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No, I absolutely do not want to rebuild primers. I think I have enough ammo laid up to weather the current dilemma.

But if the big kerfuffle comes, it wouldn't hurt to have a fallback position.

So, I wonder if anyone has any experience with this product?

Prime-All Repriming Compound – Sharpshooter 22LR Reloader

They offer it to re-prime 22LR cases for their reloading kit.

The video claims you can re-prime 2000 primers with this amount.

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Interesting...I hope it never gets to that, but with a 20 year shelf life it wouldn’t hurt to have some on hand. You know...just in case.
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Interesting...I hope it never gets to that, but with a 20 year shelf life it wouldn’t hurt to have some on hand. You know...just in case.
I've ordered some. And I've "rebuilt" primers with toy caps and they go bang. But I question if there's enough energy to ignite powder.

That's as far as I've gotten. I'm thinking about trying 2 or 3 caps per primer but stumbled into this product.
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All of us who reload might be trying it soon ... or the paper cap method .
I have a zip lock of fired primers that I'm now glad I didn't throw away .

Necessity is the mother of innovative ways !

I looked into reloading 22 LR last shortage and the fly in the ointment was getting the priming compound evenly distributed around the circumference of the rim ... repriming the 22LR was sketchy at best ....
But ... a drop of priming compound placed in the cup sound very viable.
Even using a paper cap for the priming compound worked surprisingly well ... using liquid priming compound should be a winner ...if the stuff goes off reliably ... only testing will tell but the concept looks good !
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I've ordered some. And I've "rebuilt" primers with toy caps and they go bang. But I question if there's enough energy to ignite powder.

That's as far as I've gotten. I'm thinking about trying 2 or 3 caps per primer but stumbled into this product.
A fellow over on Cast Boolits site used 2 caps in his tests.
They did better than I expected ... 3 caps might be just the ticket .
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Thanks Al. I too have ordered some and will give it a try. Hopefully it will be just another novel, semi-scientific experiment on my part, and not the shape of things to come. I went ahead and ordered their 22LR reloading kit just to see how well that alternative works.

Now, if they ever decide to make and market 32RF's and 41RF's, they could breath new life into a bunch of wall hangers and antiques; probably resulting in the final demise of a few of them as well. -S2
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Please be careful. Anything that goes bang from a shock is dangerous to handle.

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Hmmm, interesting concept. Wonder if you would you have to remove the anvils on boxer primers? That sounds tedious! Not sure if I'm up for reloading 22lr, but it's nice to know there is an option if it comes to that. Thanks for the link.
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My inquiries into their priming compound led me to understand that it is corrosive.
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Hmmm, interesting concept. Wonder if you would you have to remove the anvils on boxer primers? That sounds tedious! Not sure if I'm up for reloading 22lr, but it's nice to know there is an option if it comes to that. Thanks for the link.
It certainly is a fiddly little job, removing the anvil, flattening out the dimple and reinstalling the anvil. But it's doable.

Full Disclosure: The first primer I "rebuilt" detonated when I seated it in the case. Turned out the punch I used to flatten it back out was a nail set with a dimple in the end. It allowed the primer cup to still have an internal dimple. Filed the nail set flat, tried a couple more that didn't go bang until I pulled the trigger.

Very definitely, this is an activity requiring a great deal of caution. If I ever get past the firing in an empty case stage, my thinking is one round in a revolver at a time to start. I am miles away from that point.
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My inquiries into their priming compound led me to understand that it is corrosive.
That's my expectation, too. This would be far from an ideal scenario. But if needed, the scenario would already be sub-optimal.
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I'm optimistic. I don't have an escape bag by my front door, loaded guns hidden in every room, or ammo buried in the yard. I have plenty of primers, but if I didn't, I think I could easily wait a while for the experts to make and sell them like they always have. If I had to make my own, I'd likely find a more practical hobby.

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Page 110 of TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook
Dept. of the Army Pub circa 1969 tells and shows you how
to reactivate boxer primers the old school way.

It also does show and tell for other stuff that can get you
into a lot of trouble. But it's nice to have as a reference
when watching Jack Ryan or reading Alistair Maclean or
living in interesting times.

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If in the event things get that bad and I run out of ammo I'll start using my flintlocks, no primers needed.....
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Fantastic! Finally a market for all of my old spent primers. I'll give all forum members a deep discount on volume orders on my spent primers. First come, first serve. Avoid future regrets and order now!
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IF it ever got to the point where "reloaded" primers were the only option and they were corrosive, I'd just clean my guns sooner. I have ordered some of that priming compound from Sharp Shooter just out of curiosity and will try some large pistol primers. (I'm pretty sure I'll never need any, but I jes wanna know). I have experimented with a lot of reloading methods and components, mainly just 'cause (I "reloaded" some shot gun 209 battery cups with large rifle primers, no need but fun and they all worked)
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Page 110 of TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook
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It also does show and tell for other stuff that can get you
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living in interesting times.

Google link to some pages that have it:

tm 31-210 pdf - Google Search
HOLY SNEYEKIES you could get into trouble just by reading this thing I did enjoy the step by step about how to build a 9mm pistol and a 12 ga shotgun out of some scrap lumber, some galvanized pipe and some fittings.
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Up untill about the late 50's,,maybe the early 60's,,reloading Shotshell primers was a somewhat common practice.

I still have some of the primers that you use to replace the spent one in the shotshell primer assembly called the Battery Cap.
The ones I still have are CCI # 200 IIRC. I'm sure others made them
They look like a standard LR that they forgot to put an anvil into.


You used to need a small press for the chore, or you could do the process by hand with a slender punch, hammer and a wooden dowel.

