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Old 12-10-2020, 10:09 AM
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Just checked bass pro/cabelas Canada website , every primer made is available of course no delivery out of the country.
now they are made in the usa why cant you bye them here?
I am really getting pissed off , I still believe it is part of the plan to do you know what (cant say not allowed ) involves guns.
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But, how much are they in Canada and are there limits to quantity? They have some pretty hefty taxes there.
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Many business enter into contracts to supply certain distributors with x amount of product at a certain number of times per year. The distributors also agree to purchase x number of product. Are you suggesting those supply contracts should be disallowed due to your not being prepared?
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I've heard that most if not all primers made in the USA currently are going into new ammunition manufacture, which would be more profitable and is in very high demand.

Yes, some sites are asking stupid high prices for primers, but when compared to the ten's of thousands of dollars that I've spent for partying over my lifetime, that I have nothing to show for except a few million hangovers, their ridiculous cost seems more reasonable.

...still ain't gonna buy any though!
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They may have them in stock today, but they wont be on the shelves for very long. There is no limit to how much you can buy up here. I've got lots of them so I'm ok. Target grade .22LR ammunition is in short supply in AO. Powder and bullets seem to be plentiful. I feel for you folks down there.
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Noticed that recently myself while searching...vendor said no US shipping....and you can't drive across the border to buy them..I just paid $200 for 1000 cci #41s..but they will last me a long time. .

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Canada has no guns, therefore, primers/powder/ammo are of plenty there.
We have all the guns in the USA, but no primers/powder/ammo.

But don`t worry, our guns will be completely inoperable soon.
The suits here in the USA did it smarter, no ammo, guns are useless.

Alot to be said for that. Maybe we will be less complacent next time.
Oh wait, there wont be a next time. Hell is already here for the USA.
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Many business enter into contracts to supply certain distributors with x amount of product at a certain number of times per year. The distributors also agree to purchase x number of product. Are you suggesting those supply contracts should be disallowed due to your not being prepared?
Yes, that is what many of the unprepared would like to happen. Blame the manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, retailers, scalper, gougers, and everyone else for their inability to buy primers last year when retailers were having sales and manufacturers were running rebates.
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Papow, it is said that there are trillions of rounds in private hands. Even though some latecomers are having trouble finding ammo, I doubt that most serious shooters will lack sufficient fodder for their weapons when the need arises.
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Here is a thought. Ammo is hard to find, shoot less or shoot slower (as in bolt action vs semi). Years ago (post ww2), you could buy a box of 20 thirty-thirty shells and not use it up for several years. A couple to sight in and a couple to put down a deer. Next year, the same. And the next.
The continuous need to shoot up several hundred rounds per weekend is a recent thing.
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Canada has no guns, therefore, primers/powder/ammo are of plenty there.
We have all the guns in the USA, but no primers/powder/ammo.

But don`t worry, our guns will be completely inoperable soon.
The suits here in the USA did it smarter, no ammo, guns are useless.

Alot to be said for that. Maybe we will be less complacent next time.
Oh wait, there wont be a next time. Hell is already here for the USA.
There Are plenty of guns in Canada. Not like here but then our population is 10x theirs too.
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Canada has no guns, therefore, primers/powder/ammo are of plenty there.
We have all the guns in the USA, but no primers/powder/ammo.

But don`t worry, our guns will be completely inoperable soon.
The suits here in the USA did it smarter, no ammo, guns are useless.

Alot to be said for that. Maybe we will be less complacent next time.
Oh wait, there wont be a next time. Hell is already here for the USA.
It's much easier to pass ammo control laws , no 2A protection afforded ammo . You have the right to keep and bear ARMS ...it doesn't say a thing about ammo .
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I've noticed many, many more rumors and "I read" posts on forums dealing with lack of components. Most are illogical and make no sense. I tend to think ammo factories are working at capacity and there are more than willing to sell as much as possible. I don't believe any are using "tactics" to raise prices, I don't believe any are switching from component to finished ammo, and I don't believe any are "hoarding/hiding" ammo in a warehouse somewhere secret. The main part of the shortages are because "I gotta get mine before someone else buys it all" thinking and panic, over buying...
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Here is a thought. Ammo is hard to find, shoot less or shoot slower (as in bolt action vs semi). Years ago (post ww2), you could buy a box of 20 thirty-thirty shells and not use it up for several years. A couple to sight in and a couple to put down a deer. Next year, the same. And the next.
The continuous need to shoot up several hundred rounds per weekend is a recent thing.
...if target shooting is your main gun hobby for 45 years. As I obtained different types of guns, I shot more semis. But that was ok because I loaded my own. I've kept a stock of components, I've got enough powder to last a LONG time. But I just developed a need for small rifle primers recently when I built two ARs, which is bad timing. I know that if SR primers become available again, I'm going to stock up. I've got enough of everything else to last a while. I guess I'll concentrate my shooting more on revolvers and bolt guns for a while.
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It's much easier to pass ammo control laws , no 2A protection afforded ammo . You have the right to keep and bear ARMS ...it doesn't say a thing about ammo .
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It's called infringing. And it does say something about that.
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But, how much are they in Canada and are there limits to quantity? They have some pretty hefty taxes there.
The American dollar is worth .79 cents in Canada
doesn't really matter you cant buy from there unless you have relatives or friends visiting, bye the way that equation is out of the question with all the restrictions
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doesn't really matter you cant buy from there unless you have relatives or friends visiting, bye the way that equation is out of the question with all the restrictions
You got that backwards.

