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Old 07-24-2020, 05:33 PM
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I picked these up a few years ago with a bunch of other ammo (reloads & factory). One of my policies is to never shoot another persons reloads (not that I would shoot this ammo anyway).

It has Remington brass with what looks like the old CCI lawman .45 acp "flying ashtrays" . But the way the case is bulged where the bullet seats in makes me suspect they are reloads. And they came in a reloaders' type holder.

What say you? And are those the old "Flying Ashtray" bullets?
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Old 07-24-2020, 05:48 PM
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I'm not up on identifying bullets and I may be very wrong on this, but that looks like the 190 grain Super Vel .45 bullet. The CCI bullet many call the "flying ashtray" (never figured out why they called it that) had a slightly larger hollow point and the top of the bullet jacket was rounded, like a round nose bullet that had been hollow pointed.
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Old 07-24-2020, 05:50 PM
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I could be wrong, but they don't look like the "flying ashtrays" that I remember shooting! The bullet profile on these is too much like a truncated cone, much like the Hornady HAP bullets. The "flying ashtrays" his more of a round nose profile, as I remember them.
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Old 07-24-2020, 06:29 PM
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...have the extra large holes, ala 'Flying Ashtray'.

The reason they are called that is because if you sit a bullet on it's base, the hole looks large enough to use as an ashtray.
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I had a whole box of new Speer Gold Dots that had the bullet bulge in the cases. It doesn't mean anything to me.
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Old 07-24-2020, 07:06 PM
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UGLY reloads will shoot.............
if they fit into the chamber, but

It is nice to not have a case bulge or wrinkled case, if possible.

You never know when a case is going to toss it's hands up in the air, and say...........

I've had it !!
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Old 07-24-2020, 07:33 PM
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I'm an old man BUT, even when I was a young man, I would never shoot someone else's reloads ESPECIALLY if I didn't know who did that reloading.
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Old 07-24-2020, 09:17 PM
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I don't shoot reloads from "unknowns" either. They could all go bang but there could be one that could seriously ruin your day.

I'd get a bullet puller. You could weigh the bullets and throw the powder in the yard. There would still be the question as to what primer is used though...
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Old 07-25-2020, 10:26 AM
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I can shoot those out of your gun for ya. That way by time I get done shooting we should know if they are safe

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Old 07-25-2020, 10:55 AM
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Those do not look like the old CCI 200 grain 45 ACP JHP "flying ash can" bullets to me. I'd say they are 185 grain bullets, the profile looks a lot like Sierra.
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I got a couple boxes of factory 380 for Christmas from non-gun relatives, so I know they just bought them at Walmart or wherever. I had just sold my last 380, so at the next gun show I went to trade them off for 9mm, thinking a dealer would jump at that.

The guy opened the box, took one look, and asked me if they were reloads! He pointed out that about 1/4 of the rounds had a different colored primer (silver vs gold). I knew they couldn't be reloads, always wondered why that would happen.
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Those are reloads if you look close enough there are nicks and dings in the base and primers as evidence.

Any large mouth hollow point can be referred to as "flying ashtrays". The original "F/A"'s as I recall were Speer and preferred by "pin" shooters!

"Best practice" says do not shoot someone else's reloads! (Except mine, they're always perfect!)

Newly manufactured ammo form the smaller companies may include different primers depending on their suppliers! Hobbyists may also mix ammo from different eras in filling boxes for storage. (You get what you pay for!)

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Old 07-25-2020, 12:58 PM
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I'll probably just pull the bullets and figure out a proper load based on bullet weight. These bullets actually look like Cor-bon's.

I know GD's replaced the "Flying Ashtray" bullet, but is the bullet still available as a component?
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I second the Sierra profile.. and not seated deep enough to be a 230gr, I'd guess 185gr also.
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The only guess that counts is whether or not it will blow up your gun (and/or hurt someone) if you shoot someone else's reloads.

That would be foremost in my mind if I were to shoot those reloads; knowing myself, I would not be able to concentrate on my aim.

Not worth it in my opinion.

I've pulled bullets before and have reloaded them with fresh powder. Put them aside for "plinking" at the silhouette range but ended up not shooting them because I didn't want to run a few grungy, scratched up, dented bullets through my guns. Now I just dump what reloads I acquire into a bucket and give it away to someone else who will probably end up storing it in their garage like I used to do.

Again, not worth it in my opinion.
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I'll probably just pull the bullets and figure out a proper load based on bullet weight. These bullets actually look like Cor-bon's.

I know GD's replaced the "Flying Ashtray" bullet, but is the bullet still available as a component?
Cor-Bon used Sierra bullets in some calibers.
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A note on shooting other people's or unknown people's reloads: I'll run a few through a T/C Contender barrel and see how they perform compared to Factory or my know reloads!

I also bought a cowboy shooters 45 Schofield reloads after he sold the guns. Kind of hard to blow up a Vaquero or a 1894 Marlin with a case that small (when he had been shooting them in a much weaker action!)

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If you have a HEAVY frame or rifle to test ammo out, that is the way to go.....................

but most of us don't have that.

Pulling a bullet and weighing the powder is only a 50% guess at best..............

At least you end up with a primer, case and bullet for later use ?
Not a total loss.
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I agree with others here, I don't believe those are the 200 gr. CCI flying ashtrays due to the profile. I carried them in my Colt Combat Commander when they were popular. The flying ashtrays had a more squat, rounded shoulder. They were not cone-shaped to the hollow point butmoregently rounded to that point.
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The bullets are not the Speer 4477 "Flying ashtrays". The last Speer manual that had load data was # 13. The cartridge on the left is loaded with the 4477.

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The bullets are not the Speer 4477 "Flying ashtrays". The last Speer manual that had load data was # 13. The cartridge on the left is loaded with the 4477.
Yep, that is the famed "flying ashtray" bullet. It was possible to make them feed reliably in a 1911, but not without a fair amount of work, at least in my experience in the late 1980's.
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They look a lot like Hornady HAP bullets.
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If they are not "old" original Super Vel bullets then the next suspect is Sierra and their 185 gr. JHP's . I bought several boxes and a Sierra Loading Manual just to load fast stepping 45 acp JHP's ... only Sierra had 185 gr. data ...all other makers were 200 gr. JHP and/or JSP
an obscene amount of Unique would get you at or near 1000 fps and those loads would decimate a water filled plastic milk jug !
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If they are not "old" original Super Vel bullets then the next suspect is Sierra and their 185 gr. JHP's . I bought several boxes and a Sierra Loading Manual just to load fast stepping 45 acp JHP's ... only Sierra had 185 gr. data ...all other makers were 200 gr. JHP and/or JSP
an obscene amount of Unique would get you at or near 1000 fps and those loads would decimate a water filled plastic milk jug !
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I looked at the photos again and I was mistaken about the bullets being 190 grain Super Vels. The bullets depicted have slight vertical skives at the top of the copper jacket. The Super Vel factory ammo I have has no such skives. Perhaps they are Sierra bullets.
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