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Been trying to work up a Bianchi Cup revolver load meeting the 120K power factor and 1-1/2" groups at 50 yards. So far & hands down the factory Remington 158 Gr RN (target) ammo has the best grouping.

Believe it or not the Magtech 158 gr RN bullet is listed as an "economy bullet" but it's accuracy equals the Remington.

That's the good news, the bad news is that Magtech informed me that they are no longer supplying bullets for reloading - they have shifted production to "loaded ammo" because of consumer demands.

So I'm seeking for a source for 158 RN bullets that resemble the Remington on left and Magtech on right.
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Not exactly the same but check these out.
158gr TCBB and I always buy his premium cast.
Give Robert a call and inquire about the bullet coatings he uses these days if necessary.

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They may shoot good but they are butt ugly. National Bullet Co made some accurate round nose pretty boolits if you could find a design like their's. I have never shot a good group at 50 yards with a bevel base lead bullet.

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You might give PENN bullets a call. Have NO idea about shipping to NY But if not get in touch.
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From my limited testing the cup base bullet (as pictured) has superior accuracy vs the bevel base. The "long" RN is also more accurate over the flat nose or stubby RN bullets (in my guns anyway).
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I am very sorry to hear that MagTec is not making bullets for the loaders any more, for now............

The 158 gr RN in my J frame at ten yards with Trail Boss would put five bullets onto a paper target with all five touching one another, when shot off a sand bag.

A SWC would average .99" to 1.86" from various makers.

Darn the luck.......
Here I am with only one bag of 100 left.
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Here is a quote from Magtech when asked if they would be making that lead bullet in the future:

........."While I never say never, it’s highly unlikely we’ll offer components again due to the demand for loaded ammunition.".........
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What gun are you using? Do you have to shoot a lead 158 grain boolit? Both boolits look pressure formed. The one on the left looks like a wad cuter with a round nose. It looks like they were designed for under 850 fps. Are you using 38 brass?
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What gun are you using? Do you have to shoot a lead 158 grain boolit? Both boolits look pressure formed. The one on the left looks like a wad cuter with a round nose. It looks like they were designed for under 850 fps. Are you using 38 brass?
The one on the left was pulled from a factory Remington 158 RN (target) round. The one on the right is a Megtech 158 RN bullet. Have all types of brass Rem, Fed, Starline, nickel, brass etc. Like the Federal brass because it is straight wall (no crimp grooves). Using 38 brass and targeting 800-820 fps. Like I mentioned factory 158 GR RN Target shoots 1-1/2" at 50 yards. That "cup base" seems to make the difference.

I'm using S&W K frames with 6" Clark barrels....Clark said they are 1-10.

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My shooting buddy has a 1 in 10'' Clark 10'' barrel for sale for an L frame. Mine is a 1 in 14 twist and shoots good at 50 yards with a 200 grain round nose and a 125 Hornady XTP. I haven't benched a lot at 50 to know how some bullets group. Here is a target I shot at 50 with a model 19-3 with a 1 in 14'' twist These 200 grain bullet have a dish in the rear also. I never thought about the dish but it seems to work. This company went out of business. I was aiming at the bottom of the orange with both bullets and the 200 shot higher. I would like to know what you come up with.
Looks like the groups I'm getting with the Magtech bullets...I wrote to Berry's asking for a variety sample pack if possible. Right now I'm sold on the dish base bullets.

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Speer makes a very close 158 with a small dish. Product #679355

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Sounds like a bullet challenge is on the table.

Thought I used those Penns up while teaching the gals to load/shoot some soft loads in the old minty DS.

PM an address and I'll send you a bunch if you'd be interested in settling this dispute.
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Have had good luck with the Remington , Magtech & Zero 158 RN swaged bullets in 38 special loaded for DR competition . The Remington 158 RN & their 148 HBWC are hard to beat for 38 special target work . They're also getting hard to find as I believe they only make limited runs once a year . When I find them I buy them by the 2,000 case .
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Thanks guys..BTW I have tons of swaged 148 BNWC, 148 HBWC and 158 RN (flat base) bullets. Shoot great under 770 fps.

Like I mentioned...Magtech is no longer selling bullets...just loaded ammo. They informed me of this last week.

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Armscor makes a 158 jacketed bullet but with an exposed lead dish base that's very accurate and cheap. I used to load some in my 357 Maximum Contender that were the most accurate at 100 yds.

You must be benchresting to shoot a group like that at 50 yds.
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That bullet is similar to these (picture)...my buddy gave me a pack but he can't remember who made them! They shoot well at 50 yards.

I cut one open..that copper is pretty thick? They have a small cup on the bottom. My concern is the K frame forcing cone having a steady diet of them.

BTW: All my testing is double action on a rest at 50 yds.
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Try the bayou 160 RN. Hitek coated bullets. I use them for IDPA PF 126 loads

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Try the bayou 160 RN. Hitek coated bullets. I use them for IDPA PF 126 loads
Ordered their 145 and 160 RN some time ago..still waiting. Didn't have good luck with their 138 BNWC.
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That bullet is similar to these (picture)...my buddy gave me a pack but he can't remember who made them! They shoot well at 50 yards.