The little press, looking like a mini single stage reloader, punched the spent primer out of the Battery Cap.
You had to recover the 'spade style' anvil for reuse.

Then reinsert that anvil back into the Battery Cap and use the press to push one of the fresh anviless primers back into place.
All Done!!
Ready to reload A shotshell now!

What a tedious operation..no wonder it was never very popular even though it was a cost saver and at that time a 1/2cent was considered to be something of value.

Back then the #209 was not a standard shotshell BatteryCap primer size.
But the primer itself used in the Batterycap was standard IIRC.
I still have a couple K of #57 shotshell primers. They are a few .000 smaller in dia than the now standard #209.
They work perfect in shotshell chambered blank guns though and since the #57's are generally useless to most people they give them away.

I have pressed them into service by loading them with a strip of a plastic bag placed over the primer hole in the shotshell case. The primer pushes the thin bag plastic matrl into the case as it seats and that plastic makes up the needed room for a tight fit.
Kind of tedious but it works. I guess I'll save that for DoomsDay reloading sessions.
Untill then the 1000's of 209's I have will work well w/o driving me any goofier than I already am.
I got important stuff to finish up after all...
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I once read somewhere that Boxer primers could be re-loaded using the heads of strike-anywhere kitchen matches. Never tried it and never had to.

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I once read somewhere that Boxer primers could be re-loaded using the heads of strike-anywhere kitchen matches. Never tried it and never had to.

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That was done in the Philippines after the Japanese took over along with building slam fire shotguns from gas pipe. Of course the idea was you only needed a couple home made shells until you became the proud owner of an Arisaka rifle and ammo.
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HOLY SNEYEKIES you could get into trouble just by reading this thing I did enjoy the step by step about how to build a 9mm pistol and a 12 ga shotgun out of some scrap lumber, some galvanized pipe and some fittings.
I hit the download button. I think my name is now on a list someplace!

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HOLY SNEYEKIES you could get into trouble just by reading this thing I did enjoy the step by step about how to build a 9mm pistol and a 12 ga shotgun out of some scrap lumber, some galvanized pipe and some fittings.
Does this make HomeDepot an FFL now?

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I have to go now. There is a black van pulling up in front of my house!
And I can hear the black choppers on their way, too!
My wife's convinced we'll end up on the new some day. :-)
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Prime-All is overpriced for such a small amount. If and when reloading primers becomes necessary you should already have the chemicals on hand ready to go. More than one "how to" source for recipes available from net searches, and bulk chemicals can be found here.
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I can see me sitting at the bench removing anvils, flattening the dimple, charging and reinstalling the anvils on 2000 primers.
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My physics teacher in high school (1970s) had some quirks but was interesting. He had spent at least one tour as a FAC pilot in SEA in the 60s. One of the classes he was only allowed to teach once was an improvised munitions class subtitled "Household chemicals you should NOT mix together." At the time I had Stevens Favorite in 32 RF, which my dad later had converted to 32 Long CF. Prior to the conversion Mr. Phillips guided me on reloading 32 RF using a home made priming compound. The most tedious part was removing the firing pin dimple but the cases I had were copper out of Canada so a little softer than brass.

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I can see me sitting at the bench removing anvils, flattening the dimple, charging and reinstalling the anvils on 2000 primers.
It's even worse than that. I've found that anvils don't always fit into a different cup. Since all my primers are mixed together I don't know if it's brand specific or just a little deformation from removing the anvil.
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Today's replacement cost for small pistol primers is anywhere between $0.14 (Ammoseek) and $0.28 (GB) EACH!! This cannot be sustained.

However, if it does, I'm gonna need new glasses. -OO- Big ones.
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...some joker made a batch of this stuff in crystal form and spread it on sidewalk on campus. So when people walked over it it popped and sparkled. Somebody deduced that it was an electrical short in the ground and called a crew to dig up the road.

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I have downloaded this manual and others, have bought copies of Uncle Fester's Home Workshop Explosives, the Anarchist Cook Book etc and my Federal security clearance to enter unguarded international ports is still with me.

Working in a refinery they sometimes check you lunch box when entering. One thing they say they look for is explosives. That is really funny to me. I am going in to work on a big bomb, pressure vessels, pyrophoric chemicals, explosive vapors with really low flashpoints, acids, caustics, pressure vessels. The valves are right there and open just like a water spigot after you remove the plug with you channel locks. Now thats funny right there. There are tons of rules and procedures in placed to try to keep people from blowing the place up and they search you for explosives. Now thats funny right there.

Like my brother said, when they first started the all the background check deals after 911. Hey, they know where we have have been for the last 30 some years, mostly working in these things and we haven't blown one up, yet.
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Back in the late 50's there was a product called atom pearls. They were
a little bit bigger than BB's and when you thru them on cement they
would make a pretty good bang. Used to throw them against the black
board in school when the teacher wasn't looking. Went to the roller
skating rink and throw a whole box out on the floor and sometimes,
the bang would knock them off there skates..... Good Times
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...If I had to make my own, I'd likely find a more practical hobby.
When I was younger, I used to make up all kinds of homemade Boomers!

When I got older, there were a few times that I still had the urge to make up a few homemade Boomers!

Eventually, I got the same results though, and came to the conclusion that I was still just as stupid as before and that Guardian Angles do really exist!

I no longer have an urge to mess with homemade stuff like that.

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And I can hear the black choppers on their way, too!
My wife's convinced we'll end up on the new some day. :-)
How many arms and rounds equal an 'arsenal'? I can't remember.
Location, location, location. Depends on where you live, if Massachusetts then 2, if Texas then what, 40?.
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