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I ordered the Dillon 750 XL Essential set up for .223 to start with. After I get the hang of things I will add .357 & 9mm. I know I have a lot to learn but I'll get there.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:15 PM
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In deep is when you shoot 6 or more calibers, rifle and handgun and never buy factory loaded rounds.

I'm sure you'll get there tho..
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I ordered the Dillon 750 XL Essential set up for .223 to start with. After I get the hang of things I will add .357 & 9mm. I know I have a lot to learn but I'll get there.
It will come with pretty detailed instructions. Maybe now they come with a DVD instruction. Welcome to the Dillon club where you want to buy everything they make. Swage tool for brass, Dillon carbide dies, Case feeder, Bullet feeder. electric primer tube feeder. ETC ETC. Its a disease
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Congratulations, welcome to the "blue crew" !!!!!! Your going to love it. Have fun and be safe.
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You will love it, I've been using a 650XL for years....great machine. Only
thing I don't use is the powder drop, I chose to use my Pact powder drop and scale, I use a Dillon balance scale to check the Pact scale. It may slow me up a bit but little. Enjoy a great press you bought. Oh, and the tech support you will receive is second to none.
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If you shoot an AR 15; buy an RCBS Small Base X-die sizer die OR if shooting a bolt action; buy an RCBS standard X-die sizer die, AND anneal your case necks before resizing.

Case life will be much more than 2 or 3 firings before the neck cracks. Also, the force needed to resize the cases will be 50% less. I have had a torn rotator cuff repaired on my right shoulder because of reloading for 45 years. 35 of those years was using a Dillon progressive press that is still working tonight.

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Old 07-13-2020, 09:25 PM
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They use to come with a vhs tape. I bet they have something better now or you can use youtube.
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The problem now may be finding the components to use with that new Dillon. I hope you have a good stock of parts already. If not you will be ready to roll when supplies come back.
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Thanks. I will check into it.
I sure don't need any more shoulder problems than what I already have.

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If you shoot an AR 15; buy an RCBS Small Base X-die sizer die OR if shooting a bolt action; buy an RCBS standard X-die sizer die, AND anneal your case necks before resizing.

Case life will be much more than 2 or 3 firings before the neck cracks. Also, the force needed to resize the cases will be 50% less. I have had a torn rotator cuff repaired on my right shoulder because of reloading for 45 years. 35 of those years was using a Dillon progressive press that is still working tonight.

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In deep is when you shoot 6 or more calibers, rifle and handgun and never buy factory loaded rounds.
I certainly resemble that remark; sometimes I wonder if "in deep" and "in over my head" are the same thing. I'm at ten different calibers that I shoot and load for. Only factory ammo I buy is shotgun, and I'm thinking of loading for the 12 gauge at least.
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I'm shooting an AR 15, no bolt actions.
Will the RCBS Small Base X-die sizer be used on the Dillon 750 or will I need to get something else for this part of the process?
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If you shoot an AR 15; buy an RCBS Small Base X-die sizer die OR if shooting a bolt action; buy an RCBS standard X-die sizer die, AND anneal your case necks before resizing.

Case life will be much more than 2 or 3 firings before the neck cracks. Also, the force needed to resize the cases will be 50% less. I have had a torn rotator cuff repaired on my right shoulder because of reloading for 45 years. 35 of those years was using a Dillon progressive press that is still working tonight.

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Getting in deep? Just wait and you will learn what deep is. Started loading in the late 70’s. Wound up loading for around 15 calibers. Wound up selling all my loading stuff when kids came and no longer had time to hunt and shoot. Started back after 20 years with intention of only loading .38 wadcutters. Now load for 8 Handgun calibers and 2 rifle. You don’t save money by loading, you just shoot more but with better ammo
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I guess I'm different. I started to load decades ago but stuck to just a few handgun calibers. .38/.357, .45ACP/AR, .41 Magnum, .380, 9mm. The last two I don't shoot or load a whole lot but I do have the ability to do so if need be. I shoot .22 handguns also. I don't even own a rifle.

I find I can only shoot so many guns. Any more than half a dozen or so and I can't seem to get regular trigger time. Plus I can't say I really love reloading. I just want the ammo.

