Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-01-2020, 08:28 AM
Rangerone Rangerone is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Liked 63 Times in 19 Posts
Default Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?

Has anyone ever seen these before? I am guessing they are used during the bullet manufacturing process?

I ended up with boxes of old reloading components from a woman who used to work for me, her father had died many years ago and he had quite a bit of reloading components and bullet casting supplies. Among the bullets were five boxes of these "calibration components" from the Frankford Arsenal. I did a bit of research online but I found nothing, not even an image.

When I measured the OD, all of them are under .450, but this was just with my vernier, I did not break out the micrometer to go to four places but I am assuming that the label is correct so none of these would be useful for reloading.

If they have no value to a collector, I may just throw them in the lead pot the next time I cast and melt the lead out of them and send the jackets to recycling…
Attached Thumbnails
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?-img_8262-edited-jpg   Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?-img_8264-edited-jpg  
__________________
Benefactor Member, NRA
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 02-01-2020, 08:56 AM
Lee Barner's Avatar
Lee Barner Lee Barner is offline
US Veteran
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NW Tennessee
Posts: 3,346
Likes: 18,765
Liked 11,387 Times in 1,753 Posts
Default

I would think a Military ammo collector would be interested in them. lee
__________________
VFW, NRA, VVA
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 02-01-2020, 10:54 AM
tndrfttom's Avatar
tndrfttom tndrfttom is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: So. Florida
Posts: 429
Likes: 954
Liked 736 Times in 222 Posts
Default

There is a similar label shown in "History of Modern US Military Small Arms Ammunition, Vol II" by Hackley, Woodin and Scranton. There is no explanation as to what instrument the bullets were used to calibrate but it seems to be associated with pressure testing .45 ACP ammunition.

I think they would be of interest to an ammunition collector especially since you have the box with the I.D. info on it.
Attached Thumbnails
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?-img015-jpg  
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 02-01-2020, 11:05 AM
reddog81 reddog81 is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: IA
Posts: 1,191
Likes: 342
Liked 950 Times in 505 Posts
Default

That’s an odd size diameter for 45 ACP and I’m not sure what “calibration component” means, but I’d guess a complete box in that condition would have more value plain lead. I know I’d trade 10 lbs of lead for a box like that any day.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 02-01-2020, 10:01 PM
Sam McCord Sam McCord is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Alaska Peninsula
Posts: 186
Likes: 47
Liked 120 Times in 36 Posts
Default

I've seen mention in TM9-1990 "Small Arms Ammunition" of "fit testing projectiles" used for checking neck tension on small arms ammunition. This TM is dated September 1947 and is labeled as a War Department publication. This would explain the different size projectiles.

I agree that there would be some collector interest and I don't think melting them down for lead would be the thing to do.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 02-01-2020, 10:16 PM
Calliope Calliope is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: On the Mississippi.
Posts: 380
Likes: 117
Liked 155 Times in 93 Posts
Default

If you don't want them, put them on Gunbroker, they might do well.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-01-2020, 10:25 PM
6string's Avatar
6string 6string is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Clinton, SC
Posts: 1,102
Likes: 1,438
Liked 2,356 Times in 793 Posts
Default

You should very carefully check the OD of these slugs one by one!
They may be sequentially packaged in increments.
Could be for testing lands diameters in barrel manufacturing?

When you said "Frankford Arsenal" I thought you meant the current budget priced company making inexpensive tools.
Coming from the real place adds significant interest.

You could inquire at the CMP forum, where there is considerable interest in period correct 1911 minutae.

Jim
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 02-02-2020, 08:20 AM
Rangerone Rangerone is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Liked 63 Times in 19 Posts
Default

Thank you for all of the responses, I am not going to melt these down, it was just a way to salvage something from them if they had no value.

In this lot of ammo, bullets and reloading equipment, there were numerous boxes of old Remington, Norma and Speer bullets, all of them sealed and all of them with (I am assuming) penciled dimensions (the Norma bullets are written to four decimal places) and weight right on the box. I do not know that I have ever run across a bullet collector, so these might simply be shot up. 30-06 was his favorite caliber and I have probably a thousand rounds of brass, dating all the way back to the first world war, and all of it in near pristine condition.

It makes sense that these 45 bullets have different outside diameters, but I am guessing that someone using these would open a box and simply randomly place bullets in case mouth's until they had whatever was considered proper tension and then measure that particular bullet.

I think I will go over to the CMP forum and post this up if it will allow a new member to post a photograph. I would like to pass these on to someone who would appreciate them if they have collectors value, and a little extra money for the ammo fund is always a good thing.
__________________
Benefactor Member, NRA
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-02-2020, 12:11 PM
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Suspended
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida, NRA CERT RSO
Posts: 21,342
Likes: 9,928
Liked 14,192 Times in 6,333 Posts
Default

Gads! Don't melt them. Those are unique. More research on collector forums or the CMP


I wonder why there are "49" and not 50??
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-03-2020, 01:17 AM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas
Posts: 27,249
Likes: 32
Liked 19,715 Times in 10,239 Posts
Default

I suggest you go to the International Ammunition Association (IAA) forum and ask there. That is where all the really astute ammunition experts hang out. If anyone knows, they will be on that forum.
_______________________
I have already asked the question on the IAA forum. So far, no good answers yet.

Last edited by DWalt; 02-03-2020 at 10:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-04-2020, 12:08 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP? Frankford Arsenal calibration bullets for the 45 ACP?  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas
Posts: 27,249
Likes: 32
Liked 19,715 Times in 10,239 Posts
Default

I just sent you an eMail regarding the bullets.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-04-2020, 09:06 PM
cgbach cgbach is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

You might try the Colt collectors forum. I doubt there is any question about things 1911 that can't be answered by someone there. Also check the folks at Ward's auctions, they might be able to give you some idea as to value.
C.G.B.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Frankford Arsenal Powder Dispenser AZ2VET Reloading 5 04-06-2019 11:32 PM
Frankford Arsenal BigMoneyGrip Reloading 3 11-28-2016 12:32 PM
Question on Frankford Arsenal Wet Case Tumbling baxtersmith Reloading 7 07-28-2015 03:13 PM
New Frankford Arsenal tumbler for Christmas MyDads38 Reloading 0 01-01-2015 03:57 PM
Frankford arsenal scale DougE Reloading 3 02-21-2009 11:30 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:30 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)