something, sometime. However, this press can be used as a single station press which allows you to assemble an individual round step by step.
Actually I'm going to stop now as I don't want to un-intentionally mis-inform or forget a critical step.
It can be a very rewarding hobby but you need to match your needs with what would be the best equipment for what you want to spend.
Good luck to you and keep asking questions.

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My costs are very similar to Bayou52, except that I load 230 grain FMJ Zero bullets and the cost for those are 12.3 cents/round, ordering in 2k quantities. I also figure around 2-3 cents per round for powder, depending on which powder I am loading with.
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Greetings. There are so many variables involved in initially getting started that you should do a lot of basic research into this rewarding but potentially hazardous hobby.
I don't consider reloading hazardous in the least, unless you're type who reloads with a lit cigarette hanging out of your mouth.

Things one does on a daily basis are more hazardous, driving, taking a shower . . . Heck, Elvis croaked just taking a dump.

Stupid is as stupid does, and if you want to get stupid when reloading, then certainly you can win the stupid prize.
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That was eloquently stated. I never have smoked so we can rule that out. No distractions at all. I have a nice room that I built with properly grounded power(NEC compliant). Lots of lighting from various directions that greatly reduces shadows.
But, enough about me. You contend that there is no potential for harm unless, obviously, you're stupid. Ever miss a powder charge and stick a bullet in the lands? Next round fired blows up the gun and they'll cak you lefty. How about a double charge.SSDD. Wrong powder? Nah, doesn't happen. Gun Shop regular tells you a load that is smokin' hot and over limit.
Yeah, I guess you're right. How did I ever survive the whole experience?
It's uncalled for comments like yours that make people shy away from fear of being called "stupid".
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Missouri Bullet 200-grain LSWC: $0.09/round with shipping
Primer: We'll just call it $0.03, ordering in 5k quantities for free ship or hazmat
Powder: $0.01/round

$0.13 a round, or $6.63/box. Plenty accurate a cartridge unless you care about an inch at 50 yards.

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OP...I believe you'll find reloading a very rewarding past time. It does have inherent hazards (as pointed out by Hobie11) but reading several current manual's "How To" sections should help you avoid these pitfalls.
Attached is an Excel worksheet which can be tailored to your needs and will breakdown the costs for you. It's in a zip file and very easy to use and customize. Even prints ammo box labels for you.

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Reloading can be very rewarding in savings and ammo quality. 45 acp's run me about $8 a box of 50. You can load 9mm for under $6, 38s, 357s and 40s a little more. That cost calculator is a good one.
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That was eloquently stated. I never have smoked so we can rule that out. No distractions at all. I have a nice room that I built with properly grounded power(NEC compliant). Lots of lighting from various directions that greatly reduces shadows...
Well maybe you shouldn't have bothered to post again. In all my years of posting I have never felt the need to call someone stupid nor tell them to do anatomically incorrect things to themselves.

I inferred that "reloading" is not inherently dangerous. "Shooting" ammo that is carelessly reloaded certainly can be. But that does not make reloading itself dangerous. Saying reloading is dangerous is akin to saying guns are dangerous. Neither are, but people can be.

Short of two dud primers since I began reloading in the mid-'70s, I haven't had a failure of any manner in my reloaded ammo. Not one squib, not one overload or kaboom, nothing. My experience speaks for itself that reloading is not
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If you have departed as you stated, then I see no need to report your post.

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My methods are a bit on the extreme side, but I shoot into a barrel full of rubber mulch and harvest the lead for remelting, a time consuming process. Then I melt into ingots, then cast new bullets, lube them with homemade lube, all of which takes time. But the final reward for all that extra effort and recycling is the monetary cost of my 45 ACP shooting has been around 4 to 5 cents a loaded round. All the extra labor means that major cost savings can be had, and I can shoot my Model 29 cheaper than most people load 9mm Luger. I put a few thousand rounds through my Model 22-4 for the cost of around $130 (and a lot of time).
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Time is, for the most part, where the savings of reloading comes in. I doubt any reloader pays less for powder than Remington, Federal, or the likes. Now those folks buy in bulk! Some feel their time is to valuable and will not bother to reload. Others, like me, have all the time in the world in that aspect and reload because we enjoy reloading.
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TargetSportsUSA sells 45 ACP hardball at 27 cents in bulk.
I figure 19 cents for myself or save about $4 a box by reloading.
As as handloading being hazardous, see the thumbnail. There went all the money I saved......
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Well maybe you shouldn't have bothered to post again. In all my years of posting I have never felt the need to call someone stupid nor tell them to do anatomically incorrect things to themselves.

I inferred that "reloading" is not inherently dangerous. "Shooting" ammo that is carelessly reloaded certainly can be. But that does not make reloading itself dangerous. Saying reloading is dangerous is akin to saying guns are dangerous. Neither are, but people can be.

