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Old 03-07-2020, 06:58 AM
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Fired some .38spl reloads using 200 grain cast LFP bullets.

Weapons used were:
1. S&W Model 60 (no dash) 2"
2. S&W Model 64 2"

powder used:
3.6 grains Unique
3.7 Bullseye

Range was 3, 7, 15, and 25 yards.

Both loads shot to POA and were very accurate

The Unique seem to be a mite better than the Bullseye.

Recoil was not excessive. Felt like a 158 grain standard load.

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I find that very interesting. I have a number of J & K frame snubbies. Do you (or anyone else) have any estimate of a 2" velocity?

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Groo here
Ah,, The old police load.
Just remember that this load was intended to yaw at impact[before Hp bullets] to increase damage.
Do Not increase speed [above 700fps] as the bullet will become MORE
stable [aka no yaw] .
In this case less is better.
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Don't know the velocity, but when I was a kid, and living at home, my mother got me a box of 200 grain LRN's for Christmas as a stocking stuffer. Shot them out of a 3 inch model 36 with snow on the ground, and I swear I could see them traveling to the target. I had the impression they were not much faster then if I had launched them out of my wrist rocket slingshot.

Maybe 650 fps with the Unique load? See the article in this link:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...oYy9R5MtswzwoH



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I find that very interesting. I have a number of J & K frame snubbies. Do you (or anyone else) have any estimate of a 2" velocity?

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Figure about 100 fps or a little greater decrease in velocity when going from 6" velocity to 2" velocity. 675-700 fps would be about tops with a 200 grain bullet in a snub nose gun. A +P load would do a little better but the practical difference wouldn't be enough to matter.
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...3.7 grs Bullseye under the 200 gr bullet seems too hot for 38 Spl in my opinion. I would opt for 2.7 grs Bullseye with that bullet weight. 3.5 grs Unique worked well for me also.
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Last year I messed with some leftover 200 gr LRN (Lyman design). Unique let me duplicate approximate factory velocities of around 700 f/s in a 4 inch barrel with 3.55 gr (avg). Alliant published loads: 3.6 gr Unique Max for standard pressures, 3.7 gr for +P.

Changing over to HS6 (I started at 5.1 gr and worked up. 5.1 gr=765 f/s) got the velocities up to over 800 f/s but the POI went from about 2 " high at 25 yards with the Unique loads to 5". I do believe the low velocities of the 200 gr loads were to keep POI pretty much the same as the 158 gr LRN.

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...3.7 grs Bullseye under the 200 gr bullet seems too hot for 38 Spl in my opinion. I would opt for 2.7 grs Bullseye with that bullet weight. 3.5 grs Unique worked well for me also.
You're right, that 3.7 Bullseye load is too hot for a 200 grain bullet.
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