My Dillon RL450 (due to a conversion it's now really a Franken 550) is still going strong.
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I guess I'm different. I started to load decades ago but stuck to just a few handgun calibers. .38/.357, .45ACP/AR, .41 Magnum, .380, 9mm. The last two I don't shoot or load a whole lot but I do have the ability to do so if need be. I shoot .22 handguns also. I don't even own a rifle.

I find I can only shoot so many guns. Any more than half a dozen or so and I can't seem to get regular trigger time. Plus I can't say I really love reloading. I just want the ammo.

My Dillon RL450 (due to a conversion it's now really a Franken 550) is still going strong.
I've come to the same conclusion. I shoot 5 or 6 guns regularly but own many more.

I never set out to be but somehow have grown into being a collector.
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After I get the hang of things I will add .357 & 9mm.
In terms of the loading learning curve and simplicity, 38/357 are the easiest as they are straight-wall. Then 9mm (slight taper) and lastly .223 as a necked cartridge. Good luck and be safe.
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I'm shooting an AR 15, no bolt actions.
Will the RCBS Small Base X-die sizer be used on the Dillon 750 or will I need to get something else for this part of the process?
Thanks.
Honestly, I would not bother with the RCBS dies. Everyone has a favorite, it is just not my personal preference.

The Dillon die works fine and makes good ammo. The properly adjusted Dillon die sizes fine for the AR chamber no need for any other gizmos.

I do recommend getting a good case gauge to size the cases and adjust the die. You'll need to trim the cases to the correct length. A good case gauge will help with that too. I have a Dillon gauge other people make fine gauges too.

I also think that rifle is harder to start out with over the pistol cartridges. Be sure to read up on the process and start with small batches.
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Glenn,

I purchased a Dillon SDB in the late 1980s, then moved into a 550B in the early 1990s. I quickly learned that I was unable to load an acceptable match round for my Garand and M1A using the Dillon, so rifle ammo is coming off the old RCBS single stage, and the Dillon is producing: 380, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 9mm, 40 S&W, 41 Magnum, 44 Special, and 45 ACP.

I would venture that once you get the feel of reloading with your Dillon, you'll most likely give casting a shot!
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Good luck with it. I want to start too, especially since I now own somewhat of an exotic. But I also like to keep people like Buffalo Bore, Weatherby, Hornady and Norma in business. The struggle is real
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It will come with pretty detailed instructions. Maybe now they come with a DVD instruction. Welcome to the Dillon club where you want to buy everything they make. Swage tool for brass, Dillon carbide dies, Case feeder, Bullet feeder. electric primer tube feeder. ETC ETC. Its a disease
There's also youtube videos from individual users that can be helpful. Some of them fill in with experience factor where Dillon instruction leaves off. At least I found this to be the case with the 650.
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RCBS 223/556 small base dies have worked for us for decades in all presses for ARs
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The small base was all that was in stock back in the late '70s.
For bolt/single shot 223/556 we just neck size.

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In deep is when you load for LOTS of calibers and guages. In deep is when you cast bullets for almost everything you shoot and pour your own shot for your shotguns. In deep is when you build your own rifle/pistol range and build your own skeet field........Guess I'm in so deep I'm drownt.
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In terms of the loading learning curve and simplicity, 38/357 are the easiest as they are straight-wall. Then 9mm (slight taper) and lastly .223 as a necked cartridge. Good luck and be safe.
To add to this - I'd start with .357 until very familiar with your press operation; it's a straight wall, no neck, no shoulder case and doesn't have the critical shoulder length and OAL length concerns a magazine fed autoloader does.
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Go slow , take your time and Load Safe .
It's ok to get anal and OCD about getting one charge of powder in the case .
Two charges is just as bad as no charge ...check twice .

There are no awards given for speed reloading . My dear Mom would tell me " Haste makes waste" ... I will tell you , do it right the first time and you won't spend as much time with a bullet puller undoing mistakes ... Trust me on this one ... I know !

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Congrats on your new setup; as other above I'd suggest to start with a straight wall cartridge. 223 is a little more involved, I do it in 2 stage - 1st is size and trim (I have Dillon trimmer) so it's 1 cycle through the press, then clean the lube and go for 2nd cycle with actual priming, powder, bullet seat and crimp.
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That is what I have got in mind, not really trying to save money. But I do want to buy all necessary supplies when available so I can get stocked up on the calibers I need.