Actually $1 US = $1.29 CAN.
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You got that backwards.

Actually $1 US = $1.29 CAN.
So for only $775,000 and change I could become a Canadian millionaire?
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CCI CEO just posted a video on youtube explaining what's happening....
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So for only $775,000 and change I could become a Canadian millionaire?
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It's much easier to pass ammo control laws , no 2A protection afforded ammo . You have the right to keep and bear ARMS ...it doesn't say a thing about ammo .
Think about it !
Bill Ruger proposed banning high capacity magazines. His dream could easily come true within the next few years.

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Bill
Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to
outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms
(which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to
prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete,
and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of
defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The
large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes
the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could
prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these
objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by
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with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by
saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and, "I
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Noticed that recently myself while searching...vendor said no US shipping....and you can't drive across the border to buy them..I just paid $200 for 1000 cci #41s..but they will last me a long time. .

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Not to rub your noses in it, but I just purchased 1000 lrg. pistol primers (CCI) for $50. We have no shortage of primers and indeed, most components, since we don't have your population nor as many people into reloading it seems to me. I don't think that it's new stock. I'd be inclined to think that most gun stores/retailers have to place minimum orders of powders, projectiles, and primers to warrant shipment and so ended up with healthy stockpiles of each.
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You’re learning something some of us have learned in previous eras. Gun owners,shooters and reloaders can be a panicky bunch! When this passes,and it will,slowly stock up on what you need at normal prices and when this happens again,you can gloat ;-) and sympathize.
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Think about it !
Thats pretty much what i said without saying it. And you are exactly right.
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Bill Ruger proposed banning high capacity magazines. His dream could easily come true within the next few years.

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For some reason he is still a darling of gun owners to this day. He got a lot of good coverage from the NRA... after he donated a million dollars.

I have nothing but disdain for folks like that. Ol' Bill has long since passed on to his eternal reward, but his magazine banning zeal has inspired countless followers.

I'll stop now.
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Not to rub your noses in it, but I just purchased 1000 lrg. pistol primers (CCI) for $50. We have no shortage of primers and indeed, most components, since we don't have your population nor as many people into reloading it seems to me. I don't think that it's new stock. I'd be inclined to think that most gun stores/retailers have to place minimum orders of powders, projectiles, and primers to warrant shipment and so ended up with healthy stockpiles of each.
Is there a licensing requirement to buy components? Online I have seen a request for PAL number for purchasing components from Canadian stores.

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You’re learning something some of us have learned in previous eras. Gun owners,shooters and reloaders can be a panicky bunch! When this passes,and it will,slowly stock up on what you need at normal prices and when this happens again,you can gloat ;-) and sympathize.
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The PAL is a "Possession and Acquisition" Licence. If you dont have one-NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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"So one cannot just drive across the border and buy components.."

Apparently you are not aware that the Border has been closed since March, and no, a Canadian retailer wont sell you ammunition or components without a PAL.
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Apparently you are not aware that the Border has been closed since March, and no, a Canadian retailer wont sell you ammunition or components without a PAL.
I knew that the border has been closed, and stated so in an earlier post. I did not know about the PAL...

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Bill Ruger proposed banning high capacity magazines. His dream could easily come true within the next few years.

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Bill
Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to
outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms
(which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to
prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete,
and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of
defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The
large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes
the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could
prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these
objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by
"The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview
with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by
saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and, "I
never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"

Think how much fun I would have shooting my two 9mm machineguns (WW2 British Lanchester Mk. 1* and my Uzi) with 10-round magazines. ****!
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And he sure made plenty of money off from those mags, even AFTER he made that statement. In my own personal opinion, Bill Ruger was a hypocrite. A gun person such as him is no friend to the rest of us gun owners.
I have quite a few 30 round mini14 magazines with Mr. Ruger’s name stamped on them. I’d say that was hypocrisy at it’s finest.
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There are a number of people Hoarding primers, ammo, etc. I have seen members on this forum stating they had 55,000 primers. Now, I think any one of us would probably have enough supplies and factory ammo to last us a year or two. Depending on the level of competition for most of us that means probably around 3,000 to 5,000 per year. I really don't think we need a 10-11 year supply at the expense of hundreds of other members and new gun buyers. Creating a shortage and inflation isn't a nice thing to do.
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There are a number of people Hoarding primers, ammo, etc. I have seen members on this forum stating they had 55,000 primers. Now, I think any one of us would probably have enough supplies and factory ammo to last us a year or two. Depending on the level of competition for most of us that means probably around 3,000 to 5,000 per year. I really don't think we need a 10-11 year supply at the expense of hundreds of other members and new gun buyers. Creating a shortage and inflation isn't a nice thing to do.
Don't think new gun buyers are reloading en masse ... they're not the problem. The rest of us should already have our stash. Factory ammo; yes, they are part of the shortage. The rest of should already have our stash.

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