Short of two dud primers since I began reloading in the mid-'70s, I haven't had a failure of any manner in my reloaded ammo. Not one squib, not one overload or kaboom, nothing. My experience speaks for itself that reloading is not
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If you have departed as you stated, then I see no need to report your post.
For what it is worth SMSgt, your original post in this thread did come across pretty condescending. The statement that reloading is only hazardous if you're stupid, implies that anyone who sees reloading as hazardous is stupid. Realistically, saying reloading isn't hazardous but shooting reloads can be comes across as semantic games.

It is implicitly understood that whenever MOST of us refer to reloading we are also referring to shooting those reloads. If you aren't going to shoot them then what would be the point of reloading them? And if there are hazards associated with shooting reloads - due to the potential for mere mortals (like most of us) to make mistakes when reloading - then that pretty much qualifies as a hazard associated with reloading.

Ever heard of a primer getting sideways and going off inside the primer tube? I have. I've also heard of them setting off a chain-fire of primers - and destroying the primer storage portion of a press. Seen a couple of threads about that here on this very sight in the last 5 years. Think the shrapnel from something like that might be hazardous? Heck, mashing a finger in the press even qualifies as hazardous. There are lots of things in the process of reloading that could be considered at least mildly hazardous.

I understand that your track record up to this point has been perfect. I applaud you. However, not everyone is so infallible, and plenty of people who are NOT stupid have made mistakes when reloading - resulting in hazardous situations. I haven't had that experience myself, but I'm not going to delude myself into believing that it isn't possible just because I'm so smart.

Even if I believed that was the case I probably wouldn't be arrogant enough to say so out loud - in front of God & everybody.


Just one person's perspective.

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Cost is all about the bullet. Any powder, any primer, about 4c each, buying in bulk of course. Bullets, lead, coated, plated & jacketed in that order for cost. Coated 45, total cost about 13c each loaded round.
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For what it is worth SMSgt, your original post in this thread did come across pretty condescending. The statement that reloading is only hazardous if you're stupid, implies that anyone who sees reloading as hazardous is stupid. Realistically, saying reloading isn't hazardous but shooting reloads can be comes across as semantic games.

It is implicitly understood that whenever MOST of us refer to reloading we are also referring to shooting those reloads. If you aren't going to shoot them then what would be the point of reloading them? And if there are hazards associated with shooting reloads - due to the potential for mere mortals (like most of us) to make mistakes when reloading - then that pretty much qualifies as a hazard associated with reloading.

Ever heard of a primer getting sideways and going off inside the primer tube? I have. I've also heard of them setting off a chain-fire of primers - and destroying the primer storage portion of a press. Seen a couple of threads about that here on this very sight in the last 5 years. Think the shrapnel from something like that might be hazardous? Heck, mashing a finger in the press even qualifies as hazardous. There are lots of things in the process of reloading that could be considered at least mildly hazardous.

I understand that your track record up to this point has been perfect. I applaud you. However, not everyone is so infallible, and plenty of people who are NOT stupid have made mistakes when reloading - resulting in hazardous situations. I haven't had that experience myself, but I'm not going to delude myself into believing that it isn't possible just because I'm so smart.

Even if I believed that was the case I probably wouldn't be arrogant enough to say so out loud - in front of God & everybody.


Just one person's perspective.



Yep, just YOUR perspective.


Guess it is all is how someone interrupts a post on the internet.
Maybe it is like Twitter or something, and some Millennial left their safe place and was offended over nothing.??
Nowhere did I read SMSgt post as condescending towards anyone and not calling anyone stupid??


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Greetings. There are so many variables involved in initially getting started that you should do a lot of basic research into this rewarding but potentially hazardous hobby. I started out with a new "blue press" manual indexing, 4 stage, deprime/reprimer station, powder/chamfering station, bullet seating station, crimp station, finished round hopper. Lots of places to make mistakes and you will miss something, sometime. However, this press can be used as a single station press which allows you to assemble an individual round step by step.
Actually I'm going to stop now as I don't want to un-intentionally mis-inform or forget a critical step.
It can be a very rewarding hobby but you need to match your needs with what would be the best equipment for what you want to spend.
Good luck to you and keep asking questions.

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One can do stupid things without being stupid. BTDT. There are a lot more hazardous things done regularly than reloading. Implying reloading is hazardous is not the way to entice people interested in reloading. It makes it sound like one is making sensitive landmine or something. Clearly reloading is safe as many reload daily, but with anything, things can go wrong if one is careless.
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I find reloading more enjoyable than emptying, there are times I force myself to go shooting so I have something to reload. I don't save much reloading I just shoot more for the same amount of money.
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Yep, just YOUR perspective.
Well, obviously not JUST my perspective since at least one other person took it the same way, and a couple of more have "liked" my post.