I cut one open..that copper is pretty thick? They have a small cup on the bottom. My concern is the K frame forcing cone having a steady diet of them.

BTW: All my testing is double action on a rest at 50 yds.
Are you saying you can shoot a 2 1/2'' group at 50 yards double action with a K frame?
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Are you saying you can shoot a 2 1/2'' group at 50 yards double action with a K frame?
YES...It's not a big deal!!!...do it regularly. I never shoot single action..all double action, have 6" Clark barrels and UltraDot scopes. My revolvers don't have single action capabilities.


Don't really want to say this but I shot (2) national "open" records at the Bianchi Cup, shot a perfect 1920 at one NRA Eastern Regional Action Pistol Championship years ago.

BTW: This was about 25 years ago...but I can still shoot 2-1/2 groups..which is not a big deal.

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I don't know if they have what you need but Missouri bullets are tops in my book.
Looking at their web page don't see what I'm looking for. I really feel that the "cup base" in combination with a "longer round nose" profile 158 gr round works best in my revolver(s). This bullet profile is exactly what Remington uses in the factory loaded 158 Gr RN "TARGET" ammo which is very accurate and was regularly used during Police Combat Distinguished Matches...must be something there.

BTW: I know the 148 Gr HBWC was supreme for 1500 matches...but the groups open up with the 148 as I hit the 850 fps threshold, plus skirt separation becomes a concern.

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The Hornady swaged LRN is slightly cupped at the base and may work for you. Hard to find right now (what isn’t?) but Buffalo Arms shows them in stock. Good luck both in finding what you need and at The Cup.

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The Hornady swaged LRN is slightly cupped at the base and may work for you. Hard to find right now (what isnít?) but Buffalo Arms shows them in stock. Good luck both in finding what you need and at The Cup.

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Hey Thanks..that bullet looks worth looking into!...Midway is out but I may have another source to try. The Midway site has positive reviews listed in the comments. Found a video showing the cup base.

Hornady Bullets 38 Cal (358 Diameter) 158 Grain Lead Round Nose Box of

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Thanks...shipping is a killer on that site...may have found another source anyway. Just want 300 to test.
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Just a bit over 158gr (160gr), but Hi-Tek coated RN with a beveled base to facilitate loading.

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If you are interested in 160 grain plated I have quite a few I believe they were made by Xtreme I donít have any plans for them Pm if you like


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You might want to check the Oregon Trail Cast Bullet website. I've used a slew of these in my 45s, and they shoot really well. Missouri Bullets might be another choice.
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I believe they do I will look & see (They are very slightly cupped)

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Temporarily discontinued due to the current craziness, but these are swaged, cup-based bullets. I cannot personally vouch for their accuracy.

38 150 RN – precisionbullets.com
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I'll post 60 of those Penn 158 TCBBs this week.
I don't have a precision 357/38, just a Colt DS and Ruger SS Snub, but the next Smith will be a new 357 long barreled N frame.... or?

Wonder what a cup on the base of those Penn's might achieve?
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I'll post 60 of those Penn 158 TCBBs this week.
I don't have a precision 357/38, just a Colt DS and Ruger SS Snub, but the next Smith will be a new 357 long barreled N frame.

Wonder what a cup on the base of those Penn's might achieve?
Have a feeling that the bevel base affects the flight also....seems like a straight wall with hollow base...works best for me. Have a feeling the bevel base was designed for easier reloading?
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Roger that.
Those are his Premium Grade.

From the Penn site:

"The most accurate .38/.357-158grain cast bullet available. This particular design has been in my line up for over 20 years and has withstood the test of time. It was a winning design when it was introduced and it still is today. Superior to the Magma version it is more aerodynamic and 100% feed reliable in lever action rifles making it the better choice over any round nose flat point design for Cowboy Action. (The Truncated Cone nose is perfect for tubular magazines.) It is also a superior design when using speed loaders for competition use as the nose profile slides easily into the cylinder with no hang ups. The design is self centering into the forcing cone allowing better alignment hence better accuracy. If you load this bullet identically the same as the SWC design this one will shoot the tighter groups. It cuts a fairly clean hole on paper but not as paper punch clean as a WC or SWC design. Cast from a matched set of molds provides the ultra low weight deviations. Molded in crimp groove makes the setting of the O.A.L. easy . Bevel base design facilitates easy loading on progressive loaders. The Cowboy Action Alloy grades are rated for velocities up to 950 fps and the Premium Grades are velocity rated for up to 1600 fps."
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I shoot NRA Action Pistol too. I get my bullets locally here in Cheyenne, WY. Chey Cast bullets -- they have a good line up with 100 round "sample packs" so you can try out different types of bullets. I've had good results with their hi tek coated 148 grain DEWC in my K-Frame Open gun. Another good thing about CheyCast--they ship their bullets promptly! Chey-Cast Bullets
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I shoot NRA Action Pistol too. I get my bullets locally here in Cheyenne, WY. Chey Cast bullets -- they have a good line up with 100 round "sample packs" so you can try out different types of bullets. I've had good results with their hi tek coated 148 grain DEWC in my K-Frame Open gun. Another good thing about CheyCast--they ship their bullets promptly! Chey-Cast Bullets
Thanks...will give them a try
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