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Honestly, I would not bother with the RCBS dies. Everyone has a favorite, it is just not my personal preference.

The Dillon die works fine and makes good ammo. The "PROPERLY ADJUSTED" Dillon die sizes fine for the AR chamber no need for any other gizmos.
fixed it for you

I have a lightly used 650XL. It is in the neighborhood of 150k rounds loaded since I bought it new about 4 years ago. I do a little competition shooting so loading my own ammo is a VERY economical solution for me at the volume I shoot.

When it comes to loading 5.56 ammo, the only sizing die that has NEVER caused me an issue in my rifles is Dillon. I have tried many other brands of dies with varying degrees of failure.

Pro tip: Visually inspect EVERY case for powder charge BEFORE you seat the bullet. Static bridge in a powder hopper is rare, but it does happen. It is also easier than you would think to run your powder hopper empty ...
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I have a bunch of lead that I have used for fishing weights and jigs. I also have a Lee melting pot so I guess I'd just need to get the right molds?

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I purchased a Dillon SDB in the late 1980s, then moved into a 550B in the early 1990s. I quickly learned that I was unable to load an acceptable match round for my Garand and M1A using the Dillon, so rifle ammo is coming off the old RCBS single stage, and the Dillon is producing: 380, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 9mm, 40 S&W, 41 Magnum, 44 Special, and 45 ACP.

I would venture that once you get the feel of reloading with your Dillon, you'll most likely give casting a shot!
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What all do I need to change calibers? The Dillon setup is for 223 and I ordered some 9mm dies after I ordered the press. If loading for .357 would be better to start learning on, do I just need the 3 Dillon dies? Thanks.
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No, you are gonna need a conversion kit. It should include a shell plate, powder funnel and buttons (forget correct name). I’m speaking from 550 knowledge, pretty sure 750 will be the same. Some parts of the conversion kit will interchange with other calibers. If your cheap like me, you can piece some together.
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Thanks David. I will do a search on conversion kit or shell plate for the Dillon 750 and see what I can find.

You're right, the conversion kit comes with all the stuff you mentioned plus a few things. But it does not come with the dies. That seems odd to me. Is it because some guys use different brands of dies or may already have the dies?

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No, you are gonna need a conversion kit. It should include a shell plate, powder funnel and buttons (forget correct name). Iím speaking from 550 knowledge, pretty sure 750 will be the same. Some parts of the conversion kit will interchange with other calibers. If your cheap like me, you can piece some together.
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I ordered the Dillon 750 XL Essential set up for .223 to start with. After I get the hang of things I will add .357 & 9mm. I know I have a lot to learn but I'll get there.
Glad to hear you're "in the game"!

I'd just like to make what I feel is an important suggestion here.... I would NOT start off with .223, but instead learn your Press with a simple and easy cartridge like 9mm, .45 acp, .38 special, etc. There are so many things going on and to watch at the same time - you don't need to start off with a more complicated round to load.

Just trying to make this suggestion to save you from frustration, trimming cases, etc. when starting off on something that should be a fun/learning process.

In any event, good luck with your new Dillon - you certainly bought the right brand!
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When I started reloading I've made a conscious decision to use bulkier powders, which ideally would overflow in case of double charge. I've made a mess few times but mess in reloading room is much safer and cheaper than on the range
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I have a bunch of lead that I have used for fishing weights and jigs. I also have a Lee melting pot so I guess I'd just need to get the right molds?
You need to decide if you're going to shoot bare/lubed or coated bullets.

If you decide to shoot lubed bullets, you need some form of lubri-sizer: either a Lee tumble lube setup (affordable) or a Lyman/RCBS lubrisizer with sizing die and top punch for each bullet cast (potentially expensive). If you decide to shoot coated bullets, you need: a Lee sizer (one for each caliber cast), the coating powder (under $20), and an inexpensive toasted oven that will ONLY be used to bake the bullets.

Powder coating can be the least expensive approach to casting your own!
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I think you've about dug down to China. You really are in deep.My own range would be great but I don't think the National Forest folks would like me doing that.