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Maybe it is like Twitter or something, and some Millennial left their safe place and was offended over nothing.??
Nowhere did I read SMSgt post as condescending towards anyone and not calling anyone stupid??


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Cost is all about the bullet. Any powder, any primer, about 4c each, buying in bulk of course. Bullets, lead, coated, plated & jacketed in that order for cost. Coated 45, total cost about 13c each loaded round.
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Mitigate the cost of the bullets & it gets cheap to reload real quick. Even if you don't cast your own bullets, free/cheap lead will get you all the free bullets you can handle.
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I'm new to reloading and keep a log of how much each caliber is costing per round, along with the # of rounds loaded, just to see when the equipment cost will be paid back. My 45ACP cost is exactly 15.4c per round.

I got a good laugh when I read the "hazardous" comment. I find it much more hazardous just driving to the range.

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I'm new to reloading and keep a log of how much each caliber is costing per round, along with the # of rounds loaded, just to see when the equipment cost will be paid back. My 45ACP cost is exactly 15.4c per round.

I got a good laugh when I read the "hazardous" comment. I find it much more hazardous just driving to the range.
Yeah, like shooting at an indoor public range with street dummies isn't hazardous??
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I detest empty cases. When I shoot, I have empty cases. When I have empty cases, I feel compelled to reload them. When I have reloaded cases, I feel compelled to shoot them. When I have empty cases . . .

It's a vicious circle of life.
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"Stupid is as stupid does" is a phrase that is generally used to say that someone did something stupid because, well, they ARE stupid.
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For the record, Hobie 11 and I have settled our differences. I used less than clear wording; he misunderstood my intent. We're good.

That discussion is over . . . Carry on!
Thanks for the update. Glad there are no hard feelings on any side of the discussion.

As we all know, in a text format like this, so much of the communication cues we all rely on are missing. Without inflection, tone, facial expression, or body language to clarify intent, what one says, and what another perceives to have been said are often two entirely different things.
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Reloading doesn't really save me any money. Sure I can reload 45 for $7 /box but that just provides justification and cash to buy more 1911's....38's are even worse
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You won't save money,....you'll just shoot a lot more
I always hear people say that, but for me the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Since I can reload everything but 9mm for about 1/3 the price of factory ammo, I can shoot two boxes of reloads and still save about 1/3 of what I would have spent shooting one box of factory ammo.

With 9mm I just get to shoot twice as much for the same amount of money. Or shoot the same amount and save half.

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The only drawback from Auto form revolvers, is............

you have to chase down your brass or buy new cases.


My outdoor range does not let you pick up any brass that hits the "Deck".
Some indoor ranges let you sweep up "your area". So free"Range brass"
can be a challenge in some areas.

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The only drawback from Auto form revolvers, is............

you have to chase down your brass or buy new cases.


My outdoor range does not let you pick up any brass that hits the "Deck".
Some indoor ranges let you sweep up "your area". So free"Range brass"
can be a challenge in some areas.

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So if you drop your gun, they get to keep it? My brass is mine unless I give it away or sell it. That range policy is just taking what is not theirs.
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The only drawback from Auto form revolvers, is............

you have to chase down your brass or buy new cases.


My outdoor range does not let you pick up any brass that hits the "Deck".
Some indoor ranges let you sweep up "your area". So free"Range brass"
can be a challenge in some areas.

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Sounds like a bs policy. I would find someplace else to shoot
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Reloading is only hazardous if you don’t pay attention. While nobody is perfect, unless I change my technique, and I don’t intend to, I will never have a problem. I load on a single stage press and weight every charge. No chance of a light or heavy charge. I load in batches of 50 so I never get fatigued.
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You contend that there is no potential for harm unless, obviously, you're stupid. Ever miss a powder charge and stick a bullet in the lands? Next round fired blows up the gun and they'll cak you lefty. How about a double charge.SSDD. Wrong powder? Nah, doesn't happen. Gun Shop regular tells you a load that is smokin' hot and over limit.
Yeah, I guess you're right. How did I ever survive the whole experience?
Maybe careless is a better word than stupid, but I've never done any of those things in 35 years of reloading, so I don't consider it a risky proposition. But I will say, if you take the recommendation of a "gun shop regular" without doing the due diligence of cross-checking that load in a reputable reloading manual, you are in fact stupid with a capital S.

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You won't save money,....you'll just shoot a lot more
This gets tossed out all the time & is just wrong. Yes you save per round, every round over factory. Whether you shoot more or less will depend on other factors besides cost. I have to drive an hour each way to shoot. That has more influence than ammo cost.
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The only drawback from Auto form revolvers, is............

you have to chase down your brass or buy new cases.


