J. R. WEEMS
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Wondering just how much should your charge change when you go from a lead bullet to a JHP using the same powder, in this case RED DOT??? 
Thanks for your input.
Thanks for your input. 
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fredj338
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Wondering just how much should your charge change when you go from a lead bullet to a JHP using the same powder, in this case RED DOT???
There can be quite a diff in pressure & vel. Bullets arent really plug & play, but at midrange & below, you wont see a whole lot of diff. At max, everything matters. Btw, I cant think of any application where I would plug a 158gr jhp into a RedDot load.
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J. R. WEEMS
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Well these are 250gn Gold Dot for a 45 COLT - gun in question is a REDHAWK- ??
Well these are 250gn Gold Dot for a 45 COLT - gun in question is a REDHAWK- ??
fredj338
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Well these are 250gn Gold Dot for a 45 COLT - gun in question is a REDHAWK- ??
Doesnt matter caliber. Shooting jhp over fast powders doesnt really serve a purpose? Same applies to any caliber. There are three levels of load data; lead, plated & jacketed. Bullets are really not plug & play. If you are just punching paper with light loads, coated lead are way cheaper. If you must shoot them up. You can use lead data for jacketed, just not the other way around.
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Fishinfool
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Speaking in GENERAL terms, it is considered safe to use jacketed bullet data when substituting a lead bullet of the same or lesser weight. Not so much the other way around.
Jacketed bullets have more resistances in the bore, and more bearing surface, leading to higher pressures than similar cast lead. Jacketed bullet loads should be confirmed in a good loading manual specific to that bullet.
I really like Red Dot in the .44 and .45c cases for cast bullet, lighter mid-range loads, but it is not the ideal powder for higher velocity jacketed loads in these calibers. A little on the fast side. Less pressure, and better velocity with something slower like Unique or even 2400.
Larry
Jacketed bullets have more resistances in the bore, and more bearing surface, leading to higher pressures than similar cast lead. Jacketed bullet loads should be confirmed in a good loading manual specific to that bullet.
I really like Red Dot in the .44 and .45c cases for cast bullet, lighter mid-range loads, but it is not the ideal powder for higher velocity jacketed loads in these calibers. A little on the fast side. Less pressure, and better velocity with something slower like Unique or even 2400.
Larry
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J. R. WEEMS
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Larry, this was the answer I was looking for. The question was ask because nowhere can I find published loads for the Gold Dot using Red Dot. I do have the latest Speer book, in fact most of the as I am a reloading book junkie. I want to carry this when hunting and need it to do the job if need be. I have pretty much always been a 'by the book' loader and not much for what is concocted out on the back 40- as it were. 
Larry, this was the answer I was looking for. The question was ask because nowhere can I find published loads for the Gold Dot using Red Dot. I do have the latest Speer book, in fact most of the as I am a reloading book junkie.
I want to carry this when hunting and need it to do the job if need be. I have pretty much always been a 'by the book' loader and not much for what is concocted out on the back 40- as it were.
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I use a lot of Red Dot, since I also shoot a lot of 12 Ga. trap loads.
It is a great powder once you use it enough to find what weight of powder works in a certain weapon.
Great with lead and good for copper bullet in my 38, 357 and all my 9mm pistols.
Lots of data out there to look up.............
Just don't go below the starting loads with copper bullets and you will be fine.
It is a great powder once you use it enough to find what weight of powder works in a certain weapon.
Great with lead and good for copper bullet in my 38, 357 and all my 9mm pistols.
Lots of data out there to look up.............
Just don't go below the starting loads with copper bullets and you will be fine.
Jacketed bullets and cast lead bullets are totally different bullets. If this question is just an academic question, the differences are mainly in the friction coefficient of jacket material vs cast lead. For real life uses, why not find the correct powder charge for a jacketed bullet? If you can't find data in a manual, the powder manufacturers or distributors can help.
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Alliant lists the 250 GDHP with loads using Unique, Power Pistol and 2400. I know that is not the Red Dot loads you asked for but it gives an excuse to buy another type of powder!
Ed
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gwpercle
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The reloading data for lead bullets is different from jacketed bullets .
If you wish to reload lead bullets , use the data for the weight and profile lead bullet you wish to reload .
You shouldn't just use jacketed bullet data for lead and as far as I know there is no formula to convert jacketed bullet data to lead bullet data .
Your best bet is the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition for lead bullet loading data .
I reload 99% cast lead and Red Dot is a favorite powder ...what are you looking to load ?
Gary
If you wish to reload lead bullets , use the data for the weight and profile lead bullet you wish to reload .
You shouldn't just use jacketed bullet data for lead and as far as I know there is no formula to convert jacketed bullet data to lead bullet data .
Your best bet is the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition for lead bullet loading data .
I reload 99% cast lead and Red Dot is a favorite powder ...what are you looking to load ?
Gary
Well these are 250gn Gold Dot for a 45 COLT - gun in question is a REDHAWK- ??
uh oh the post is too short so I am lengthening it!
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J. R. WEEMS
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HA!! I have both Unique & 2400. Just was trying to keep it simple, as not having to clear my Chragemaster. 
Alliant lists the 250 GDHP with loads using Unique, Power Pistol and 2400. I know that is not the Red Dot loads you asked for but it gives an excuse to buy another type of powder!
Ed
HA!!
I have both Unique & 2400. Just was trying to keep it simple, as not having to clear my Chragemaster.
fredj338
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But you can use lead data for jacketed. Look at the lyman manual, lead vs jacketed in various calibers. Its a pretty safe extrapolation to use jacketed bullets with lead data. You are or should be starting low & working up.
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Gosh...
Do you want to use Gold Dots for range fodder? The Speer GDHP needs good velocity to expand and perform. A slower powder sounds like the ticket here.
Do you want to use Gold Dots for range fodder? The Speer GDHP needs good velocity to expand and perform. A slower powder sounds like the ticket here.