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In deep is when you load for LOTS of calibers and guages. In deep is when you cast bullets for almost everything you shoot and pour your own shot for your shotguns. In deep is when you build your own rifle/pistol range and build your own skeet field........Guess I'm in so deep I'm drownt.

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Welcome to the world of blue! I also have spent a small fortune with Dillon! I have seen nothing but good advice above! The only thing I would like to add is this! Reloading is a solitary endeavor! My reloading room is in my shop with NO TV, NO RADIO, and other distractions. If I need to talk on the phone I stop, sit back, and talk! Don't drive and text and don't reload with outside distractions! 40 years of reloading and still learning!
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I agree. I plan on doing the same, giving it my undivided attention.

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Dillon says 6 more weeks before getting the XL750 Essentials 223, backordered. I asked Dillon if they had "any" reloading machines, nothing in stock. One of the Dillon distributers says no one knows how much longer it will be before they have any stock. Disappointed but what can you do.
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That gives you more time to read up on things. Maybe watch some videos on rifle loading too. Possibly start looking at case trimmers, gauges, deburing tools, crimp removers and so on.

You can even start sourcing bullets, powder and primers.

Then figure out your load combination.

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I was thinking along the same lines. The Dillon Essentials kit comes with the Lyman 50th edition. Which manual/book would be a good compliment to the Lyman? Thanks.

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That gives you more time to read up on things. Maybe watch some videos on rifle loading too. Possibly start looking at case trimmers, gauges, deburing tools, crimp removers and so on.

You can even start sourcing bullets, powder and primers.

Then figure out your load combination.

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My how fast things change. Got a notification from FedEx today that the Dillon XL 750 Essentials is on its way. No notification from Dillon but I know they are very busy.

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That gives you more time to read up on things. Maybe watch some videos on rifle loading too. Possibly start looking at case trimmers, gauges, deburing tools, crimp removers and so on.

You can even start sourcing bullets, powder and primers.

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I see that the Essentials package does not include the case feeder. IMO the case feeder is what makes a 650/750 an efficiency machine.

I load 223 on my 650 in three stages:
1. Load up the case feeder and size/deprime. I have a separate tool head with only the sizing die installed.
2. Tumble cases and trim to length.
3. Install the tool head with the powder drop, bullet seater, and crimp die if you decide to use one. Fill the case feeder with polished and trimmed cases, and finish the reloading process.

The case feeder makes all this a breeze!

FWIW H335 meters like water in the 650.

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Thanks. Good suggestion. I went to their website and notice the case feeder are for different size shells.
Is there some type of conversion to go from .357 to 9mm, for example?

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I see that the Essentials package does not include the case feeder. IMO the case feeder is what makes a 650/750 an efficiency machine.

I load 223 on my 650 in three stages:
1. Load up the case feeder and size/deprime. I have a separate tool head with only the sizing die installed.
2. Tumble cases and trim to length.
3. Install the tool head with the powder drop, bullet seater, and crimp die if you decide to use one. Fill the case feeder with polished and trimmed cases, and finish the reloading process.

The case feeder makes all this a breeze!

FWIW H335 meters like water in the 650.
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Thanks. Good suggestion. I went to their website and notice the case feeder are for different size shells.
Is there some type of conversion to go from .357 to 9mm, for example?
The case feeder has a rotating plate to drop the cases in the tube. There are five different plates.

Small pistol
Large pistol
Small rifle
Large rifle
Magnum rifle

For your calibers (9mm, 357, 223) you would need the first three plates.

They all work in the same case feeder and are just a drop-in installation. No tools needed. If I recall they run about $40 each.
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Its a black hole of fun and learning excitement... just as I think I have the hang of pistol, I decide to go jump into rifle.
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I have a bunch of lead that I have used for fishing weights and jigs. I also have a Lee melting pot so I guess I'd just need to get the right molds?
It sounds like you're half way there. Lee has 2 cavity molds for $20 and they're great for testing out casting. You'll need to lube or powder coat the bullets to prevent leading and sizing is also recommended. Lee has sizing dies for $20, but I think you'll need something other than your Dillon press to for that operation.
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