My outdoor range does not let you pick up any brass that hits the "Deck".
Some indoor ranges let you sweep up "your area". So free"Range brass"
can be a challenge in some areas.

Just a heads up.
Yeah find another range. My brass, my property, it gets picked up. I could care less about the range policy. If they kick me out, fine too, I wouldn't want to pay for the privilege of leaving my brass on their floor.r
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The only drawback from Auto form revolvers, is............

you have to chase down your brass or buy new cases.


My outdoor range does not let you pick up any brass that hits the "Deck".
Some indoor ranges let you sweep up "your area". So free"Range brass"
can be a challenge in some areas.

Just a heads up.
I'll agree getting range brass is becoming more of a challenge, but I would dare some range officer tell me I can't retrieve my own brass. I'd be filing a criminal thief complaint 5 minutes later. Leftover brass isn't theirs until it is donated by the shooter and dumped into the ranges brass barrel.
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Others have chimed in pretty much on current costs. I am lucky enough to have zero cost of brass, other than the cleaning process. With using what I have on hand in the way of compoents my current cost is about $3.50 a box of fifty. Makes it a no brainer for me. You can be sure even cost of reloading is going to go up for new reloaders or those who didnt prepare for the up-coming. Still, there are still sales for online sellers unless you live in a blue state.
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This gets tossed out all the time & is just wrong.
Not if you complete the phrase... Compared to factory, you won't save money, you'll just shoot more for the same cost.
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Not if you complete the phrase... Compared to factory, you won't save money, you'll just shoot more for the same cost.
No, you MIGHT shoot more. I shoot less now than I did about 25y ago, so your ammo cost, per round is ALWAYS less, much less. It's an oft used saying that just isn't always true. We wont even go into the cost of handloads using bullets you make yourself. Stupid cheap shooting, but yes you spend more time making the ammo that way.
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Not if you complete the phrase... Compared to factory, you won't save money, you'll just shoot more for the same cost.
Even when you complete the phrase the way you did, it still isn't universally true, and the two are not mutually exclusive.

As I stated/explained in post #32 above. Because I reload I shoot more rounds and still spend less money for ammo.
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I used to shoot more but shoot less now. Either way, each reload I shoot costs less than a commercial round. So yes, one can save money reloading. One can also shoot more for the same dollar amount, if one chooses to shoot more.
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Reloading, unless you have to buy cases every time you reload, is going to be less expensive than buying factory new or commercially reloaded ammo. With the 45 ACP, you can really save some money by reloading with cast lead or powder coated lead bullets.

Have I saved money by reloading? Most definitely and that allowed my to shoot a whole lot more than if I had bought factory ammo.

As for range policies on brass, I have had the misfortune of shooting at a couple of ranges that had such policies. One range even had containers into which you had to dump your revolver brass! Another range forbade the use of steel cased ammo. Why? Because some ranges sell the brass, either for scrap value or to commercial reloaders or possibly to private reloaders. It's an additional revenue stream for the range.
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Reloading, unless you have to buy cases every time you reload, is going to be less expensive than buying factory new or commercially reloaded ammo. With the 45 ACP, you can really save some money by reloading with cast lead or powder coated lead bullets.

Have I saved money by reloading? Most definitely and that allowed my to shoot a whole lot more than if I had bought factory ammo.

As for range policies on brass, I have had the misfortune of shooting at a couple of ranges that had such policies. One range even had containers into which you had to dump your revolver brass! Another range forbade the use of steel cased ammo. Why? Because some ranges sell the brass, either for scrap value or to commercial reloaders or possibly to private reloaders. It's an additional revenue stream for the range.
The commercial ranges that I have shot at in my area, allow shooters to pick up their own brass. They get plenty of brass left behind by non-reloaders. They don't allow steel cased ammo, but they say that it is because the coating on the steel cases clog up the air filters. They allow aluminum cased ammo, so I suspect their reasons are valid.
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I will be getting started with reloading in the very near future. I will be reloading .38's mostly . I have always wanted a 1911 in .45 but since I like to shoot a lot the cost of factory ammo has always held me back. For those of you who reload this caliber how much on average is it costing you per round ?
I have been loading .45ACP for over 50 years.
Primers are 3 cents each.
Powder is 1 cent for my target loads of 3.5 gr each.
I buy lead for $1/pound for 185 gr. target SWC so each bullet costs 2.7 cents each.
Brass is accumulated over the years and at my club there is more .45ACP brass in the barrel than you can shake a stick at.
So before accounting for equipment depreciation I'm at 6.7 cents per round.
My equipment has loaded 10's of thousands of rounds (target shooter) so it's hard to determine the depreciation along with the fact it's a hobby, so how do you put a price on that stuff?
6.7x50=$3.35/box of 50.

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